This board has crossed a line.

[Alcazar]

I saw the site BlackTokyo too, and I was surprised to see many threads about purely about race, nothing else. Full of wild conspiracies and racial theorising, it was interesting. Some of the people on that site were so paranoid and bitter, with topics along the line of 'Are asians the new honorary whites' etc.

However, that particular thread made me realise some things about the history of Caucasians in North America, in that the presence of Black people served to unite the disparate Europeans in America together as being just 'white' instead of them still being considered French, British, Irish, German, Scandinavians, Italians, etc. Without black people, North American Caucasian society might have turned out very different, with examples of ethno-separatism such as the Quebec situation being more common....

So I still thought it was useful to read.


Alcazar

[kotatsuneko]

what does the term "cracker" mean, or relate to? just wondering as chris rock's chara in jay and silent bob strikes back used it..

[Crispy]

A white guy, usually from midwestern stock (like me).

[devicenull]

I saw the site BlackTokyo too, and I was surprised to see many threads about purely about race, nothing else. Full of wild conspiracies and racial theorising, it was interesting. Some of the people on that site were so paranoid and bitter, with topics along the line of 'Are asians the new honorary whites' etc.

However, that particular thread made me realise some things about the history of Caucasians in North America, in that the presence of Black people served to unite the disparate Europeans in America together as being just 'white' instead of them still being considered French, British, Irish, German, Scandinavians, Italians, etc. Without black people, North American Caucasian society might have turned out very different, with examples of ethno-separatism such as the Quebec situation being more common....

So I still thought it was useful to read.


Alcazar

haha, i had to take a peek to see what all the laughing was about...wow. funny as hell *woud look again* award winner. whitey this, whitey that... i love this shit

[jim katta]

Amazing. I haven't used one racist word here, and just because "I'm" black, and somewhere out in the vast internet some black site uses racist terms you somehow connect that to "me"?? Okay, give me a sec to google some kkk websites and allow me to connect "you" to "them" and your life philosophy. Gai, where do you get your leaps in logic?

Anyway, this is the second time you've brought up this site BlackTokyo in regards to me (a site I know nothing about) and in a way it continues to show your racial attitudes. For some reason, because I'm black, you seem to think that I fall in lock step with some Black site, Al Sharpton, the ghetto, public education, and any other random negative thing you choose to associate with American blacks. The emperor has no clothes. You reveal your racist attitude in your narrow approach to me and my existence on this bbs.

Personally, I detest black racists who use words like whitey, cracker, etc. just as much as I detest white racists such as yourself who use racist terms against all people of color. By the way, has anyone here noticed that Gai HAS NOT denied using racist epithets? That's because he can't. Further, he knows it's an essentially indefensible position, which is why he attempts to shift the discussion "away" from his right to use racist terms here. If this site was called Fucked Aryan Brotherhood, I think you'd fit right in. But since it's called Fucked Gaijin, I think the last thing that should be coming out of your mouth is racist jargon.

PS: Jim, had I met you I would have told you exactly what I think of you and waited to see what you tried. Believe me, if you raised a finger you would have been pounded down.

Considering how upset your "meet me in bryant park" post sounded, I don't think you would have been so calm. I think I could have simply rebutted your statements and "your" crazy ass would have tried something. Upon which, you would have been properly rewarded. You've got great technique here: one minute you're a raving 'I'll kick anyone's ass' madman, the next you're a sensitive intellectual. Yeah, you are a winner -- not crazy at all.

Also, tell me what is wrong with racism.

Ask the millions of Jewish victims who overcame German racism to make it to America years ago this question. They are still around in New York City and I'm sure they'd be glad to enlighten you, genius.

Oh, and when addressing them, be sure to call them any Jewish epithets you can think of, making sure that they know you're joking, I'm sure they'll get a kick out of it.

[jim katta]

To pre-empt any "brotherhood" claims, let it be stated for the record that "yes" I think NWA is a complete racist idiot as well.











