Unlikely

[Marvin Feltcher]

"Only in Tokyo, of all the world's major cities, can a woman experience the miracle of walking alone at night without worry."

Not if I'm around.

[GomiGirl]

"Only in Tokyo, of all the world's major cities, can a woman experience the miracle of walking alone at night without worry."

Not if I'm around.

Marvin - I don't believe that for a second.. I have seen you in Kabukicho remember!!

[kamome]

"Only in Tokyo, of all the world's major cities, can a woman experience the miracle of walking alone at night without worry."

Uh, this is just wrong. The writer obviously has never seen a drunk oyaji walking around at 2:30 in the morning.

[Maciamo]

I thought that most Canadian cities were safe. Singapore probably is as safe as Tokyo, if not more.

[blackcat]

that comment is not the most shocking......try these or read the link!

Over the years, viewers were cautioned that foreigners do things a Japanese would never think or imagine doing: pre-Gorbachev treatment of Soviet Jews would be "unimaginable" in Japan; political violence of the type that rocked El Salvador from the late '70s to the early '90s would be "unthinkable" in Japan; the execution of criminals under the age of eighteen, whose constitutionality was pondered by the United States Supreme Court, would be "unthinkable" in Japan

[Jack]

I thought that most Canadian cities were safe. Singapore probably is as safe as Tokyo, if not more.

I think the safety of Canadian cities is way overstated. Yes, Regina might be safe but the big cities are not. There are over 70 murders a year in each of Montreal/Toronto/Vancouver. Just last week a 10 year old girl was kidnapped murdered and her body cut in small pieces and thrown in Lake Ontario.

Ask a J-friend of mine who was raped at 3 a.m. by 3 kokujins in downtown Toronto if Canada is safe. Or another J-friend who was assaulted by another kokujin in broad daylight also in Toronto who suffered from multiple cheekbone fractures.

The first one (a student), despite being savagely raped, she did not want to return to Japan. The second one never wants to leave the safety of Japan again.

[American Oyaji]

Jack, why is it necessary to say what kind of person committed the offenses when the focus of your comments should be the victim?

[Jack]

Oyaji,

Right, I'm sorry about that. It's just that in this city everytime there is a crime (especially shooting), the perpetrators are of that race. So much that the news media a few years ago agreed not to mention the race in their reporting unless it was critical to the case because there were so much complaints regarding people of that race. Again, I am sorry for having mentioned it that way.

[blackcat]

is unthinkable in Japan...it jusr would never happen

[jim katta]

It's just that in this city everytime there is a crime (especially shooting), the perpetrators are of that race. So much that the news media a few years ago agreed not to mention the race in their reporting unless it was critical to the case because there were so much complaints regarding people of that race. Again, I am sorry for having mentioned it that way.

"Everytime" there is a crime in that city, it's a black person???? What a crock. You sound exactly like the zenophobic japanese nationalists in japan who blame most crimes on the chinese, koreans, and filipinos. The media in north america (yes, that includes canada), is racially skewed and will always show a person of color on tv (black, spanish, etc.) doing crime more than the whites. Japan does it with their minorities, and North America does it with their minorities. Buying into that gross generalization will only push you farther away from understanding those who do not look like you. Please, evolve.

[Taro Toporific]

[Taro Toporific]

is unthinkable in Japan...it jusr would never happen

Street crime on the rise nationwide
Asahi Shimbun, Japan - May 23, 2003
The good old days, when Japan prided itself on being one of the safest
countries on the planet, are long gone. ... police advise people to avoid narrow and unlit streets, even if it means adding time to your journey.
Those who must walk along dark roads should carry a long flashlight that can also be used as a weapon. Keep the musical tone in your cellphone ringing as you walk, as that could deter a mugger. In bag-snatching cases, thieves often check out the brand of the bag. Know that and take precautions.

[Jack]

Katta sama,

I am sorry but I refuse to live in denial. I have a young son I have to take care of and where I live you have to look around you all the time. The one's doing all the crime are of that colour. Don't care what you think or say, I know what I see and live.

