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Postby Coligny » Wed Aug 18, 2010 6:32 pm

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Postby Yokohammer » Wed Aug 18, 2010 6:58 pm

joshuaism wrote:The research is just too hard, so let's feel sorry for the few GIs with supposed false rape allegations on their records instead.

You've proven your point about the research being too hard by just regurgitating stories and numbers you copied-and-pasted from non-corroborated sources. If you can do some real research and dial the sarcasm back a bit I won't be the only person who's interested to read what you come up with.
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Postby IparryU » Wed Aug 18, 2010 7:35 pm

Yokohammer wrote:Apparently the research is too hard for you too, because you're just regurgitating numbers you copied-and-pasted from non-corroborated sources. If you can do some real research and dial the sarcasm back a bit I'll be interested to read what you come up with.


Just a lil' fun fact. In High School and University, if you didn't have a bibliography with all the citations (spelling/close to sound) you would get an F on the report because you don't have a credited source.

Any jackass can make an amazing speech/report/document/etc. with strong numbers and winning comments, but try to put this in front of some half-smart high school kid and they'll call your BS. Not to mention someone like Greji who would eat you alive...

Not to dis the poster of the crazy numbers like Greji picked at, but at lease put up a link, name of researcher/politician/oficial doc. to back it up a bit. Not that you have to do it for every thing you put up, but doing it would even make Takechan's statements more solid (even thought they would all be some random J-person's BS about WWII/post-WWII)

Greji, it is always surprising to see you get down and speak some truf. Sorta like when Bill Cosby expressed his knowledge and shocked people because they thought he only knew about puddin'... dont fug wid 'em
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Postby Takechanpoo » Wed Aug 18, 2010 8:12 pm

Coligny wrote:No offense... But usually the baby murder stories are the redflag for bullshit...
On a psychological standpoint, killing and raping a woman stay in the same realm of desire to subdue. Killing a baby, not that it can't happen... But it really take a basket case to do it.

Also for the rape hiding strange accounting practice... If it was back then like it is now... It's totally believable. On duty nights there is quite a lot of "raped" schoolgirls... That just don't make any sense... And usually don't take long before being filled in "customer didn't pay for extras" or just downright extortion attempt.

The more it goes the more I believe reminding history is a bad thing. Because it's not just written by the winners. It's re-written by every shmuck in the block to fit the agenda of the day. I's just so hopelessly useless...

Yokohammer wrote:You've proven your point about the research being too hard by just regurgitating stories and numbers you copied-and-pasted from non-corroborated sources. If you can do some real research and dial the sarcasm back a bit I won't be the only person who's interested to read what you come up with.

IparryU wrote:Just a lil' fun fact. In High School and University, if you didn't have a bibliography with all the citations (spelling/close to sound) you would get an F on the report because you don't have a credited source.

Any jackass can make an amazing speech/report/document/etc. with strong numbers and winning comments, but try to put this in front of some half-smart high school kid and they'll call your BS. Not to mention someone like Greji who would eat you alive...

Not to dis the poster of the crazy numbers like Greji picked at, but at lease put up a link, name of researcher/politician/oficial doc. to back it up a bit. Not that you have to do it for every thing you put up, but doing it would even make Takechan's statements more solid (even thought they would all be some random J-person's BS about WWII/post-WWII)

[SIZE="4"]WOW[/SIZE]...:rolleyes:
These comments are just like Japanese "rightists" ones about Nanjin Masscre.
As you do know, so-called Nanjin Masscre too is comprised of "non-corroborated sources".
So you dudes should agree with J-rightists about it.
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Postby Samurai_Jerk » Wed Aug 18, 2010 8:32 pm

IparryU wrote:Greji, it is always surprising to see you get down and speak some truf. Sorta like when Bill Cosby expressed his knowledge and shocked people because they thought he only knew about puddin'... dont fug wid 'em


This is in no way a criticism of Greji and it's always great to hear first hand accounts, but just because he was there doesn't mean he knows what he's talking about. If there was a military cover up, Greji probably wouldn't know about it unless he was involved. If he was involved, he might have good reason to keep toeing the official line even all these years later.
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Postby FG Lurker » Wed Aug 18, 2010 9:08 pm

Samurai_Jerk wrote:This is in no way a criticism of Greji and it's always great to hear first hand accounts, but just because he was there doesn't mean he knows what he's talking about. If there was a military cover up, Greji probably wouldn't know about it unless he was involved. If he was involved, he might have good reason to keep toeing the official line even all these years later.