And it appears, from his writing, that he's about as educated as Gai is. Makes sense that you two guys are scholars.

[Caustic Saint]

Jim, I'm curious as to whether or not you'd think this is funny. (requires Windows Media Player)

I'm not baiting you. Call it a litmus test of sorts.

[maraboutslim]

Rather than a moderator who can ban people or delete posts, how about adding another topic to the forum and call it "off topic" or "loser" or something like that. Then give a few moderators the power to move first posts from gaijin ghetto or news or tech or whatever, into the "off topic" topic. That way you aren't totally censoring people, but you are keeping their trash from crowding up the regular areas with stupid posts. Yes, they could still post stupid comments within decent threads, but there they would be drowned out by other more mature comments (one hopes) .

This strategy has worked well on some other forums I've participated on.

-Slim

[ramchop]

Jokes. A huge proportion of them are along the lines of generalisations which group people together. Whether it be race, nationality, sex, religion, job.... Doesn't matter who you stick in the firing line, someone has to be the target or it's not funny.

Tell us a funny joke JK, but be careful not to hurt anyone's feelings.

[hanabi]

Two things:

1) Malcontents will change the world. So I see nothing wrong with Jim making criticisms. It's the very nature of this forum, isn't it?

2) Everyone's a racist of some sort, but some people are just better at hiding it. Before you go on protesting "I'm not," let me say, "Yes, you too." The definition includes "discriminatory or abusive behavior." So even if your intent was not to be abusive, you're still discriminating. I'd like everyone to just accept this about themselves and try to use their powers for good instead of evil.

Since most of you are now living in a country where you are in the ethnic minority, I don't think it should be necessary to explain why jokes against minorities are a touchier subject than jokes against people in the majority. For a lot of the people on Black Tokyo (not that I've even been to that site), I assume that they've had to live with that difference all their lives. So I'd forgive them for letting off steam, the way a lot of you do in this very forum.

[Gaisaradatsuraku!]

Considering how upset your "meet me in bryant park" post sounded, I don't think you would have been so calm. I think I could have simply rebutted your statements and "your" crazy ass would have tried something. Upon which, you would have been properly rewarded.

My offer to meet up still stands Jimbo. And if you bring gun, just make sure to file the sight off the front of the barrel. That way it will hurt a lot less when I stick it up your moronic ass.

Also, tell me what is wrong with racism.

Ask the millions of Jewish victims who overcame German racism to make it to America years ago this question. They are still around in New York City and I'm sure they'd be glad to enlighten you, genius.

Now we are getting somewhere. Jews were victims of racists so since people are racist against you, you must also be a victim. Poor, poor Jimbo and his long suffering people. In your pointly little mind you probably can't distinguish between what you have experienced and what REAL victims have suffered.

In addition, the above shows how twisted your little mind has become by the liberals in the US who pander to your guilt trip. Guess what? I am not a supporter of that nonsense. When I think about the holocaust, I don't say, "oh dear, those poor victims of racism." I think, "how terrible they were murdered in that heartless fashion." Murder is the issue in the holocaust Jim. You cannot equate this with being called a name. Sticks and stones Jim.

And don't get me started about slavery. Your life has been improved incredibly because you are living in America. If you were in Africa you would be living in real squalor, with NO health care, fighting civil wars and being victimized by crime. Alex Haley and that Kunta Kinte nonsense has warped the minds of the blacks in this country. So many seem to believe that they were dragged here from some Shangrala. No!

They were slaves long before they got here. It's a fact Jim.

[Gaisaradatsuraku!]

In fact, your lives have been so measurably improved that I think I, as a cracker, deserve reparations from you. You should pay me because my cracker ancestors, having brought your ancestors here, greatly improved your standard of living.

All white Americans should be paid reparations by all black Americans

Of course this is crazy. So is Jesse and the other nimrods who are pushing this reparations nonsense.

[ramchop]

Since most of you are now living in a country where you are in the ethnic minority, I don't think it should be necessary to explain why jokes against minorities are a touchier subject than jokes against people in the majority.

