Thanks Apple...

[Coligny]

Finally new powermac...

USB 2.0 only...
No Sata 3...
Poweruse: 1200 watt...

Are they really trying NOT to sell them ? I won't be able to wait anymore... but damn... they really need to make a destkop machine between the Mini and the Macpro that is not an IMac... It's grotesque to spend that much for something like this... It's like they were aiming at university clusters only... (who would prefer the Macserve anyway)

Steve stop this crap... remove the bondage gear from the IPad... Make stuff that people wants to USE, not just for people who wants to showoff...

[Taro Toporific]

Finally new powermac...
USB 2.0 only...
No Sata 3...
Poweruse: 1200 watt...
Are they really trying NOT to sell them?

[floatl][/floatl]
Dude, your household is obscenely wealthy---You can fucking afford it.

Just order the 12-core option, install a multi-terabyte HD RAID array and the proper IO interfaces you want in the new powermac's empty slots.
She-e-e-it.
A full custom new powermac will still cost less than the first "pro" Mac I bought a decade ago.

[FG Lurker]

Build yourself a hackintosh and save a ton of money. You seem to have the free time for it and your self-described "inquisitive idiot" tag means you should enjoy doing it. It won't look as nice but if you're not buying it to show off then that doesn't matter, right?

[Coligny]

Build yourself a hackintosh and save a ton of money. You seem to have the free time for it and your self-described "inquisitive idiot" tag means you should enjoy doing it. It won't look as nice but if you're not buying it to show off then that doesn't matter, right?

As much as I enjoy tinkering with linux/free/open/netBSD... and the PC on the right... using windows XYZ blow more often than not... Even got a 'non genuine' warning yesterday... on a genuine install... but no surprise here, already went through this kind of insult with XP...
The file server 6Tb(R5)+1.5Tb(R6) is like a blow up doll trying to mate with a porcupine... I change quite often the main OS and is always surprised at how well the software raid recover from any situation (even behind a VM ware appliance)

But... The Mac is the no-tinker zone. It's my 99.99 availability machine for the daily life... It's not the machine that is important, it's the service that it offers... so a hackintosh... beside the limited interest of mimicking with random parts what apple sell properly have the huge damocles spear of not allowing system upgrade properly... Yeah I have a plenty time, but no more plenty stomach for more ulcers

WIn/linux machine unavailable... I can't acces my collection of Troma movies anymore... Mac down... I can't access my life anymore...

As for the 12 core opshiuns... the PC got a Proutium I7 shmallbarzuk with 'A-Plenty-Core'(tm) Hopefully there is an energysaving mode to autothrottle down when not used (35 watt down to 5) because... even watching 15 porn movies at the same time it don't break a sweat... (but yeah... on a side note... with VMWare... the more core the better... been doing this kind of things since virtual PC on a wallstreet powerbook... the only limit these day is for directX applications as the emulated video card only get a limited amount of video ram)

PS... BTW... Taro... you'ze should know that you don't become rich by wasting muney... (still wondering if it's the gud time to buy BP shares BTW...)

[Mooboy]

Its funny that you mentioned Apple not having an option between mac mini and behemoth. I was going to buy a mac for the design position at my work and was amazed there wasn't a decently priced powermac option. Will probably end up buying an imac but really didn't want one. Might be my chance to convince them to just use another pc. CS5 works with windows so the only reason we would be using a mac at all is because most "creative" types prefer it.

[Christoff]

I do 3d modeling and video production, that being said, given the current options, i would just go for a 27' core i7 quad core iMac. they really have forgotten who their base is and are trying to converge on all markets at teh same time leaving all of their products to suffer.

[SBS]

USB 2.0 only...

You had me going there for a second thinking they had dropped FW, but it does have four 800 ports, 2 front 2 back.

[FG Lurker]

You had me going there for a second thinking they had dropped FW, but it does have four 800 ports, 2 front 2 back.

I think it is more the lack of USB 3 and eSATA ports that Coligny is unhappy about. USB3 is probably missing because Intel still hasn't bothered to include support in their chipsets but there is really no reason at all to not put an eSATA port or two on there. You'd think in a $5k computer Apple could afford a USB3 chipset too for that matter.

They'll still sell just as many of course, gotta love having no competitors.

[Doctor Stop]

Poweruse: 1200 watt...

It's hot and so are the first generation iPod nanos that Apple Japan refuses to recall.

[Taro Toporific]

...BTW... Taro... you'ze should know that you don't become rich by wasting muney...

I don't have any money to waste on toys, but if my iMac died today I would buy the cheapest quad-core, Mac Xserve with with as many T-Bytes of SATA Apple Drive Modules that I could afford.



The Xserve has super low power consumption, ](Alternatively, I might buy a refurbed 17" MacBook Pro
if Immigration was trying to deport me yet again.)[/align]

[Yokohammer]

I don't have any money to waste on toys, but if my iMac died today I would buy the cheapest quad-core, Mac Xserve

That would be 338,800 JPY here. I think that's a pretty good deal.

