Holocaust memorial takes shape

[GuyJean]

Yeah, the US probably should do more to recognize the atrocities it committed in Vietnam (and other countries too).

Not that the US government has anything to do with the My Lai Peace Park Project, but the Quakers in Wisconsin do!

http://www.mylaipeacepark.org/peacepk.html

On March 16, 1998, the 30th Anniversary of the massacre at My Lai a simple groundbreaking was held at the site of the future My Lai Peace Park. After the extensive ceremonies at the My Lai Memorial we all then walked a mile or so the site of the My Lai Peace Park. Speeches were then given by Vietnamese officials and Mike Boehm expressing the hope for a peaceful future relationship between our two countries which this new Peace Park represents. After that Hugh Thompson, Larry Colburn and our Vietnamese counterparts, planted Mango trees, new life to arise out of death.

Kamome, don't fret Jack. He's just jealous there's not a memorial for all the chicks he's banged.. Oh, wait!.. There is! Sayonara to all Japanese Girls

GJ

[kamome]

Kamome, don't fret Jack. He's just jealous there's not a memorial for all the chicks he's banged.. Oh, wait!.. There is! Sayonara to all Japanese Girls

GJ

Yeah, he skipped the wake and funeral and went right to the memorial! No class at all.

[Jack]

Is there a My Lai memorial? Or was America "at war" with South Vietnam?

Yeah, the US probably should do more to recognize the atrocities it committed in Vietnam (and other countries too). There's an example of the US going abroad and doing harm to other civilians, like the Japanese did in WWII. Does that mean there are too many Holocaust memorials? No.

Yes there are. Everywhere you go there are Holocaust memorials. Enough is enough. There is a minoreh in front of the White House during the Christmas season or city halls around the world. For what? What's the point? I am sick of tired of blokes like you guys always saying that it is okay what the US does (i.e. massacre hundreds of thousands of civilians in Japan and elsewhere) and brush it off under the pretext of war. Jews control the US via Holywood and the Media and you guys have been brainwashed.

[Caustic Saint]

Jews control the US via Holywood and the Media and you guys have been brainwashed.

Which "Jews" would these be? Do you have names of studio executives or some other master list? I'm curious to see if anybody who makes this comment will ever be able to back it up with actual facts.

[cstaylor]

"The International Jew" by Henry Ford
"The Protocols of Zion" by Hermann Goedsche
"Mein Kampf" by Adolf Hitler

See the pattern?

[Jack]

Jews control the US via Holywood and the Media and you guys have been brainwashed.

Which "Jews" would these be? Do you have names of studio executives or some other master list? I'm curious to see if anybody who makes this comment will ever be able to back it up with actual facts.

You're joking right? Start with Steven Spielberg, Barry Diller, Seinfeld, Edgar Bronfman, Michael Ovitz... you must be kidding, there are thousands of them. How can anyone give all the names? What does Bob Hope call the Oscar ceremonies? "Passover". 90% of Holywood studio executives are Jewish and this comes from Jewsih publications. Show me one movie aside from "Bugsy" in which the Jewish guy is the bad guy. Watch the latest movie "Anger Management" and you can see dozens of Jewish propaganda passages while making fun of a Buddhist munk. Why not make fun of a Rabbi?

[Caustic Saint]

Jews control the US via Holywood and the Media and you guys have been brainwashed.

Which "Jews" would these be? Do you have names of studio executives or some other master list? I'm curious to see if anybody who makes this comment will ever be able to back it up with actual facts.

You're joking right? Start with Steven Spielberg, Barry Diller, Seinfeld, Edgar Bronfman, Michael Ovitz... you must be kidding, there are thousands of them. How can anyone give all the names? What does Bob Hope call the Oscar ceremonies? "Passover". 90% of Holywood studio executives are Jewish and this comes from Jewsih publications. Show me one movie aside from "Bugsy" in which the Jewish guy is the bad guy. Watch the latest movie "Anger Management" and you can see dozens of Jewish propaganda passages while making fun of a Buddhist munk. Why not make fun of a Rabbi?