Now that I don't get. So a joke at the expense of a Japanese told in Japan is OK, but if you tell that same joke in America it's not? Or if you change the target from Japanese to Gaijin and tell that same joke it's not funny anymore?

I've seen the same sheep joke mocking Aussies, Welsh, Scottish and Kiwis. Doesn't matter who the target is, it's still funny. But you can change your nationality, you can't change the colour of your skin... is that the point I'm missing?

We could change all politically insensitive jokes so they target the complete scum of the earth (e.g. towtruck drivers). Or we could all grow thicker skins and enjoy our differences.

[Caustic Saint]

I've seen the same sheep joke mocking Aussies, Welsh, Scottish and Kiwis. Doesn't matter who the target is, it's still funny. But you can change your nationality, you can't change the colour of your skin... is that the point I'm missing?

Is that the one about the velcro gloves?

[hanabi]

Now that I don't get. So a joke at the expense of a Japanese told in Japan is OK, but if you tell that same joke in America it's not? Or if you change the target from Japanese to Gaijin and tell that same joke it's not funny anymore?

I chose my words very carefully, so don't jump to conclusions. I didn't say it was okay. I said that it was not as touchy a subject. It's all politics.

[japslapper]

I've seen the same sheep joke mocking Aussies, Welsh, Scottish and Kiwis. Doesn't matter who the target is, it's still funny.

I am welsh and have quite a few girlfriends....does that make me a sheppard? .....

[Alcazar]

I've seen the same sheep joke mocking Aussies, Welsh, Scottish and Kiwis. Doesn't matter who the target is, it's still funny.

I am welsh and have quite a few girlfriends....does that make me a sheppard? .....

Ha Ha, that's pretty original!! Poor New Zealanders who get alot of stupid sheep jokes directed at them should use your line too!

Let's not start on the benefits of lamb......but you like mutton right? Kidding!!

Alcazar

[jim katta]

This is fantastic, I love when I don't have to illustrate the ironic, moronic stupidity of others, but rather just watch them do the work for me. Some how, amazingly, I have simultaneously become an uber-liberal who hates the white man AND an uncle tom selling out the black man. Hahahaahaha! Oh wow, this is actually becoming pretty entertaining. You guys should get together and form a comedy team and go on tour in the deep south.

NWA, dude, you're so ass-backwards, you pretty much justify every wild stereotype Gai puts out there. Keep up the good work.

Gai, I love your black slavery versus jewish holocaust rant. Boy that was worthy of a community college thesis paper. You have never sounded more like a Grand Dragon of the KKK than in that last post. Too bad your blood is sullied with impure non-white blood, otherwise I'm sure they'd recruit you hard. Again, you dodged the issue, let's hear you 'jokingly' use some Jewish racial epithets. Huh... Hello...? I can't heeeear you... In fact, if you are consistent enough in your rant to actually use some Jewish epithets, to go along with the asian/black/hispanic epithets you've used on this site repeatedly, I'll call it a day and leave you alone. I bet you're wondering why I say this. Don't wonder, tough guy, let's just see if you have the balls to do it. Remember, you said they were "just words," so let's hear what you have to say 'jokingly' about my Jewish friends. And yes, they are my friends.

As for meeting you Gai, uh, I mean Scarface, what's this you're talking about a gun? Are you a child? I "know" you're not a gangster; gangsters don't type long love letters on internet forums. I bet that scar on your face is pulsating red with anger and self-loathing right now. I have to admit, I was tempted to actually meet you, but the more I read your posts, the more I realized that you're not even someone I'd allow to be an intern, much less clean my office at night. Basically, you're not what I'd consider to be man, so giving you the respect of a man would be inappropriate. You are a child. You probably hate your job, hate your life, hence, you hate anyone who disagrees with you...intensely. So giving you the attention and respect of actually meeting you would be giving you more credit than you deserve. I suggest you utilize this universal healthcare that "all americans have" and enter therapy. Honestly, you've got some deep seeded problems that transcend race, japan, or anything on this site. Your ex-wife was right, your attitude needs fixing. Good luck my friend, you need it.