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Postby Fullback » Wed Aug 18, 2010 9:23 pm

I don't think he's being paranoid. I'm curious about when Greji came here. I'm not being disrespectful, I'm just curious because he'd be almost 90 years old if he was here after the war.

I think he's always talked about the 1950's and later, and that time period was different than from the immediate post-war period.
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Postby Greji » Wed Aug 18, 2010 9:37 pm

Fullback wrote:I don't think he's being paranoid. I'm curious about when Greji came here. I'm not being disrespectful, I'm just curious because he'd be almost 90 years old if he was here after the war.

I think he's always talked about the 1950's and later, and that time period was different than from the immediate post-war period.


I ain't 90, not to say I wouldn't do a hot 90 year old, but, the early 60s was the first time permanently (before that on study/research). But even at that late date 15+ years after the war, a lot of the senpais that I worked with and for, were here from the onset, not going to much further, a couple were on the Missouri that one day.

Truthfully, to my understanding and observations, a lot of things had not changed from the time of the San Francisco Peace Treaty. The occupation itself, was of course, it a completely different bird.
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Postby Fullback » Wed Aug 18, 2010 10:10 pm

About 20 years ago, I knew one of the Japanese interpreters on the Missouri that day. My uncle was flying overhead - he was CAG on the Lexington.

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Postby joshuaism » Thu Aug 19, 2010 1:16 am

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Yokohammer wrote:Apparently the research is too hard for you too, because you're just regurgitating numbers you copied-and-pasted from non-corroborated sources. If you can do some real research and dial the sarcasm back a bit I'll be interested to read what you come up with.

Just a lil' fun fact. In High School and University, if you didn't have a bibliography with all the citations (spelling/close to sound) you would get an F on the report because you don't have a credited source.

Any jackass can make an amazing speech/report/document/etc. with strong numbers and winning comments, but try to put this in front of some half-smart high school kid and they'll call your BS. Not to mention someone like Greji who would eat you alive...

Not to dis the poster of the crazy numbers like Greji picked at, but at lease put up a link, name of researcher/politician/oficial doc. to back it up a bit. Not that you have to do it for every thing you put up, but doing it would even make Takechan's statements more solid (even thought they would all be some random J-person's BS about WWII/post-WWII)

Greji, it is always surprising to see you get down and speak some truf. Sorta like when Bill Cosby expressed his knowledge and shocked people because they thought he only knew about puddin'... dont fug wid 'em

Sorry about the lack of a bibliography. As this is the INTERNET and not an academic setting I thought I might get a free pass. Hell, Greji doesn't even need to provide links but I have to provide MLA citations. But if you cannot be bothered to follow a hyperlink then there is no point in trying to source my data anyway, as the Japan Focus article provided many sources, no doubt all "non-corroborated."

Of course corroboration may just be conspiracy among fellow anti-military scholars and journalists as Greji suggests.
Greji wrote:You might note that if you follow all of these sources you quote from I assume a google search, they go back to two, or three original sources, which are busy quoting each other and Sabbin just attempts to up dates them with the same quotes for use in his various articles.

And yes, it was from a google search, since not everyone has online access to military, journalist, and academic archives or original books. If these sources were readily available online then this discussion would be much more interesting. But if you cracked open one of these books (as I have with Yuki Tanaka's "Japan's Comfort Women") maybe you would even see the citations of original military documents and communique concerning these issues. Then again, I imagine you would expect me to run the FOIA myself before trusting these anti-military authors.

At least Greji takes the time to discredit Yuki Tanaka (research professor at the Hiroshima Peace Institute) for "standing alone" in his research. And we should also discount John Dower (Professor of Japanese history) since he comes from MIT just like that political dissident and anarchist, Noam Chomski.

Greji wrote:I would just note among other things, that if you as a citizen of the US, I wonder if you believe that your fellow citizens (military people can also be citizens you know) would willingly cover up 120,450 rapes a year (330 x 365) and would allow their fellow citizens to conduct such atrocities as the alleged mass rape in the hospital, culminating with throwing down an infant onto the floor and killing it? Do you believe Americans are such rapist, or baby killers, that they would not be without outrage, that they would not wish to take it to a legal hearing, or making it a matter official record in some way? If you believe that is true, there's probably no sense in discussing this issue further, with that belief in your fellow man.

