Tohoku Earthquake, Tsunami and Nuclear Disaster!!!

by **Taka-Okami** » Sat Mar 12, 2011 7:40 pm

Looks like the Engineers fucked up their calcs.

by **AssKissinger** » Sat Mar 12, 2011 7:44 pm

I'm surprised they're still estimating the death toll at only 1,000. If it is that low then props to Japan.

by **Takechanpoo** » Sat Mar 12, 2011 7:46 pm

meltdown started!!!

by **Coligny** » Sat Mar 12, 2011 7:46 pm

AML wrote:I still dont understand how they could let it get this bad (power plant)

What, did they sit down for a group meeting like they always do rather than act?

Quite surprising... in a way... Before Gorbatchev blasted away the Soviet administrative due process things were quite slow back then. Anybody with the slightest relation to the event not vaporized yet was trying to cover his ass. But even top nuclear scientists were as clueless as kids on their first day at school.

Here that fact that power generators were not airlifted on the spot as soon as the primary ones failed is minboggling. At worse any sub or nuclear powered cruiser can be used to jumpstart the plant.
Time to stock on caulk and duck tape guys.

by **Cyka UchuuJin** » Sat Mar 12, 2011 7:47 pm

UchuuJin checking in. Was at our Gotanda showroom about to head back down to Osaka to pack up and get back to Tokyo this morning for my flight that (was) tomorrow morning out of Narita. Got to have a full 4 hours of fun at Shinagawa station and a hike back to Gotanda for the night.

Unbelievably saddened about the reactor, I feel like a child again in Moscow when the Chernobyl news broke.

Still no word from Yokohammer???

by **Greji** » Sat Mar 12, 2011 7:50 pm

MaxPower wrote:Starting to feel pretty uneasy about this power plant situation.

It'll be all right. It'll also be easier to spot the Tohoku hookers in Roppongi with their nice glow....
:smoking:

by **MaxPower** » Sat Mar 12, 2011 7:51 pm

AssKissinger wrote:I'm surprised they're still estimating the death toll at only 1,000. If it is that low then props to Japan.

It does seem incredibly low given some of the footage doesn't it. They are reporting that they relieved the pressure at the plant... let's hope its not BS.

by **Tsuru** » Sat Mar 12, 2011 7:54 pm

MaxPower wrote:It does seem incredibly low given some of the footage doesn't it. They are reporting that they relieved the pressure at the plant... let's hope its not BS.

I think we all saw the pressure relieve itself quite well indeed. The problem now is still the loss of coolant and the rods melting that they were talking about all afternoon.... did they mention anything about that?

by **dimwit** » Sat Mar 12, 2011 7:56 pm

Catoneinutica wrote:Well, the J-gov't would certainly have an incentive in playing down this catastrophic failure of J-nuke design. Nonetheless, I don't think exports of Japanese reactor technology are going to be booming in the coming years.

No n-plant in any country is or can be designed to withstand an 8.8 earthquake. Some engineers might like to delude themselves into believing it is so, but the nuclears engineers I have taught in Matsuyama have quite candidly told me that for any quake above magnitude 8 the bets are off.

by **MaxPower** » Sat Mar 12, 2011 8:02 pm

Tsuru wrote:I think we all saw the pressure relieve itself quite well indeed. The problem now is still the loss of coolant and the rods melting that they were talking about all afternoon.... did they mention anything about that?

No idea right now... sorry.

by **Catoneinutica** » Sat Mar 12, 2011 8:10 pm

dimwit wrote:No n-plant in any country is or can be designed to withstand an 8.8 earthquake. Some engineers might like to delude themselves into believing it is so, but the nuclears engineers I have taught in Matsuyama have quite candidly told me that for any quake above magnitude 8 the bets are off.

I can imagine an 8.8 would pulverise anything above it; the epicenter was out in the pacific, though, so what the reactors experienced would've been a good deal attenuated, would it not?

by **Taka-Okami** » Sat Mar 12, 2011 8:11 pm

dimwit wrote:No n-plant in any country is or can be designed to withstand an 8.8 earthquake. Some engineers might like to delude themselves into believing it is so, but the nuclears engineers I have taught in Matsuyama have quite candidly told me that for any quake above magnitude 8 the bets are off.

It wouldnt have been 8.8 at the site. Probably what happend was they were trying to releave the pressure, but the relief system could only discharge so much gas and couldnt keep up with the amount of gas being generated, thus the pressure built up reaching the fail limits of the structure. Just like in water engineering when you design for a 1-in-100 year rainfall event, and then a 1-in-1000 year event occurs, then you're gonna flood. The engineers would have designed the relief system to some limit, multiplied by 3, but still wasn't enough.

by **Coligny** » Sat Mar 12, 2011 8:14 pm

dimwit wrote:No n-plant in any country is or can be designed to withstand an 8.8 earthquake. Some engineers might like to delude themselves into believing it is so, but the nuclears engineers I have taught in Matsuyama have quite candidly told me that for any quake above magnitude 8 the bets are off.

The quake was not 8.8 at the plant.

From what we seems to know now...

The quake stopped the plant who copped quite well

The tsunami ruined the A.P.U. in charge of powering the cooling while the plant was down. Nothing talks aboot damage in the cooling system due to the quake itself.

