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Postby AlbertSiegel » Wed Feb 23, 2011 6:50 am

McTojo wrote:Marry your own kind. I don't feel for the father. He sounds like a sad little broken heart was was taken advantage of by a selfish Japanese lady. :rofl:


What if I'm a mix? Do I get to pick the kind or must my kind also be mixed?
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Postby Yokohammer » Wed Feb 23, 2011 9:22 am

Pearse wrote:I hope Amnesty International or other international rights groups get on Japan about their inhumane treatment of people who haven't even been convicted yet.

As far as I know, they and just about everyone else with a voice has been trying to pressure Japan on issues like this for years. Not much success though.
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Postby Mulboyne » Wed Feb 23, 2011 3:20 pm

Mainichi: Lawyers press for child's best interest under int'l custody pact
Japanese lawyers said Tuesday they have urged the government to try to secure children's best interests if it decides to sign an international convention designed to help resolve cases in which foreign parents are prevented from seeing children "abducted" to Japan after their marriages with Japanese nationals fail. The Japan Federation of Bar Associations said in a paper submitted to the foreign and justice ministries and the Cabinet Secretariat that Tokyo should guarantee in its domestic law that children should not be returned to their habitual country of residence if they are found to have been abused or subject to violence.

Satoshi Mukai, a JFBA vice president, told a press conference that even though member lawyers are divided over whether Japan should join the 1980 Hague Convention on the Civil Aspects of International Child Abduction, they compiled the paper to influence ongoing discussions at the government task force on the convention. The treaty, which currently has 84 parties, stipulates rules and procedures for the prompt return of children to their habitual country of residence when wrongfully removed or retained in the case of an international divorce.

The government launched the task force comprising senior vice ministers in January to examine whether Tokyo should accede to the treaty. Japan is the only country among the Group of Seven major economies that has not signed the pact and it has been under international pressure to join the treaty.The report said Japan should stipulate in domestic laws guaranteeing the implementation of the Hague Convention that children's opinions will be appropriately heard and respected when authorities make a judgment on their return to their habitual country of residence.

The lawyers also said the legislation should make it clear that the Hague Convention is not retroactive, or only applies to wrongful child removals or retentions that occur after its entry into force in Japan and that it exempts parental child abduction cases that occur domestically. They called on the government to raise public awareness of the Hague Convention and set a three-year preparation period before the treaty takes effect in Japan.

Whether to join the Hague Convention has triggered a heated debate in Japan, where it is customary for mothers to take sole care of children after divorces. It is not unusual for children to stop seeing their fathers after their parents break up. Some critics in Japan argue that even though the pact says children will not be returned to their habitual country of residence if there is "a grave risk of physical or psychological harm," past judgments have been made based on "limited interpretations" of the clause.

The JFBA urged the nation's diplomatic missions abroad to provide necessary assistance to Japanese nationals who are involved in child custody disputes. Naoki Idei, a member of the JFBA's working group on the Hague Convention, said many member lawyers are concerned the treaty could endanger Japanese parents and their children who have fled abusive relationships.

As a legal remedy, the lawyers' group called on the Japanese government to ratify optional protocols of international human rights treaties that enable individuals to file complaints for violations of their rights. Idei said such a mechanism would help redress the situation of parents and children when a return to a child's habitual country of residence is ordered under the Hague Convention despite claims of abuse.
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Postby nysprtslvr » Wed Feb 23, 2011 3:42 pm

He has never harmed his wife. Only one side of the story is being told. He has not had the chance to say a word and being in the condition he is in, we wonder how he will be able to defend himself.

Does anyone know who to contact at Amnesty International? How can we draw attention to this craziness?

I have been reading on the internet about this issue and other childrens' issues in Japan and I am shocked. I am shocked that so many children are being denied of their basic rights like access to both parents. Could someone contact Amy Savio? Maybe families who have lost so much could benefit from the suffering that is going on here and maybe we can give him what he needs to defend himself and get healthy again.

Thank you so much. JT
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Postby Samurai_Jerk » Wed Feb 23, 2011 4:25 pm

Since Japan refuses to play ball and it's embassies are complicit, all countries who give a shit should basically make it so that any Japanese national with a child or children by one of their citizens should be forbidden from international travel withouth the express permission of their spouse or the court. Even if as far as everyone knows the marriage is fine and there is no danger of child abduction.
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Postby AML » Wed Feb 23, 2011 5:00 pm

I wonder if Leah Dizons ex j husband will attempt to kidnap his daughter back to japan? :)

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Postby matsuki » Thu Feb 24, 2011 11:41 am

Samurai_Jerk wrote:Since Japan refuses to play ball and it's embassies are complicit, all countries who give a shit should basically make it so that any Japanese national with a child or children by one of their citizens should be forbidden from international travel withouth the express permission of their spouse or the court. Even if as far as everyone knows the marriage is fine and there is no danger of child abduction.


THIS....or we could not register the children as Japanese? Would lose alot of benefits and such but if enough people refused to register the children as Japanese, the population decline might increase and pressure the J Gov to change their position.