Even I find this number sounds inflated, but I wouldn't expect to see my fellow citizens lined up around the block, waiting for their turn in the brothel either.
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Strangely, it happened. No doubt these fine young gentlemen didn't behave like this in America, but they figured the rules didn't apply in Japan. Perhaps some thought there were other rules that didn't apply to them as well. And if most American GIs accepted this institutionalized system (even if they did not partake), then likely they turned a blind eye to other transgressions too.

Greji wrote:..with the price for a piece of the good stuff being counted in coins of the smallest denomination, or packs of cigarettes (which were a dime a pack on base when I got here), 330 rapes daily seems to be pushing it.

Personally, I would expect the punishment for stealing a commodity to be proportional to the value of said commodity. If sex could be had for a dime, then rape would seem a trifling thing to do and likely not worth the effort to prosecute.

Really I'm just disgusted with the apologists on this site that say that these whores, skanks, and sluts with the rape allegations cannot be trusted but they are withholding judgment until the trial.
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Postby Adhesive » Thu Aug 19, 2010 1:52 am

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Really I'm just disgusted with the apologists on this site that say that these whores, skanks, and sluts with the rape allegations cannot be trusted but they are withholding judgment until the trial.

Actually, cathouses were surprisingly common in the US, pre-WWII. So, it certainly doesn't strike me as strange to see US service men lining up for it...in fact, now that I think of it, that's a pretty absurd proposition, considering sailors are fairly notorious for sleeping with prostitutes on leave.

I'm also not quite sure how skepticism over the story of prostitutes, or other anti-war propagandist, is any more disgusting than skepticism regarding the official reports, or lack thereof. It all seems the same to me, skepticism and dismissal of one side's account, unless you have a bias for or against the US or rape victims, that is.

Also, like I asked in an earlier post, what does any of this have to do with current accusations against this particular marine? Regardless of how bad things were immediately after the occupation, it has no bearing on the current allegations in Japan, which Take's original post is proposing. I'm skeptical of the current story given the current set of facts, and the current US-Japan dynamic, but instead of the guilty-until-proven-innocent proponents pointing out why the current facts suggest otherwise, they are pointing to an extraordinary time that took place over 50 years in the past as evidence.
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Postby Yokohammer » Thu Aug 19, 2010 7:00 am

Joshuaism & Take,

There were allegations that US troops were so depraved and brutal that they'd eat Japanese babies too. Might as well believe that as well I suppose.

The point is, there's bullshit from both sides. We know there's a helluva lot of it emanating from the extreme right. It's a specialty of theirs, and in fact anyone with an agenda they're determined to pursue. Any incident that can be taken out of context and blown out of proportion to serve a lopsided agenda will be noisily raised and paraded around until it takes on a life of its own.

The Nanjing massacre never happened ... the "comfort women" were willing participants ... Japan was only trying to help, but was lured into the war by an evil United States ... the US occupation of Japan was a brutal, uncontrolled rampage of murder and rape ... and on and on and on ad nauseum.

Give me a fucking break.

Some of it is so blatantly contrived that it's laughable ... or would be if it didn't affect people's lives so much. Just open your eyes and look at the way "the facts" of the war are shown by the media even today. Look at the history books used in schools. Only "facts" that support the agenda of the establishment are presented, and sometimes embellished. Everything else is conveniently omitted.

You'll almost always find at least two sets of facts and figures for any situation like this, one for each side. If you simply choose a side and blindly accept and argue the "facts" as presented, you're just part of the problem.
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Postby Adhesive » Thu Aug 19, 2010 7:48 am

joshuaism wrote:But these cathouses were not set up by or given sanction by the government and military. And you won't see sailors posing for pictures inside these whorehouses either like you do here.

Despite the notoriety surrounding sailors, soliciting prostitutes is and was illegal in the states and elsewhere. But under the RAA system, prostitution was given a pass. And if we were willing to accept prostitution by de jure, what else were we willing to accept by de facto?

So because prostitution was given a pass so was mass rape and baby killing? Talk about a logical leap.



joshuaism wrote:but...