No, I wasn't joking. It's a common line that "jews run the entertainment industry" and it was poked at in Bulworth, but I consider it pretty baseless. You named all of five people. Seinfeld? What the hell does he do nowadays? 90% of all studio execs are Jewish? I take it you've got a source to back that up.

"Why not make fun of a Rabbi?" you ask. Maybe becuase there's not much of a joke there. The only people I know who still laugh at Jewish, JAP, or rabbi jokes are themselves Jewish. They're mostly in-jokes that a lot of non-Jews wouldn't get. Sure, there are the stereotypical tightwad jokes, but how many people still laugh at those?

[ramchop]

Does that mean there are too many Holocaust memorials? No.

Yes there are. Everywhere you go there are Holocaust memorials. Enough is enough. There is a minoreh in front of the White House during the Christmas season or city halls around the world.

Why should you give a shit what the Americans decide to do outside their White House? As for "city halls around the world"... where?

There's a large Jewish population in New York it'd be stupid in the extreme to think that you wouldn't witness a lot of remembrance there.

Berlin? Well it's pretty bloody obvious why they should remember.

Israel maybe?

Everywhere else I imagine it'd be quite small scale. It was a huge event with victims and their descendents of it now living in many countries of the world. And to counter, you're bitching about who controls the movie industry in America?

[kamome]

Yeah, the US probably should do more to recognize the atrocities it committed in Vietnam (and other countries too). There's an example of the US going abroad and doing harm to other civilians, like the Japanese did in WWII. Does that mean there are too many Holocaust memorials? No.

Yes there are. Everywhere you go there are Holocaust memorials...Jews control the US via Holywood and the Media and you guys have been brainwashed.

Well, at least we all can see who the anti-Semite in the forum is. He wears his prejudice on his sleeve like a badge of honor.

Jack, your baseless paranoia would be hilarious if it weren't so insulting to minorities. In fact, I bet that your anti-Semitism is coupled with an unhealthy dose of racism as well. Jim Katta and American Oyaji, watch out! This anti-Semite may soon start reciting tired old racial cliches as well.

[Gaisaradatsuraku!]

That would be my job!

[GomiGirl]

OK call me naive, but I have never understood why some people are so affected by (and react negatively to) the Jewish religion/lifestyle culture etc.

What is the problem?

As far as I understand Jews and Christians have been living side by side for centuries - usually right next door to each other, pay taxes and have families. So the food is different and the holidays are different.. big deal!! It is not as if there are ritual sacrifies during Haneka (spelling?) and it is not as if Jews are trying to convert everybody to Judaism!! Sheesh - I can think of scarier people to start persecuting!!

Jack's reaction is, sadly, not unique - BUT I JUST DON"T GET IT!!!

Jack - get a grip and a life!!

[Gaisaradatsuraku!]

OK call me naive, but I have never understood why some people are so affected by (and react negatively to) the Jewish religion/lifestyle culture etc.

What is the problem?

As far as I understand Jews and Christians have been living side by side for centuries - usually right next door to each other, pay taxes and have families. So the food is different and the holidays are different.. big deal!! It is not as if there are ritual sacrifies during Haneka (spelling?) and it is not as if Jews are trying to convert everybody to Judaism!! Sheesh - I can think of scarier people to start persecuting!!

Jack's reaction is, sadly, not unique - BUT I JUST DON"T GET IT!!!

Jack - get a grip and a life!!

This may have something to do with Jack's view of the ultimate cause of the mess in the middle east and why America is involved in the region. I will let Jack speak for himself, however.

[kamome]

OK call me naive, but I have never understood why some people are so affected by (and react negatively to) the Jewish religion/lifestyle culture etc.

What is the problem?

As far as I understand Jews and Christians have been living side by side for centuries - usually right next door to each other, pay taxes and have families. So the food is different and the holidays are different.. big deal!! It is not as if there are ritual sacrifies during Haneka (spelling?) and it is not as if Jews are trying to convert everybody to Judaism!! Sheesh - I can think of scarier people to start persecuting!!