AML wrote:I wonder if Leah Dizons ex j husband will attempt to kidnap his daughter back to japan? :)

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One can only hope :rofl:
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Postby Fullback » Thu Mar 03, 2011 4:00 pm

I've seen this first hand - sister-in-law and husband, both Japanese.

The worthless, aho husband took the infant daughter and ran off to his parents, so his mother could look after her. The wife had to go through the family court and eventually got custody. It took about 8 months to work through the court and the wife didn't have to pay for a lawyer. A social worker represented her and did all the paperwork and filing.

The system seems to be that unless the mother is demonstrably nuts, doesn't want the child or abusive, she gets custody.
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Postby Catoneinutica » Thu Mar 03, 2011 5:40 pm

Taro Toporific wrote:Just when you thought that Hague Convention had made some headway....


Ah, a roman a clef from der Debito...
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Postby AssKissinger » Thu Mar 03, 2011 8:15 pm

Samurai_Jerk wrote:Since Japan refuses to play ball and it's embassies are complicit, all countries who give a shit should basically make it so that any Japanese national with a child or children by one of their citizens should be forbidden from international travel withouth the express permission of their spouse or the court. Even if as far as everyone knows the marriage is fine and there is no danger of child abduction.


I don't want America to do that. I'm glad these kids are some other country's problems. With these kinds of dipshit parents they're going to be totally fucking useless anyway.
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Postby matsuki » Fri Mar 04, 2011 1:28 pm

AssKissinger wrote:I don't want America to do that. I'm glad these kids are some other country's problems. With these kinds of dipshit parents they're going to be totally fucking useless anyway.


LOL, well, at least one of them is. SJ's recommendation won't work so easily though, if they are traveling on a Japanese passport. Seems like the only way to be safe is not register the child as a citizen in Japan.
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Postby IparryU » Fri Mar 04, 2011 1:42 pm

chokonen888 wrote:LOL, well, at least one of them is. SJ's recommendation won't work so easily though, if they are traveling on a Japanese passport. Seems like the only way to be safe is not register the child as a citizen in Japan.


i had my kids register as Japanese citizens to ease paperwork and for schooling purposes (if they for some fucked reason want to go to a jap private school...)

I DID NOT GET THEM THEIR JAP PASSPORT

I got their USofA SSN, report of birth abroad, passport, and birth cert.

if my wife wanted to fuck me over, she still could sad to say.
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Postby Samurai_Jerk » Fri Mar 04, 2011 2:02 pm

chokonen888 wrote:SJ's recommendation won't work so easily though, if they are traveling on a Japanese passport.


I think you need to work on your reading comprehension skills.
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Postby matsuki » Mon Mar 07, 2011 12:33 pm

Samurai_Jerk wrote:I think you need to work on your reading comprehension skills.


LOL, damn you and your sneaky wording. You're right, I misread like a retard. I reread, and I agree :clap:
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Postby IparryU » Mon Mar 07, 2011 7:29 pm

chokonen888 wrote:LOL, damn you and your sneaky wording. You're right, I misread like a retard. I reread, and I agree :clap:

ya... SJ is quite good at that
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Postby Greji » Mon Mar 07, 2011 8:14 pm

IparryU wrote:i had my kids register as Japanese citizens to ease paperwork and for schooling purposes (if they for some fucked reason want to go to a jap private school...)

I DID NOT GET THEM THEIR JAP PASSPORT

I got their USofA SSN, report of birth abroad, passport, and birth cert.

if my wife wanted to fuck me over, she still could sad to say.


Don't hurt for them to have JPN passports and in fact, it is to the kid's advantage, but you just have to keep your dick skinners wrapped around them, so if mom changes her mind, you gotta them in your possession.
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Postby Yokohammer » Thu Mar 10, 2011 3:20 pm

Three Japanese mothers have urged the j-government not to sign the Hague treaty.

"If Japan were to sign the Hague Convention . . . (my child would) be forced to live with an abusive father and be exposed to violence again," the woman said. "And I will become a (declared) criminal."

The rest here ...

Yeah, great, so to me that sounds like "let's keep Japan as a safe haven for Japanese nationals (a.k.a child abductors) who want to escape foreign tyranny (and thumb their noses at international law). Don't give them damn foreign fathers any legal access whatsoever! They're all scum!"

Smart, eh? :rolleyes:
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Postby Mock Cockpit » Thu Mar 10, 2011 6:42 pm

I was a little surprised the first time I took my elder boy to Australia by myself how little interest was shown not only in Japan but also in Singapore and Australia. The second time I took both boys and again nothing was said at all. So I guess this door can swing both ways. If you can get the passports you can certainly get the kids out of Japan.
That having been said, even if my wife went completely nuts/ ran off whatever, I'd still stay in Japan until the kids were old enough to make their own decisions about things.
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Postby Typhoon » Fri Mar 11, 2011 1:02 am

Mock Cockpit wrote:I was a little surprised the first time I took my elder boy to Australia by myself how little interest was shown not only in Japan but also in Singapore and Australia. The second time I took both boys and again nothing was said at all. So I guess this door can swing both ways. If you can get the passports you can certainly get the kids out of Japan.