1. Japanese girls are all lying sluts.

2. The Japanese hate the US military and will make shit up.

3. Statistically this is not a typical sexual assault.

Joshuaism, I'm perfectly willing to read all of your arguments and any evidence to back up Take's claims of mass rape (although I'd prefer to hear arguments on why the current accusation doesn't justify skepticism). I don't have a horse in this race. In fact, I found many of your links interesting, to say the least. However, you summarizing my discussion points in such a disingenuous and crude way doesn't really help your case. I never said that all Japanese girls are lying sluts. I never even insinuated that. I only noted that I am personally aware of enough cases to remain skeptical of these types of allegations. I'm aware of enough US incidents of false allegations to be skeptical in the US as well, that doesn't mean I think all American girls are lying sluts, so please don't attempt to portray me in that way.

joshuaism wrote:But what does the Iwakuni incident have to do with these current allegations? Like you said, "it has no bearing on the current allegations."

I never said that we cannot draw upon recent events to infer the probability of current accusations. Either you are very eager to distort my words into something that suits your needs, or I'm simply not being very good at articulating my points. If it's the latter, I apologize. I do understand the inadmissibility of such evidence (I'm an attorney after all, even if only a mediocre one), but like you touched on with the beyond a reasonable doubt argument, just because evidence is not admissible in court doesn't mean that it can't justifiably feed our personal skepticism. I simply find it silly to base your certainty of these allegations on purported events that happened so long ago, with a different generation of actors, under an entirely different military administration. Take, and perhaps you, may find my skepticism unjustified, and I'm willing to hear you out on why, but if it's based on purported rape and murder committed by US occupation forces half a century ago under the Truman administration, I got to tell you, I doubt I'll be all that convinced.
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Postby IparryU » Thu Aug 19, 2010 9:30 am

Takechanpoo wrote:[SIZE="4"]WOW[/SIZE]...:rolleyes:
These comments are just like Japanese "rightists" ones about Nanjin Masscre.
As you do know, so-called Nanjin Masscre too is comprised of "non-corroborated sources".
So you dudes should agree with J-rightists about it.


I will find the citation for this later as I used it in my Uni Report on WWII, but pools of battery acid covered up many things... Wich sorta allows the righties to claim numbers and say we didnt do that much of a nothing there...

will update later, might have to post my Uni report if i can get my hands on it.
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Postby American Oyaji » Thu Aug 19, 2010 10:21 am

joshua, Greji isn't "getting a pass".

Understand that many members of this board know each other in real life and meeting and getting to know people face to face has a way of erasing the bullshit of bravado the internet gives people. There have been YEARS of contact outside of this board to corroborate or disprove ANY store most of us tell. So don't think this is your typical board with people throwing shit out there for the hell of it.

Also, if you truly are in Misawa, I'd be careful what I post about the military near a military installation. I used to be in the 432d & 35th Communications Squadrons. You'd be surprised what can be monitored on AND off base.
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Postby Greji » Thu Aug 19, 2010 12:31 pm

joshuaism wrote:Even I find this number sounds inflated, but I wouldn't expect to see my fellow citizens lined up around the block, waiting for their turn in the brothel either.

Strangely, it happened. No doubt these fine young gentlemen didn't behave like this in America, but they figured the rules didn't apply in Japan. Perhaps some thought there were other rules that didn't apply to them as well. And if most American GIs accepted this institutionalized system (even if they did not partake), then likely they turned a blind eye to other transgressions too.
I cannot tell you a lot about your "comfort stations as you and your sources refer to them, because I had never heard of an R.A.A., or comfort station during my time. The term "Goraku" was immensely popular in Japan for any numerous fields of entertainment. Some sports clubs even horseback riding (interesting parallel) were frequently called a gorakubu. You seem to be against hooking. Well, so be it, but there have always been whores and whore houses in Japan, as well as San Diego, San Francisco and New York and there always will be. As to the Yasuura photo (I do like the name). The building and setting do not have the off-installation ring to it. It appears more to have been taken on an installation. Even the one J-person visable is wearing the old police uniform. It don't have a real ring about it, except that they are describing it as a whore house in those terms. Your source (MSMBC?) goes into great deal about many things I found the preparations for the GI bases in Ibaraki Prefecture and how the government and police set up their "Comfort Stations" and stocked them with girls. Well, I hope they got good use out of it themselves, because there are and were no US bases to my knowledge in Ibaraki.