[Big Booger]

Since most of you are now living in a country where you are in the ethnic minority, I don't think it should be necessary to explain why jokes against minorities are a touchier subject than jokes against people in the majority. For a lot of the people on Black Tokyo (not that I've even been to that site), I assume that they've had to live with that difference all their lives. So I'd forgive them for letting off steam, the way a lot of you do in this very forum.

That is the most assinine statement I have read yet.. other than the morons who posted shit on here to begin with.

That's like saying, you can't call me names because I am little minority and that would be touchy, but I can crack at you all I like because you are a majority.. and it won't be as touchy..

Sir you get the BESTEST BULLSHITER award:

[GargoyleTS]

Alright kiddies, a word on the white thing. They're called Blonde jokes. They're called Polock jokes. They are indeed called Jew jokes. They're called Priest, Minister and Rabbi jokes. They are in fact fact many cruel and callous jokes. I get a fax every day full of jokes and in the average week I get about 8 jokes that have changed from Blonde or Polock or what have to you to "Yuppie" cause we know they have no feelings...but those are white (predominately) too. Racism exists. In the FG who is beat down by bosozoku. In the black man who is given the job on the police force due soley to affirmative action. "But that's a positive thing!" you say, and you are wrong. If he was most qualified to get the job it wouldn't be racism. People getting things simply because of their race is not right either, but no one here is bitching about that. I am part American Indian, registered and with enough of a percentage (they actually calculate it!) to get benefits. I have done so exactly 1 time and it was a matter of life and death (and also my mothers choice, not mine). I'm in college right now and could really use the extra cash, but I don't. Its not right. No money can make up for dead ancestors. I wish a lot of the black people (what they choose to be called here) would understand that and stop using welfare like its the governments way of making reparations. Thanks to that same affirmative action law that gets minorities jobs ahead of better qualified people based on RACE these people could have jobs. But they pull the Korean-family-networking scam on welfare. (and yeah, that was racist...to anyone who hasn't worked intimately with Korean businesses in the US) 3 generations living in 1 house, no one has a job, but every adult has a less than 2 year-old car??? If thats not scamming, I don't know what is! Anyways, yeah, racism (in all its infinite forms) is out there and you can't do a thing to stop it. I know, it sucks, but until we are all one race, it will continue.

[GargoyleTS]

For the mud-slingers and the sh*t-flingers,
here for you is the Flame to End All Flames (cause really, I couldn't say it any better myself)

TO: Jim Katta, NWA_Japan_BSD, Gaisaragatsuraku, and anyone I may have missed...

You swine. You vulgar little maggot. You worthless bag of filth. As we say in Texas. I'll bet you couldn't pour piss out of a boot with instructions on the heel. You are a canker. A sore that won't go away. I would rather kiss a lawyer than be seen with you.

You're a putrescent mass, a walking vomit. You are a spineless little worm deserving nothing but the profoundest contempt. You are a jerk, a cad, a weasel. Your life is a monument to stupidity. You are a stench, a revulsion, a big suck on a sour lemon.

You are a bleating foal, a curdled staggering mutant dwarf smeared richly with the effluvia and offal accompanying your alleged birth into this world. An insensate, blinking calf, meaningful to nobody, abandoned by the puke-drooling, giggling beasts who sired you and then killed themselfs in recognition of what they had done.

I will never get over the embarrassment of belonging to the same species as you. You are a monster, an ogre, a malformity. I barf at the very thought of you. You have all the appeal of a paper cut. Lepers avoid you. You are vile, worthless, less than nothing. You are a weed, a fungus, the dregs of this earth. And did I mention you smell?

Try to edit your responses of unnecessary material before attempting to impress us with your insight. The evidence that you are a nincompoop will still be available to readers, but they will be able to access it more rapidly.