There was a big racial uproar in Toronto a few months ago because one paper wrote that while blacks represent 7% of the population of the city, they represented 40% of criminal arests. You know what? That's a good enough statistics for me. If people are affraid of visiting Toronto because 90 people out of 4 million have SARS, the above police stat is convincing enough.

As you see, I have evolved but you don't have to agree with me.

[American Oyaji]

Actually, Jack, thats still a crock.

Here is the truth. In North America, (including Canada), authorities pay a disproportionate (sp) amount of attention to minorities.

That statistic you quoted isn't about crime, it's % of people arrested.

If police payed equal attention across the board, one would find that the crime rate statistic vs population statistic would be much closer to each other.

[Jack]

Oyaji,

I think your head is stuck in the sand.

[jim katta]

Here is the truth. In North America, (including Canada), authorities pay a disproportionate (sp) amount of attention to minorities. That statistic you quoted isn't about crime, it's % of people arrested. If police payed equal attention across the board, one would find that the crime rate statistic vs population statistic would be much closer to each other.

Thank you! American Oyaji said it all, and if you can't acknowledge his statement of truth, then you've got some cranial sand removal to perform yourself. I'm all in favor of protecting your kids, but fear you're probably teaching your child the art of racial discrimination. My children will be raised to show love and respect to all people who show them love and respect regardless of race, religion, or economic status. But hey, that's just me.

[blackcat]

JIM and A.O.
I agree with you, Jack once accused me of being a racist "japan basher" as I dared to criticize Japan, however it seems to be the pot calling the kettle BLACK. maybe he`s a "black basher"


pardon the use of the word black just trying to make my point clear.

[Gaisaradatsuraku!]

It's just that in this city everytime there is a crime (especially shooting), the perpetrators are of that race. So much that the news media a few years ago agreed not to mention the race in their reporting unless it was critical to the case because there were so much complaints regarding people of that race. Again, I am sorry for having mentioned it that way.

"Everytime" there is a crime in that city, it's a black person???? What a crock. You sound exactly like the zenophobic japanese nationalists in japan who blame most crimes on the chinese, koreans, and filipinos. The media in north america (yes, that includes canada), is racially skewed and will always show a person of color on tv (black, spanish, etc.) doing crime more than the whites. Japan does it with their minorities, and North America does it with their minorities. Buying into that gross generalization will only push you farther away from understanding those who do not look like you. Please, evolve.

The truth hurts Jim. It ain't that "the man" is picking on you. You need to look inside your society for the causes of the problems rather than blaming others. You just don't have what it takes. You can't accept responsibility. It's always someone's else's fault. Crybaby.

[jingai]

Salad-shooter-san,
Why are you taking the time to dredge up half-year old posts? If you had something to say about the CONTENT of the posts, that would be one thing, but yet again you use it to launch a cheap personal attack. You really have nothing better to do?

I hadn't seen this thread before but it's interesting- discrimination and attitudes in the US, Canada, and Japan. Since Sept 11 there's been a big debate here about racial profiling and how justified it is to scrutinize Arabs and Arab-Americans more than other citizens. If you look at who carried out the most recent attacks, it would seem to make sense, but is arresting and deporting Arab students and immigrants the best way to fight terrorism or only sow more discontent?

Re: the "blacks in N. America/Chinese in Japan" are dangerous argument- I think there are 2 different things you're arguing about. One is the absolute number of crimes committed and the other is as % of a population. So with foreigners in Japan, 1% of the population commits 2% of the crimes, and it's reported way out of proportion to the 98% of Japanese crimes. Still, if you were to say that foreigners in Japan commit a disproportionate about of crimes you'd be right- 1% of the people should commit 1% of the crimes, but they don't.