Say, speaking of power consumption, does anyone here use a UPS to power their Mac? You need a pretty big (and expensive) one to run a Powermac, display, etc.

Any thoughts or experiences?
(New thread?)

[Coligny]

That would be 338,800 JPY here. I think that's a pretty good deal.

Say, speaking of power consumption, does anyone here use a UPS to power their Mac? You need a pretty big (and expensive) one to run a Powermac, display, etc.

Any thoughts or experiences?
(New thread?)

No experience at home for the biggies, just a small one to preserve basic network infrastructure... But at hospital, anything critical is behind an Omron UPS... If you have the place... go flywheel...

[FG Lurker]

I don't have any money to waste on toys, but if my iMac died today I would buy the cheapest quad-core, Mac Xserve with with as many T-Bytes of SATA Apple Drive Modules that I could afford.

If it's as loud as a typical 1U server then make sure you get some ear plugs to go with it...

[Edit: Just checked the price on the Apple Japan store and holy shit what a scam! Someone should tell Apple that the yen/dollar rate is at 86, not 110. )

[Yokohammer]

No experience at home for the biggies, just a small one to preserve basic network infrastructure... But at hospital, anything critical is behind an Omron UPS... If you have the place... go flywheel...

Flywheel!!?
That's so high-tech I had to look it up!

Next you'll be telling me I can wander down to Yodobashi and pick up a high-tensile carbon-fiber flywheel with non-contact maintenance-free magnetic bearings type UPS for a few man!

Anyway, I assume that when you say you use a small UPS (sometimes pronounced "oops!") to "preserve basic network infrastructure" you mean that you're using it to power your cable/optical modem and Airport Extreme unit (or whatever wi-fi you use) so you have network access if there's a power outage?

If so, I've been thinking along those lines. We have "hikari denwa" on our optical line, and those die too if the power goes down unless there's a UPS involved.

QUESTION: I have a small APC UPS that I bought a few years ago and haven't used. Do those lead-acid batteries die on the shelf, or do you have to use 'em? In other words, the battery is supposed to be replaced after a year, but if I haven't used the thing, am I good for a year or is the battery not to be trusted?

[Coligny]

Flywheel!!?
That's so high-tech I had to look it up!

Overkill, maybe... hightech !!?? sryuzly... it's been around since... before Greji...

Anyway, I assume that when you say you use a small UPS (sometimes pronounced "oops!") to "preserve basic network infrastructure" you mean that you're using it to power your cable/optical modem and Airport Extreme unit (or whatever wi-fi you use) so you have network access if there's a power outage?

Yes, absolutely. Fax+modem+router-wifi

Last typhoon, it gave me 5-6 hours of online time before having to start the power generators. Next time certainly more since I dumped the managed cisco switch (powerhog more than 90W) for one 'green' basic buffalo (less than 10W).


The file servers are unprotected... because, they just don't have that much value, hardware is prehistorical, data... between raid, journalling and the fact that it's mostly bad pron and video DVD back up... I really don't care...

QUESTION: I have a small APC UPS that I bought a few years ago and haven't used. Do those lead-acid batteries die on the shelf, or do you have to use 'em?

Unused -> discharge -> sulfation -> fooked

[Yokohammer]

Unused -> discharge -> sulfation -> fooked

OK, thanks. I'll just buy a new one.

Probably not flywheel ...

ADDITIONAL QUESTION: What's the VA rating of the one you're using?

[Greji]

Overkill, maybe... hightech !!?? sryuzly... it's been around since... before Greji...

Shitsurei. I was 16 when electricity came in, so I ain't that old.

[SBS]

[Edit: Just checked the price on the Apple Japan store and holy shit what a scam! Someone should tell Apple that the yen/dollar rate is at 86, not 110. )

They've gotten better, though the xserve is still jacked up in price. About a year ago, the mac pro cost an additional $1000US if bought in Japan. Now there is only about $200 premium.

I have a dual-core (not dual CPU - last revision) PowerMac g5 with a blown video card. Because of the jacking up of price (and rarity), used mac parts in japan are absolutely ridiculous. In my search for video cards, I've found that the AGP Radeon 9000 from the MDD G4s circa 2001 are going for a freaking man. G5 cards closer 4 man

[Coligny]

OK, thanks. I'll just buy a new one.

Probably not flywheel ...

ADDITIONAL QUESTION: What's the VA rating of the one you're using?

OMRON POWLI BX35F
350 VA/ 210 W
Replaceable battery module.
Small form factor
USB Only (XP/2000, OSX 10.3)
Cold start-able (means you can start the devices and UPS even if they were off when power was lost)
Designed to give +5 minutes at least for desktop systems to allow proper shutdown.


Originally boughted for my daughter baby monitor...

[Yokohammer]

OMRON POWLI BX35F, 350 VA/ 210 W

Thanks again Coligny.
Much appreciated.

(I really like the slim, flat form factor ... nice. And the 4~5 year battery life!).