You snail-skulled little rabbit. Would that a hawk pick you up, drive its beak into your brain, and upon finding it rancid set you loose to fly briefly before spattering the ocean rocks with the frothy pink shame of your ignoble blood. May you ckoke on the queasy, convulsing nausea of your own trite, foolish beliefs.

You are weary, stale, flat and unprofitable. You are grimy, squalid, nasty and profane. You are foul and disgusting. You're a fool, an ignoramus. Monkeys look down on you. Even sheep won't have sex with you. You are unreservedly pathetic, starved for attention, and lost in a land that reality forgot.

And what meaning do you expect your delusionally self-important statements of unknowing, inexperienced opinion to have with us? What fantasy do you hold that you would believe that your tiny-fisted tantrums would have more weight than that of a leprous desert rat, spinning rabidly in a circle, waiting for the bite of the snake?

You are a waste of flesh. You have no rhythm. You are ridiculous and obnoxious. You are the moral equivalent of a leech. You are a living emptiness, a meaningless void. You are sour and senile. You are a disease, you puerile one-handed slack-jawed drooling meatslapper.

On a good day you're a half-wit. You remind me of drool. You are deficient in all that lends character. You have the personality of wallpaper. You are dank and filthy. You are asinine and benighted. You are the source of all unpleasantness. You spread misery and sorrow wherever you go.

You smarmy lagerlout git. You bloody woofter sod. Bugger off, pillock. You grotty wanking oik artless base-court apple-john. You clouted boggish foot-licking twit. You dankish clack-dish plonker. You gormless crook-pated tosser. You churlish boil-brained clotpole ponce. You cockered bum-bailey poofter. You craven dewberry pisshead cockup pratting naff. You gob-kissing gleeking flap-mouthed coxcomb. You dread-bolted fobbing beef-witted clapper-clawed flirt-gill.

You are a fiend and a coward, and you have bad breath. You are degenerate, noxious and depraved. I feel debased just for knowing you exist. I despise everything about you, and I wish you would go away.

I cannot believe how incredibly stupid you are. I mean rock-hard stupid. Dehydrated-rock-hard stupid. Stupid so stupid that it goes way beyond the stupid we know into a whole different dimension of stupid. You are trans-stupid stupid. Meta-stupid. Stupid collapsed on itself so far that even the neutrons have collapsed. Stupid gotten so dense that no intellect can escape. Singularity stupid. Blazing hot mid-day sun on Mercury stupid. You emit more stupid in one second than our entire galaxy emits in a year. Quasar stupid. Your writing has to be a troll. Nothing in our universe can really be this stupid. Perhaps this is some primordial fragment from the original big bang of stupid. Some pure essence of a stupid so uncontaminated by anything else as to be beyond the laws of physics that we know. I'm sorry. I can't go on. This is an epiphany of stupid for me. After this, you may not hear from me again for a while. I don't have enough strength left to deride your ignorant questions and half baked comments about unimportant trivia, or any of the rest of this drivel. Duh.

the only thing worse than your logic is your manners. I have snipped away most of your of what you wrote, because, well... it didn't really say anything. Your attempt at constructing a creative flame was pitiful. I mean, really, stringing together a bunch of insults among a load of babbling was hardly effective... Maybe later in life, after you have learned to read, write, spell, and count, you will have more success. True, these are rudimentary skills that many of us "normal" people take for granted that everyone has an easy time of mastering. But we sometimes forget that there are "challenged" persons in this world who find these things more difficult. If I had known, that this was your case then I would have never read your post. It just wouldn't have been "right". Sort of like parking in a handicap space. I wish you the best of luck in the emotional, and social struggles that seem to be placing such a demand on you.