The same thing goes in the US- some ridiculous percentage of young black males are in jail, probation, or on parole. This is way out of proportion to their numbers in the population, so if you were to look at a black male on the street and say "that person is more likely to be a criminal than a white of the same age" you would be correct, as Jack pointed out. Selective enforcement is one reason for this, as the ACLU notes:

Today, blacks constitute 13 percent of the country's drug users; 37 percent of those arrested on drug charges; 55 percent of those convicted; and 74 percent of all drug offenders sentenced to prison.

http://archive.aclu.org/profiling/report/
I would hazard to guess that economics would account for much of the rest of the discrepancy- if you're at the bottom of the regular economy, the alternative, illegal economy becomes that much more tempting.

Is the best way to change this to further isolate minorites from the mainstream through fear-mongering and legal discrimination? Is it fair to individuals to be judged statistically as a group (all gaijin are criminals)? Hell no!!! Who would want to live in a society like that? Ishihara and the KKK, that's who.

I'm with Jim:

My children will be raised to show love and respect to all people who show them love and respect regardless of race, religion, or economic status. But hey, that's just me.

[Gaisaradatsuraku!]

Oh get a grip "koku"jingai. Those pathetic stats are from the ACLU. They also don't mean a damn thing. It must be sooooo difficult living with white folks because they are so damned racist and hellbent on keeping the bruthas in their place.

So why are my streets clogged with Nigerian/whatever African immigrants hawking their bootleg wares.

The answer is, they need whitey.

[mercutio]

first you say:

The one's doing all the crime are of that colour. Don't care what you think or say, I know what I see and live.

and then you go on to say

they represented 40% of criminal arests. You know what? That's a good enough statistics for me.

your own stitistics dont even agree with what you think.... you're an idiot and *that* is good enough for me

[DulciQuixote]

Nicely said, Jingai. Propensity to commit crime is affected by socio-economic status, not skin color.

[Taro Toporific]

... there are 2 different things you're arguing about. One is the absolute number of crimes committed and the other is as % of a population. So with foreigners in Japan, 1% of the population commits 2% of the crimes, and it's reported way out of proportion to the 98% of Japanese crimes. Still, if you were to say that foreigners in Japan commit a disproportionate about of crimes you'd be right- 1% of the people should commit 1% of the crimes, but they don't.

Crimes involving foreigners increase by 25% in Japan
Aug 14 / Channel News Asia
Crimes in Japan shot up last year, with those involving foreigners increasing by 25 percent. This has placed foreigners, especially foreign students, under growing police and public scrunity.
Schools in Japan that take in foreign students are under pressure to tighten entry requirements and step up supervision. This is because latest police figures showed that more foreigners who commit crimes are enrolled with Japanese universities, vocational and language schools.

[GomiGirl]

Schools in Japan that take in foreign students are under pressure to tighten entry requirements and step up supervision. This is because latest police figures showed that more foreigners who commit crimes are enrolled with Japanese universities, vocational and language schools.

They may be enrolled, but are they attending classes?

[Kurofune]

Schools in Japan that take in foreign students are under pressure to tighten entry requirements and step up supervision.

Uh-huh. In the vocational school where I teach, the foreign students seem more trustworthy than most of the Japanese students. In fact, I've seen foreign teachers and students quit after only a month because they were disgusted by the way the Japanese students behaved.

I had a little nihon de kangaerarenai incident yesterday. A postal worker informed me that I should've considered sending my package via EMS, instead of small packet. She said that small packet was dangerous, then clarified that within Japan everything would of course be okay, but muko is another matter. I could've explained that I've never had a problem within muko or between Japan and muko , but I know how that conversation goes.

[Taro Toporific]

[Kurofune]

[Taro Toporific]

[Kurofune]

This emphasis on quality and not just quantity is designed to combat a rise in unauthorized labor by foreign students...

Ah, yes. Quality education for it's own sake can be overlooked, but now that some Chinese students are waiting tables a few nights a week... Not that I advocate visa violations, but the priorities seem a little whacked. What else is new?

[Kurofune]

Edit: Sorry, double posted.