The point is how do you know this BS to be so true? I don't claim to know it all either, but I have worked and lived here covering a good number of years, I never heard of most of these terms until lately, and I ran the bricks with the best of them and still do. I find a lot of these might likely be "interpretations" of interpretations of Japanese stories/documents. They do like to point out dramatically how much they were victimized at war's end, whether you believe that or not.

As to your allegations about the government and military "setting them up" for the troops. The churches being set up and the military chaplains present during the occupation would raise holly hell if something like that were to have been done. Chaplains in the military are of all ranks and at all levels in the chain of command, up to and including General Officers. I believe the chaplain in charge of the Chaplain Service for US Forces Japan is a full bird Colonel. Chaplains have access to most all daily operational matters involving resources management. If you believe that could get a stamp of approval from the local priest, pastor, or rabbi, to run a string of recreational hooks, you got a nothing think coming. Chaplains answer first to their faith. They are required to be in good stead with their religious body or their commission in the military will be withdrawn. There is no way they were, or are (unfortunately) going to allow the US military to setup a string of hookers. The closest I know first hand of any military involvement is mandatory checking of Health Cards (the famous VD Cards). Before prostitution was illegal, all hooks, hostesses, or women used in any part of the entertainment fields had to register with the Public Peace Preservation Section at the Police Station in their working area. They had to provide not only real identification (through a current jiminhyou), but also the nickname, or bar name she would be using. Those that were held to have a position, which might result in the provision of sexual favors (prostitution) were required to have a VD card, which would show the bearer of the card to be free of any STDs. The girls were required to be checked at an authorized medical facility periodically, usually weekly. I am of the understanding that some of this testing was done by military physicians and medics at the request of the J-government. Japan at the end of the war did not have great hospital facilities, nor did they have a lot of medical personnel. They did have a roaring STD problem, mainly the clap, courtesy of their own troops bringing home a lot of rare Asian omiyagis. This was a problem for the US military then as it is now. A troop that is down with a dose is a troop that is not available for line duty. A good answer is if you can't stop them from buying a hook, you could at least try to make sure the hooks are clean if you have that type of opportunity.

When I arrived in Japan these medical checks for the cards were not being done by the military, so I only know about that part by rather good hearsay. But, VD cards were still around. Military Town Patrols and Shore patrols through an agreement with the SOFA committee, could ask for VD cards and if a bar had a girl working without an up-to-date, or VD card, they could be declared off limits. Since these were GI only bars, it would shut the business off, so the owners kept check on the girls, to see that they were up-to-date on their exams. Prostitution was outlawed in 1958, but I saw VD cards into the middle 60s. Also, I don't know about the present as I've been out of the business (from that side:p ), but at least until a few years, all hostesses arm wrestling for drinks in the gin mills, still had to register with the Houanka at the local police station just as before. It's just that the registration as a peehole peddler was no longer required.

Having said that, you seem to have read a lot about Japan and should know that prostitution had long been on the books as a great money making industry until it became illegal 1958 (Which I'm sure you know was aided through extensive involvement of the US Military and their wives. Horrible when you get a bunch of rapists in town, they ruin everything). The operators of the industry hired or purchased the girls directly off the street or from the parents. Is this good? Not by today's thinking. But this was old Japan and it was an accepted part of society until much later on. How were the geiko's, maiko's and high/low level prostitutes were procurred this way throughout history in Japan? Probably most of them and there has always some dude in the background. An oyabun, a big mover, an arranger, someone who would set up all these deals. Someone who bought the girls from the families, or hired them off the street. These type of dudes have been doing this job since the shogunates and it would be hard to imagine that they would suddenly quit and get religion, just because a million or two new horny customers came into town. Neither the US military, government, nor the J-government would not have to worry about setting anything up, even if they had have been so disposed with these fellows at work.

Really I'm just disgusted with the apologists on this site that say that these whores, skanks, and sluts with the rape allegations cannot be trusted but they are withholding judgment until the trial.


I think you are over-reading the posts. I don't think anyone has said that rapes have not occurred and that they are not a horrible offense. We put more that one guy away in either Japanese and US (military) prisons for the offense.

What I was saying was there were far more of the allegations on my watch, that were paid off in private settlements, then there were actual rapes. I am the source on that quote so you can believe it if you like, or not. I don't know how many of the private settlements could have been actual rapes. But, the circumstances could pretty well identify the ones that were not. Both the Japanese Police and the US Military Authorities, could not advise the suspect what to do even if they fully believed the girl was only looking for a pouch of dust off the GI. Even his lawyer could only tell him that if he paid up, the charges would go away and if he didn't, he would go to trial. I do know personally of several cases where the GI stuck to his guns and the girl backed out before trial because it was obvious she wasn't going to get any money.