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Dear:

[ ] Clueless Newbie [ ] Lamer [ ] Flamer
[ ] Loser [ ] Spammer [ ] Troller
[ ] "Me too" er [ ] Pervert [ ] Geek
[ ] Freak [ ] Nerd [ ] Elvis
[ ] Racist [ ] Fed [ ] Freak
[ ] Fundamentalist [ ] Satanist [ ] Homeopath
[ ] Unbearably self-righteous person


I took exception to your recent:

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It was (check all that apply):

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[ ] Clueless [ ] Idiotic [ ] Brain-damaged
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[ ] Clueless [ ] Stupid [ ] Fundamentalist
[ ] Boring [ ] Dim [ ] Cowardly
[ ] Deceitful [ ] Demented [ ] Self-righteous
[ ] Crazy [ ] Weird [ ] Hypocritical
[ ] Loathsome [ ] Satanic [ ] Despicable
[ ] Belligerent [ ] Mind-numbing [ ] Maladroit
[ ] Much longer than any worthwhile thought of which you may be capable.



Your attention is drawn to the fact that:

[ ] You posted what should have been emailed
[ ] You obviously don't know how to read your newsgroups line
[ ] You are trying to make money on a non-commercial newsgroup
[ ] You self-righteously impose your religious beliefs on others
[ ] You self-righteously impose your racial beliefs on others
[ ] You posted a binary in a non-binaries group
[ ] You don't know which group to post in
[ ] You posted something totally uninteresting
[ ] You crossposted to *way* too many newsgroups
[ ] I don't like your tone of voice
[ ] What you posted has been done before.
[ ] Not only that, it was also done better the last time.
[ ] You quoted an *entire* post in your reply
[ ] You started a long, stupid thread
[ ] You continued spreading a long stupid thread
[ ] Your post is absurdly off topic for where you posted it
[ ] You posted a followup to crossposted robot-generated spam
[ ] You posted a "test" in a discussion group rather than in alt.test
[ ] You posted a "YOU ALL SUCK" message
[ ] You posted low-IQ flamebait
[ ] You posted a blatantly obvious troll
[ ] You followed up to a blatantly obvious troll
[ ] You said "me too" to something
[ ] You make no sense
[ ] Your sig/alias is dreadful
[ ] You must have spent your life in a skinner box to be this clueless.
[ ] You posted a phone-sex ad
[ ] You posted a stupid pyramid money making scheme
[ ] You claimed a pyramid-scheme/chain letter for money was legal
[ ] Your margin settings (or lack of) make your post unreadable. Each line
just goes on and on, not stopping at 75 characters, making it hard to read.
[ ] You posted in ELitE CaPitALs to look k0OwL
[ ] You posted a message in ALL CAPS, and you don't even own a TRS-80
[ ] Your post was FULL of RANDOM CAPS for NO APPARENT REASON
[ ] You have greatly misunderstood the purpose of this newsgroup.
[ ] You have greatly misunderstood the purpose of the Internet.
[ ] You are a loser.
[ ] This has been pointed out to you before.
[ ] You didn't do anything specific, but appear to be so generally
worthless that you are being flamed on general principles.


It is recommended that you:

[ ] Get a clue
[ ] Get a life
[ ] Go away
[ ] Grow up
[ ] Never post again
[ ] Read every newsgroup you posted to for a week
[ ] stop reading Usenet news and get a life
[ ] stop sending Email and get a life
[ ] Bust up your modem with a hammer and eat it
[ ] Have your medication adjusted
[ ] Jump into a bathtub while holding your monitor
[ ] find a volcano and throw yourself in
[ ] get a gun and shoot yourself
[ ] Actually post something relevant
[ ] Read the FAQ
[ ] stick to FidoNet and come back when you've grown up
[ ] Apologize to everybody in this newsgroup
[ ] consume excrement
[ ] consume excrement and thus expire
[ ] Post your tests to alt.test/misc.test
[ ] Put your home phone number in your ads from now on
[ ] Refrain from posting until you have a vague idea what you're doing


In Closing, I'd Like to Say:

[ ] You need to seek psychiatric help
[ ] Take your gibberish somewhere else
[ ] *plonk*
[ ] Learn how to post or get off the usenet
[ ] Most of the above
[ ] All of the above
[ ] Some of the above, not including All of the above
[X] You are so clueless that I didn't even bother filling in this form.