Jack's reaction is, sadly, not unique - BUT I JUST DON"T GET IT!!!

Jack - get a grip and a life!!

This may have something to do with Jack's view of the ultimate cause of the mess in the middle east and why America is involved in the region. I will let Jack speak for himself, however.

You give him too much credit, Gai. He hasn't shown enough intelligence to articulate such a position. And even if some people feel that way about the Middle East, there are more eloquent and reasonable ways of expressing it without resorting to a Jewish conspiracy theory.

[Taro Toporific]

That would be my job!

It's a hard job but somebody got to do it, right?

Except being anti-Semitic in your part of Manhattan would be stupid. While watching cable, my pissy, hormone-addled, trying-to-get-a-rise-out-of-me, 13 year old nephews asked me what a 'kyyke' was.

I answered, "Me."
<long silence>

"Do you mean, 'kyyke' is like 'cripple'?"

"Yep."

"So if we say it, we just sound stupid."

"Riiiiight."

[Gaisaradatsuraku!]

You give him too much credit, Gai. He hasn't shown enough intelligence to articulate such a position.

I don't know. Actually, he has indicated that viewpoint here. He also indicated that he might be Middle Eastern and had some family problem with what is going on there. Of course, if he is a swarthy Middle Eastern type I have trouble reconciling why he would be swarmed with lady friends but that is another story. Actually, if you are a believer in affirmative action, as our Supreme Court seems to be, there might be some non-biased explanation for Jack's point of view. I mean whenever the workforce/power is out of balance, that calls for a rebalancing doesn't it? I thought that is the way America still worked. Or, does it only work this way sometimes?

[Jack]

I am actually a Chirtsian Middle Eastern but I look 100% European. People say that in a crowd I look Italian or French. Anyway, I have had many Jewish friends and I know their inner thinking. My thoughts are tainted by my Middle Eastern origin and the way America unconditionally supports Israel at the expense of Arabs (I am not Arab).

However, Consider the following example from Canada:

PM urged to set up genocide museum
Would defuse Auschwitz flap, MP suggests
JEFF SALLOT, jsallot@globeandmail.ca
Toronto Globe and Mail, letters@globeandmail.ca
January 27, 1999

Ottawa - Liberal MP Sarkis Assaddourian, says Prime Minister Jean Chretien can defuse the controversy surrounding his visit to the Nazi death camp at Auschwitz by announcing plans for a museum in Canada to honour the memories of Jewish, Ukrainian, Armenian and other victims of genocides in this century.Mr. Assadourian said Mr. Chretien's advisers should have seen there would be political trouble when only representatives of Jewish groups were invited to accompany the Prime Minister Sunday on the Auschwitz pilgrimage at the start of a week-long fficial visit to Poland, Germany, Ukraine and Switzerland.

Mr. Assadourian, who is of Armenian descent, said the government can learn from this mistake, however, and establish a national museum to remember all of the victims of racism, including the estimated 1.5 million Armenians who perished in the early 1900s at the hands of the Ottoman regime. (Turkey has never officially recognized the genocide of Armenians and would be upset with Canada if it included Armenians in such a museum.)

Some Jewish leaders say they want a museum to commemorate the suffering and slaughter of about six million European Jews during the Second World War. Moshe Ronen, president of the Canadian Jewish Congress, has said the idea of a genocide museum to commemorate all victims is a good one, but it should not substitute for a distinct memorial museum for the Jewish Holocaust.

Mr. Assadourian said he doubts the government will build two museums. And it shouldn't build one that is for a single ethnic or cultural group. "You can't say one group of victims is more worthy than another."



This sort of superiority of the Jewish people is what bugs me and the naives such as yourselves that put up with this crap makes my blood boil.

[cstaylor]

Jack, you're not Assyrian are you?

[Jack]

Jack, you're not Assyrian are you?