It's truly a great scam. Worth of admiration. Men in the US because of their upbringing are totally devastated by the thought of going through a public trial for any type of sexual related offense. Just having the knowledge that it may be splashed in the news back home in front of mom and everybody, is a good enough reason to jump off a bridge. These gals would name a price and if the guy couldn't reach it, they would politely bargain it down to something he could afford and then no trial, ikken rakuchakku. Everyone's happy. But, I suppose you don't believe that either.
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Postby Coligny » Thu Aug 19, 2010 9:39 pm

joshuaism wrote:Sorry about the lack of a bibliography. As this is the INTERNET and not an academic setting I thought I might get a free pass. Hell, Greji doesn't even need to provide links but I have to provide MLA citations. But if you cannot be bothered to follow a hyperlink then there is no point in trying to source my data anyway, as the Japan Focus article provided many sources, no doubt all "non-corroborated."


Jeezzzz... Greji don't have a free pass, the old fart got what is close to be a first hand account on the situation.
When you'r in a setup where you are facing someone who was there while you just made your mind from books. You listen, try to see how things fit, what make sense or not, how the person might have rationnalised the events. But this kind of confrontation is ridiculously out of place.
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Postby joshuaism » Fri Aug 20, 2010 7:21 am

Greji,
I can believe that you hadn't heard of the RAA "during your time" as it came and went during the first six months of the occupation. Of coure, you did admit the occupation was "a completely different bird." But I would find a complete disavowal of knowledge disingenuous as you seem to recognize its existence in this [post=151011]post[/post]. I recognize that you aren't senile as in this discussion and across fg you seem to have your wits about you, and besides as we have found out in this thread, you aren't really that old. So I'll just assume that post was something you tossed off and forgot.

Your info on VD cards is spot on although it was a pointless effort. It would not prevent some adventurous don juan from catching something out in the wild outside populous and then spreading it around before his next short arm inspection. It also reveals something very paternalistic and misogynistic about the system. These women couldn't request a VD card from these fine young gentlemen to assure their own safety and the men didn't get mandatory check-ups nearly as often.

As for me being anti-hooking I am pretty ambivalent about it. If it were legal, I imagine that it would be safer and you would see less trafficking and exploitation. I'm of the mind that pimping should remain illegal, not that I know of a way to make that system work. But what I don't like is the hypocrisy surrounding it, as illustrated by the VD Card system. If we are looking at prostitutes then it makes sense to test and license them, but if we are checking for licensed "bar girls" then VD shouldn't come into it. These girls aren't obligated to provide sex as part of their job so it isn't a health hazard. So why did they bother to check?

AO,
Yes, I've left Misawa (I should change my location after I post). Even if I was still there, I don't think I should be paranoid about what I write online. It's not like I'm leaking secrets ala Bradley Manning and as a citizen I shouldn't have to worry about snooping in my online activities. If the military is collecting dossier's on their members protected free speech and legal activities then I'm glad I'm out. And if some individual was using those military resources to monitor me then they would be breaking the law.

Adhesive,
I may have been too crude in summarizing your points. I don't want to put words in your mouth, but it sounds like you are saying that because some Japanese girls have lied about rape, you are withholding judgment. But that would be just like me saying, "Despite the fact that some GIs are rapists, I'm withholding my judgment."

Here is why I think both of these positions are meaningless and reveal bias. If false rape allegations are common, I would expect reporters, and even anti-military activists, to be cautious in reporting every allegation. Because they lose credibility if they circle the wagon on false pretenses. And if they reported every allegation (assuming false allegations are common) they would quickly ruin their reputations. This specific case has been widely reported by a couple of news organizations. So if they reported it, I imagine they did some research in order to maintain their credibility.

But maybe I'm being naive. Tell us Greji, seeing as you saw more cases of false allegation than actual rape in your work. When a case got reported in the news, was it more likely the case was of an actual rape or credible report or did most news reports consist of outright false allegations?
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Postby IparryU » Fri Aug 20, 2010 9:15 am

joshuaism wrote:blah blah blah I am trying to flame wid Greji blah blah blah.