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P.S.:
You are hypocritical, greedy, violent, malevolent, vengeful, cowardly,
deadly, mendacious, meretricious, loathsome, despicable, belligerent,
opportunistic, barratrous, contemptible, criminal, fascistic, bigoted,
racist, sexist, avaricious, tasteless, idiotic, brain-damaged, imbecilic,
insane, arrogant, deceitful, demented, lame, self-righteous, byzantine,
conspiratorial, satanic, fraudulent, libelous, bilious, splenetic,
spastic, ignorant, clueless, illegitimate, harmful, destructive, dumb,
evasive, double-talking, devious, revisionist, narrow, manipulative,
paternalistic, fundamentalist, dogmatic, idolatrous, unethical, cultic,
diseased, suppressive, controlling, restrictive, malignant, deceptive,
dim, crazy, weird, dystopic, stifling, uncaring, plantigrade, grim,
unsympathetic, jargon-spouting, censorious, secretive, aggressive,
mind-numbing, arassive, poisonous, flagrant, self-destructive, abusive,
socially-retarded, puerile, clueless, and generally Not Good.

Do I Win?

(PPS: not one racial epithet in the whole frigging thing either)

[Shibuya Me]

Okay. I have to say what everyone
is thinking about you guys!

You have great typing skills!

[American Oyaji]

I do have to say one thing.

There are more white people than black people on welfare. Even by percentages they outnumber blacks.

Saying Black people are living on welfare is a stereotype. One you have obviously bought into. If you want to cash out of it, i've given you the info on it.

Thanks

[GargoyleTS]

AO:

Didn't mean to sound bigoted. I meant in my area (Oklahoma) since I can easily find the stats for it. According to the stats I found for 2001 2.8% of the White population of Oklahoma is on welfare Vs. 21.6% of the black population. Some would say that's just percentages and that the reality is there are more white people on welfare, and that's true. But the percentages sup[port my viewpoint. 1 in 5 black people I meet is most likely on assistance. 1 in 50 white people I meet are on assistance. But the actual odds are even wierder since in my county has 13.7% of the total whites on welfare vs 42.8% of the blacks on welfare living in it. everything else aside, my viewpoint is validated by my surroundings. Its just not applicable everywhere. Sorry if I offended you as it was not my intention. I grew up on the poor side of town (about 60% of Oklahoma City by definition) and my mom supported me and my bros on welfare for a time, back when women around couldn't make more than minimum wage, 2.15/hour unless they were a waitress or a secretary. She used that time to go to college and study accounting while working part-time and raising us on her own. I was a neighborhood kid. Living in a apartment complex in a neighborhood of aprtment complexes and being in the minority race-wise too. Had lots of friends who weren't white and saw how they lived. No different from me and mine except for skin color and food choices. I don't look down on people on welfare...unless they are obviously slacking.

Population 2001: 3,460,097 White%=76.2% Black or African American=7.6% http://quickfacts.census.gov/qfd/states/40000.html

Foodstamp/EBT Program: White=cases-73,885, persons-167,729 Black=cases-22,955, persons-56,854
http://www.okdhs.org/iopprar2002/FY2001/ar2001.htm

[Alcazar]

In America, what is the welfare like? I was only aware of mediaid and the existence of unemployment benefits that have a time limit that a person can be on welfare. I know there is a non-means tested age pension (social security) too. Is this what you guys are talking about, unemployment benefits?

In Australia, the situation is so bad due to prior leftwing goverments that 42% of the Federal Budget is direct welfare payments for a whole spectrum of 'reasons'.......that is not including health and education. Build the welfare system, and they will come.....whether they need it or not. If it is there, it becomes an option.

But Australia is less economically socialist than Western Europe by far. So what is the main part of this welfare in America? Is it subsidised food in the form of food stamps?