That having been said, even if my wife went completely nuts/ ran off whatever, I'd still stay in Japan until the kids were old enough to make their own decisions about things.


Not that I would wish it on anyone, but if she went completely nuts and/or ran off with the kids their decisions would probably be made for them as there is a high chance that you would not have any access to present them with a future choice.
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Postby wuchan » Fri Mar 11, 2011 1:37 am

Mock Cockpit wrote:I was a little surprised the first time I took my elder boy to Australia by myself how little interest was shown not only in Japan but also in Singapore and Australia. The second time I took both boys and again nothing was said at all. So I guess this door can swing both ways. If you can get the passports you can certainly get the kids out of Japan.
That having been said, even if my wife went completely nuts/ ran off whatever, I'd still stay in Japan until the kids were old enough to make their own decisions about things.

Keep in mind that the age of seniority in japan is 20. People under 20 in japan are 100% subject to their legal guardian's decisions and must comply to the guardian's orders. Even if a 16-19 year old person wants to live with the other parent, the court has very little power to enforce the decision.
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Postby Mock Cockpit » Fri Mar 11, 2011 9:08 am

Typhoon wrote:Not that I would wish it on anyone, but if she went completely nuts and/or ran off with the kids their decisions would probably be made for them as there is a high chance that you would not have any access to present them with a future choice.

The point I was trying to make was that as things stand now I could take my kids out of Japan and there's nothing she could do about it. Her going nuts/ running off (with another bloke) refers to a scenario where I'm left with the kids. It's all academic though as none of those things are going to happen.
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Postby matsuki » Fri Mar 11, 2011 9:59 am

Yokohammer wrote:"If Japan were to sign the Hague Convention . . . (my child would) be forced to live with an abusive father and be exposed to violence again," the woman said. "And I will become a (declared) criminal."


Hahahaha, you are a criminal and is anyone should be exposed to violence it's you. :liar: every divorcee/single mother in Japan has the same set of "poor me" sympathy excuses.....drinking, gambling, cheating, and violence...then they usually have well rehearsed excuses as to why they were with someone as bad as they just described in the first place. :zzz:

Of course, I'm sure no evidence of the alleged abuse was presented. If the fathers cared enough to fight that hard for their children, not very likely they're the abusive type.
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Postby IparryU » Fri Mar 11, 2011 10:46 am

chokonen888 wrote:Hahahaha, you are a criminal and is anyone should be exposed to violence it's you. :liar: every divorcee/single mother in Japan has the same set of "poor me" sympathy excuses.....drinking, gambling, cheating, and violence...then they usually have well rehearsed excuses as to why they were with someone as bad as they just described in the first place. :zzz:

Of course, I'm sure no evidence of the alleged abuse was presented. If the fathers cared enough to fight that hard for their children, not very likely they're the abusive type.


i tried to say that to my mother in law and she acted like japanese dads pay child support and try to be a part of their kid's life...
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Postby Mulboyne » Sun Apr 17, 2011 10:40 pm

AFP: US dad sues Japan Airlines after ex-wife left with son
A US man has sued Japan Airlines, claiming it wrongfully helped his Japanese ex-wife leave the United States with their son, despite court orders that the child remain in California. Scott Sawyer alleges the airline and a US travel agency agency knowingly assisted his ex-wife, Japanese national Kyoko Sawyer, take their son Wayne to Japan in December 2008 when the boy was two years old. "There is a long list of red flags that existed in this case that should have caused the airline and travel agency to do something," lawyer Mark Meuser told AFP on Saturday. The companies were "deliberately turning blind eyes to the known parental kidnapping problem endemic to Japan and the warning signals surrounding this case," Meuser added in a statement...

...The lawsuit was filed this week in Los Angeles Superior Court, which in 2008 approved the divorce and granted shared custody of Wayne, who is now four years old. Sawyer's ex-wife had been ordered to turn in her passport and to not travel with the boy outside five counties in and around Los Angeles, Meuser told AFP. But she left San Francisco on a flight to Japan after having obtained a Japanese passport for her son just days prior, Meuser said.

Meuser said there is no law requiring the airline and travel agency to check custody issues on travel from the United States to Japan, but said they should be held responsible nonetheless. "They should have flagged everybody," he said. "Wayne has red hair. He's clearly bi-racial and he's going to a country known to have problems with parental kidnapping. They had all the warning signs." Sawyer's lawyers said airlines and travel agencies should require parents traveling alone with a minor child to Japan to obtain legal approval from the non-traveling parent authorizing the child's trip...more...
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Postby Samurai_Jerk » Mon Apr 18, 2011 12:07 am

Mulboyne wrote:AFP: US dad sues Japan Airlines after ex-wife left with son


I feel for the guy but I don't think the kids appearance should be a red flag.
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Postby Kuang_Grade » Mon Apr 18, 2011 2:19 am

A brand new J passport for a child with no US entry stamp should have been enough to set off some hard questions
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