I should stop before I dig my grave past 6 feet.

blah


dude, I can see how much effort you are putting in this, but your f'in with a guy that was associated with that stuff (I would assume on both sides of the counter?)

Just stop whilst you ahead. Best thing to do is to ask him questions and rebuttal his answers to see if any of your points come on top...

You would have a better chance arguing about breeds of goats rather than this... seriously, and greji loves goats
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Postby wuchan » Fri Aug 20, 2010 11:01 am

joshuaism wrote:Greji,
blah blah

You said that the US military never set up whore houses and that prostitution is illegal in the US. You are correct.... kind of. Between prohibition and the famous Fumbling Bumbling Idiot crackdown in the 70's the military had gentleman agreements with the mob to run cat houses near the major bases including brag.
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Postby Mike Oxlong » Wed Aug 25, 2010 8:38 pm

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Postby Takechanpoo » Wed Aug 25, 2010 10:41 pm

nottu wrote:Fact is no one knows for sure –]
Everybody cannot smell their own farts.
Your damn wife doesnt know. So what? eh?

Takechanpoo wrote:
During only 7 years GHQ occupation, 2536 murder cases and 30,000 rape cases by US soldiers happened. And GHQ demanded Japan to build only-for-US soldier brothels to prevent them from raping innocent Japanese women.

This statistics is about only around Tokyo area. It means more rape, kidnapping or murder cases happened all over Japan.
You American should recognize that not only Zanichi Korean but also US soldiers rampaged all over Japan.
And even Vietnam war era, around Iwakuni Base, US soldiers rampaged to rape innocent Japanese women.
Face the truth, filthy Americans.
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Postby IparryU » Thu Aug 26, 2010 9:25 am

Takechanpoo wrote:Everybody cannot smell their own farts.
Your damn wife doesnt know. So what? eh?

you speaks canadian Englrish? eh?

Takechanpoo wrote:This statistics is about only around Tokyo area. It means more rape, kidnapping or murder cases happened all over Japan.
You American should recognize that not only Zanichi Korean but also US soldiers rampaged all over Japan.
And even Vietnam war era, around Iwakuni Base, US soldiers rampaged to rape innocent Japanese women.
Face the truth, filthy Americans.

Too easy to attack...

Japanese pushed Zanichi Koreans in front of trains like it was a fad back in the day. My Father in Law's dad is Zanichi Korean, lots of stories about you fucked Japanese, dont forget it.

"war era" = 'nuff said, our soldiers were really streesed from that war and could not hold them selfs back. we deeply appologize for this and we will try to make things better :bowdown:

Yes we are filthy and easy to attack, like 2/3 of our population are huge fat asses. But at least we arn't major producers of skat porn, kiddy porn, stupid excuses for everything, and seasonal PMs (like the four seasons that japan has)

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Postby Coligny » Thu Aug 26, 2010 9:33 am

Takechanpoo wrote:Everybody cannot smell their own farts.
Your damn wife doesnt know. So what? eh?


Full moon...

coincidence ? I don't think so...
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Postby Yokohammer » Thu Aug 26, 2010 10:31 am

Takechanpoo wrote:Face the truth, filthy Americans.

How 'bout this: America will face the truth as soon as Japan faces the truth.

You said it best yourself:
Takechanpoo wrote:Everybody cannot smell their own farts.

Something around here stinks pretty bad.
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Postby Greji » Thu Aug 26, 2010 10:54 am

Takechanpoo wrote:This statistics is about only around Tokyo area.
".....During only 7 years GHQ occupation, 2536 murder cases and 30,000 rape cases....."
Damn Take! Do the math on that. Just being in Tokyo, makes it even more off track....

And even Vietnam war era, around Iwakuni Base, US soldiers rampaged to rape innocent Japanese women.
Face the truth, filthy Americans.


Get your shit together Take. First, there were and are no US soldiers at Iwakuni. It is a marine base and most of the base was deployed to Vietnam off and on for nearly the entire conflict with only airbase defense units left on station. All of the action was in and around, your home in Tachikawa, because of all the R & R flights that came from Vietnam to Yokota and Tachikawa during the Vietnam war. Now since you were there, give us some of your first hand knowledge and views of the myriad rapes and murders that took place around Tachi and Yokota...Your audience awaits with baited breath, or breath that smells like bait, or whatever....
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