NO, I am not. Would that make a difference? My views are sharp on the edges and politically incorrect because I refuse to be subdued and taken advantage of. My stockbroker is a Jew and so are many of my clients. They know how I think and we discuss those issues together and we disagree with each other. The (the Jewish people that I know) have told me point blank that "only the holocaust should be recognized" as a genocide or else it diminishes its importance. That is a common view in the Jewsih community. Can you believe that load of arrogance? They use films, news reporting, TV and whatever media they can to advance that point. If a newspaper carries a pro-Arab story, Jewish companies threaten to not advertise in it.

[cstaylor]

Jack, you're not Assyrian are you?

NO, I am not. Would that make a difference?

Sorry, just asking. A coworker of mine was a Christian from Iran, but ethnically she was Assyrian. Since you said you were a Christian with a family background from the Middle East, I thought you might be too.

[kamome]

The (the Jewish people that I know) have told me point blank that "only the holocaust should be recognized" as a genocide or else it diminishes its importance. That is a common view in the Jewsih community. Can you believe that load of arrogance?

You obviously know very few Jewish people.

And you should hesitate to infer from the opinions of a few that an entire community of people speak with one voice on the subject. Would knowing a few black people suddenly entitle you to claim that you understand "their inner thinking" as you so patronizingly put it? No.

Here's where the Jewish conspiracy theory you espouse is so wrong: Jews don't have one particular "inner thinking". Just like Christians and Arabs don't either. But it is convenient for you to claim so, because it would justify your suspicion and condemnation if it were true.

[Gaisaradatsuraku!]

The (the Jewish people that I know) have told me point blank that "only the holocaust should be recognized" as a genocide or else it diminishes its importance. That is a common view in the Jewsih community. Can you believe that load of arrogance?

You obviously know very few Jewish people.

And you should hesitate to infer from the opinions of a few that an entire community of people speak with one voice on the subject. Would knowing a few black people suddenly entitle you to claim that you understand "their inner thinking" as you so patronizingly put it? No.

Here's where the Jewish conspiracy theory you espouse is so wrong: Jews don't have one particular "inner thinking". Just like Christians and Arabs don't either. But it is convenient for you to claim so, because it would justify your suspicion and condemnation if it were true.

Actually, all he said is that it is a "common view." He didn't say everyone felt this way.

[Jack]

The (the Jewish people that I know) have told me point blank that "only the holocaust should be recognized" as a genocide or else it diminishes its importance. That is a common view in the Jewsih community. Can you believe that load of arrogance?

You obviously know very few Jewish people.

And you should hesitate to infer from the opinions of a few that an entire community of people speak with one voice on the subject. Would knowing a few black people suddenly entitle you to claim that you understand "their inner thinking" as you so patronizingly put it? No.

Here's where the Jewish conspiracy theory you espouse is so wrong: Jews don't have one particular "inner thinking". Just like Christians and Arabs don't either. But it is convenient for you to claim so, because it would justify your suspicion and condemnation if it were true.

Let me give you a lesson in statistics Einstein. You cannot ask every single person in the world or in a community for their opinion because it is not feasable. What you do is take a sample of the fucking population and conduct a survey. You then extrapolate the result for the whole popualtion. If 20% of 100 people said something, then 20% of the population, more or less, will say the same thing. Bottom line is that you CAN generalize based on your sample population. Dig it? Or is that too difficult for you? In the article I posted the fucking representative of a Jewish community is saying that the Jewish Holocaust is not the same as other genocides. He represents his people. Argue with him you dumb South American red ant.

Now I know who the smart ones are on this forum. Gai is one of them.

[omae mona]

Let me give you a lesson in statistics Einstein. You cannot ask every single person in the world or in a community for their opinion because it is not feasable. What you do is take a sample of the fucking population and conduct a survey. You then extrapolate the result for the whole popualtion. If 20% of 100 people said something, then 20% of the population, more or less, will say the same thing.

Um, no.

Sigh... I was planning to stay out of this, but this conversation looked just way too fun to stand by and watch!!