The hard part seems to have been done well (quake/nuke)... it's the stuppidly easy part (APU/water) that seems to have been fucked up.

by **dimwit** » Sat Mar 12, 2011 8:27 pm

[quote="Catoneinutica"]I can imagine an 8.8 would pulverise anything above it]

First of all, when you are dealing with quakes of this magnitude they are not really point epicentered, but occur as a tear over a large plane. Even given that, I would assume that the distance from the plant to the source would result in a decrease of an order in magnitude. Still that puts it at a very high 7, big enough to be very borderline.

by **Taka-Okami** » Sat Mar 12, 2011 8:34 pm

I've always said using one of the most hazardous substances known to man to simply boil water, is fucked in the head.

by **Coligny** » Sat Mar 12, 2011 8:41 pm

More joy along the way, all gps device will need update, the country seems to have moved 2,4 meters away.
http://goo.gl/oUvOq

by **canman** » Sat Mar 12, 2011 8:50 pm

by **Greji** » Sat Mar 12, 2011 9:09 pm

by **Greji** » Sat Mar 12, 2011 9:11 pm

The US Embassy just issued the following warden:

".....This warden message is being issued to alert U.S. citizens residing or traveling in Fukushima Prefecture in Japan that the Japan Nuclear Industrial Safety Agency (NISA) has recommended that people who live within 20 kilometers of the Fukushima Nuclear Power Plant in Okumacho evacuate the area immediately.

Please disseminate this message to U.S. citizens in your organizations or to other Americans you know that live or may travel to the affected region....."
:cool:

by **Cyka UchuuJin** » Sat Mar 12, 2011 9:13 pm

by **Fullback** » Sat Mar 12, 2011 9:26 pm

Stop the meltdown nonsense.

The outer building was damaged, but the containment vessel and reactor vessel are intact. The explosion will likely be found to be from hydrogen.

Seawater is being used to reduce the temperature in the reactor.

The evacuation is prudent because we're in special times and circumstances with a once-in-a-millennium event, but you guys are jumping a little ahead of the game.

If you want to speculate, speculate about Monday and the next decade. This will change the entire energy system of Japan. What happens when factories open, shopping centers open, all the trains run, lights are on, heaters and air conditioning is running?

We're headed to a decade or more of painful energy cuts. TEPCO can't generate enough power to meet demand with most Kanto businesses closed today. What about next week?

Energy prices are going to skyrocket. The anti-nuclear lobby will force more gas and oil generation. It looks like small-scale solar for shops and homes may finally become cost efficient soon.

by **Takechanpoo** » Sat Mar 12, 2011 9:27 pm

Fukushima n-plants designers press conference at Ustream
http://www.ustream.tv/channel/iwakamiyasumi

by **Coligny** » Sat Mar 12, 2011 9:43 pm

Fullback wrote:Stop the meltdown nonsense.

The outer building was damaged, but the containment dome and reactor vessel are intact. The explosion will likely be found to be from hydrogen.

Seawater is being used to reduce the temperature in the reactor.

The evacuation is prudent because we're in special times and circumstances with a once-in-a-millennium event, but you guys are jumping a little ahead of the game.

If you want to speculate, speculate about Monday and the next decade. This will change the entire energy system of Japan. What happens when factories open, shopping centers open, all the trains run, lights are on, heaters and air conditioning is running?

We're headed to a decade or more of painful energy cuts. TEPCO can't generate enough power to meet demand with most Kanto businesses closed today. What about next week?

Energy prices are going to skyrocket. The anti-nuclear lobby will force more gas and oil generation. It looks like small-scale solar for shops and homes may finally become cost efficient soon.

Not sure at all. a 70 era plant got hiccups... that might lead to smarter design being adopted... exactly like this: http://goo.gl/3sA6g

Building a land based power plant in open air, then trying to make it 'event' proof might be a thing of the past. Using nuclear energy to 'just boil water' is still quite a good way to make electricity. It has worked extremly well in aircraft carrier and subs. The biggest problem I still see is having private companies managing this... you can't be 100% safe when your priority is to make a quick buck...

by **Mock Cockpit** » Sat Mar 12, 2011 10:14 pm

by **FG Lurker** » Sat Mar 12, 2011 10:19 pm

Taka-Okami wrote:I've always said using one of the most hazardous substances known to man to simply boil water, is fucked in the head.

I'm sure everyone (literally, everyone) would love to hear your thoughts for a replacement that can generate similar quantities of electricity for similar costs and with similar amounts of pollution.

by **FG Lurker** » Sat Mar 12, 2011 10:22 pm

canman wrote:Good to be back in the land of the living.

Great to hear that you're safe!!

by **FG Lurker** » Sat Mar 12, 2011 10:25 pm

Coligny wrote:More joy along the way, all gps device will need update, the country seems to have moved 2,4 meters away.
http://goo.gl/oUvOq

That is definitely going to be weird. Any GPS device will of course know exactly where it is at a given time but all the maps and locations will be off by a couple of meters.

by **matsuki** » Sat Mar 12, 2011 10:32 pm

WTF is with all the reporters wearing hard hats in their studios? Looks so overdramatic and retarded when no one in the background seems to care to put on the same prop....also, I think i just saw a kabukicho host reporting on tbs. WTF?

by **Mock Cockpit** » Sat Mar 12, 2011 10:36 pm

chokonen888 wrote:WTF is with all the reporters wearing hard hats in their studios? Looks so overdramatic and retarded when no one in the background seems to care to put on the same prop....also, I think i just saw a kabukicho host reporting on tbs. WTF?

Yeah I noticed that too. How unlike the media to treat everyone like they're fucking idiots.

by **Fullback** » Sat Mar 12, 2011 10:41 pm

The reporters are sitting under banks of lights. The people in the background are not. Did you notice we're still having quakes?

It makes perfect sense that you should be treated like a fucking idiot.

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