Alcazar

[GargoyleTS]

Welfare in America is separate from the Unemployment benenfits. It is for needy families and individuals and includes Food Stamps in the form of a special card now(which you cannot buy gas, cigs or beer/alcohol with), Housing assistance (which may include rent, electricity, gas, water and sometimes phone), and a monthly cash alotment which I heard some states are trialing a debit-card-like system in order to avoid people using that cash to buy drugs or other things with. It has a 2-5 year limit on benefits, but children (and thus their parents) can receive benefits without time limits in some states. And that limit is total. It never resets. But you can also get job skills training while on welfare. They'll even help pay for college if you wanna get a degree (in some places).

[Alcazar]

Thanks Gargoyle,

The American situation is similar to Australia in some respects. But that sounds better than in Australia in that most states have a time limit. In Australia there are no time limits but the system is getting tougher for people to qualify for welfare in some areas. There is the concept of inter-generational welfare here with cases of three generations of one family who have never worked.

They get a cash welfare payment, rent assistance, a government house they get to live in (housing trust), highly subsidised electricity, water, gas, public transport, phone, primary and secondary education, free health care, legal aid, the list goes on. That is only if you choose the total welfare lifestyle however, and the majority don't. But everyone pays for these people with high taxes. All I can say is 'Just say no to socialism'-looks good on paper, but the reality is a financial and human tragedy. Total welfare addicts are victims as much as they are users.

At least in America there is a stigma associated with welfare. I know that sounds bad, but when a society loses all vestiges of shame associated with welfare, things are seriously messed up and an 'entitlement' mentality replaces the stigma.....The work ethic dissappears when you don't actually have to work.

Alcazar

[hanabi]

That is the most assinine statement I have read yet.. other than the morons who posted shit on here to begin with.

That's like saying, you can't call me names because I am little minority and that would be touchy, but I can crack at you all I like because you are a majority.. and it won't be as touchy..

I didn't say that at all. Quit putting words in my mouth. Try to form an argument without being insulting and overusing the hyperbole, and I'll try to respond in kind.

Why is it so difficult for people to just attempt to see a side other than their own?

I am so fucking done here.

[Big Booger]

Bye,

I argued that quite well, you just can't form a comeback, and therefore you give up.

It's like being defeated in war.. you have two choices, stay and surrender or run away. You chose the later.


And I didn't put words in your mouth, if you read the post, and I am assuming you did, you would have scanned the words, THAT'S LIKE SAYING

and while we are at it, let's compare my statement to yours:

What I said:

That's like saying, you can't call me names because I am little minority and that would be touchy, but I can crack at you all I like because you are a majority.. and it won't be as touchy..

To

What you said:

...why jokes against minorities are a touchier subject than jokes against people in the majority. For a lot of the people on Black Tokyo (not that I've even been to that site), I assume that they've had to live with that difference all their lives. So I'd forgive them for letting off steam, the way a lot of you do in this very forum.

Perhaps I am dense.. perhaps I am missing something, perhaps I got you all wrong, if so forgive my misunderstanding, but after reading the two comments posted by yourself and I, I can only conclude that they are very related, if not, the same statements, only reworded. You even implied that you'd forgive them, but not those who post in this very forum... all because they've experienced the difference all their lives.... or am I misunderstanding that as well?

Balls in your court paizan.

[cstaylor]

2) Everyone's a racist of some sort, but some people are just better at hiding it. Before you go on protesting "I'm not," let me say, "Yes, you too." The definition includes "discriminatory or abusive behavior." So even if your intent was not to be abusive, you're still discriminating. I'd like everyone to just accept this about themselves and try to use their powers for good instead of evil.

Another person said something very similar... "All people are selfish"... but the trouble with that logic is that it defies definition. If all people are racist, there is no such thing as a "racist", because there are no cases of "non-racist" to compare against.

Discriminatory is also a very large word to wield when discussing race, as discrimination means (the primary definition) "the process by which two stimuli differing in some aspect or power of finely distinguishing", as in the case of "he had a trained eye for discriminating between fine jewely and imitation".

The man who made the statement about selfishness as a universal human trait was Abraham Lincoln.