Let's, for a moment, go beyond the statistics we learned in 6th grade and move on to, say, high school statistics. We need to brush up a little bit on a concept called "statistical significance". The significance of a statistic is related to the sample size and the strength of the relationship you found. Bigger sample size means more significance, and stronger relationships mean more significance. Let's take a look at those two factors:

Sample size: um, you chose maybe 2-3, the Jewish people you know. Quick web search tells me there are about 13 million Jews in the world at the moment. Doesn't sound like you did too well here. I also highly doubt the accuracy / truthfulness of the samples you took for a number of reasons, personally.

Strength of relationship: OK. Sorry, but the statement that only one genocide should be recognized cannot be considered strong. It's unclear what it even means (what, do you think they are saying "pretend no other groups have been killed in large numbers"?)

Let's do an example. If they were claiming something drastically different from what you think the average opinion is (e.g. they said "the world is made out of hamburger buns") then you would be able to assign more significance. Compare these two situations:

1) You talk to 3 Jewish lawyers, Hollywood producers, and other conspirators out to ruin your life. All three think the world is made out of hamburger buns, and you claim "they all think the world is made out of hamburger buns".

2) 3 out of 3 vote Republican and you claim "they all vote Republican"

Which claim is more likely to be right? The answer is #1, your conclusion that Jews think the world is made of hamburger buns. In #2, it's very likely it was a fluke and you just picked 3 Republicans. You need way more sample points to be able to prove a small deviation from the mean.


So,

Bottom line is that you CAN generalize based on your sample population. Dig it?

No, we don't dig it. Only true for a large sample or strong relations, neither of which are present in your case.

Is that too difficult for YOU?

OK, that's it... I am going to go post something FUN now. Just you watch!!!

[omae mona]

I forgot to add... I would really appreciate if somebody who actually knows something about statistics (i.e. not me) would correct what I wrote. As I will remind you many times, my IQ is approximately 68, and I need help.

[kamome]

What you do is take a sample of the fucking population and conduct a survey. You then extrapolate the result for the whole popualtion. If 20% of 100 people said something, then 20% of the population, more or less, will say the same thing.

Um, no.

We need to brush up a little bit on a concept called "statistical significance"....

Sample size: um, you chose maybe 2-3...

Strength of relationship: OK. Sorry, but the statement that only one genocide should be recognized cannot be considered strong.

You need way more sample points to be able to prove a small deviation from the mean.

Is that too difficult for YOU?

Wow. Beautifully written.

---
Hey, Jack...you're really quite amusing: the more you spew in this thread, the bigger the hole you dig for yourself. Just keep on talking about how much you "know", dude.

[cstaylor]

Omae mona, don't forget that choosing a random sample is very important as well. Jack's Jewish associates may all be Jewish radicals, which poisons the pool for a real statistical calculation. He would need to randomly choose Jews off the street that he doesn't know. Even then, the sample size isn't right because he may only be getting the opinion of local Jews, not worldwide (and that's his conspiracy right? A worldwide Jewish conspiracy).

[Big Booger]

you are all the fetid shit that I call human.. Being Klingon helps me to see the evil in your ways.. Bow down to the Klingon Empire!

[Jack]

You guys are dumber than I thought if you do not know what the real jewish thinking is. In my post I did not say that jews do not accept that other people have been killed in large numbers, they just don't want their deaths to be recognized along with Jewish deaths. Jews are superior never forget that.

I never mentioned a conspiracy theory regarding jewish people. They have already won control of the USA. Ariel Sharon visits the White House as often as he wants. He can meet with the President at will. Which other leader can claim to be able to meet the President of the USA on a moment's notice.

Take your fucking blinders off.

[cstaylor]

Which other leader can claim to be able to meet the President of the USA on a moment's notice.

Tony Blair.

[Jack]

Bullshit, Sharon has met with Bush 7 times so far this year. Blair has not met him as often. Furthermore, Israel is a country of 3 or 4 million people not a G-7 country.

By the way for the statistics geniuses on this forum. Sometimes your sample size does not have to be as large to be representative of a population because the population may not be as diverse like Jews. I will tell you this. Ask American Oyaji what he thinks of the treatment of Blacks in America, his answer would be shared by the majority of American blacks.

I rest my fucking case.