Tohoku Earthquake, Tsunami and Nuclear Disaster!!!

[Jack]

[quote="omae mona"]I kind of prefer this to the way they do it in my country. We tend to project 100% confidence that we know exactly what we are doing and have everything completely under control, when in fact everything is out of control. Actually I think the honesty of the officials in Japan has been refreshing. Obviously it would be best if they truly knew what they are doing. But since they don't, I am glad they are not lying about it.

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You are bang on this one. The government has not been hiding anything. They just don't have the answers. Compare that to the supposed U.S. experts on CNN who seem to have all the answers by what they are hearing in news reports.

[Jack]

I'm sorry. I shouldn't have asked those questions. It seems this is a group of people who know each other. Like a private club. I'm not looking for an argument. I was curious and not trying to pick a fight.

Fuck you give up that easily? I've survived on here since 2002 and you have gotten 1/1000000th of the milisieverts I have been served..

[Ketou]

In situations like this no-one wants to hear a bunch of Pointdexters banging on about millisieverst and cesium 101. What they want to hear is the prime minister standing there with a shovel and a bucket saying "we're gonna get this bastard under control even if I have to go down there my own self and pour buckets of water on the muthafukka. I will not rest until every man jack of you are safe". We need the emperor to say he's prepared to go down there and do a royal dump on it if it'll help and most of all we need those TEPCO big wig pricks to be standing at the gate directing operations even if it means their cocks fall off in a month. You are the wankers who are getting paid the big bucks, you went after these positions of power, well boys it ain't all blowjobs from geisha girls and kickbacks from the yakuza. Fucking lead!

So true.
"Everything is rosy" they tell us, while the Emperor quietly slips back to live in Kyoto for the first time in 140 odd years...........

[American Oyaji]

Fuck you give up that easily? I've survived on here since 2002 and you have gotten 1/1000000th of the milisieverts I have been served..

Survived what man?

You haven't been under attack or anything.

[cstaylor]

I've survived on here since 2002 and you have gotten 1/1000000th of the milisieverts I have been served..

This would make a great signature.

[Iraira]

Fuck you give up that easily? I've survived on here since 2002 and you have gotten 1/1000000th of the milisieverts I have been served..

That's true, we really do beat the red snot into Jack.

[Coligny]

[2] With perfect hindsight now I'm sure the Jietai will want to purchase a couple of global hawks for nuclear inspection so they don't have to wait for the U.S. team to get in place. The GOJ should put into law that the Jietai should be available immediately during a similar event in the future.

Yeah, in a country were even crop dusting is done by remote control helicoptere, intimes were unmanned UAV and FPV flights are a growing and financially accessible hobby, you'd think that now they will try to catch up and at leat get themselves some RC retrofit for firetrucks...

I don't think the questions are trollish at all. Slate Hive is running a section right now where readers can suggest solutions to the cooling issues in reactors 3 and 4.

Matter of taste I presume...

[Coligny]

Because Bush was so good at that after 9/11 and Katrina... Sarcasm aside I get what you are saying and really appreciated the Tokyo Fire Dept. press conference yesterday, they did a hell of a job of bringing the info AND we're gonna get this shit under control.

He was eating cake and playing guitar...

XKCD radiation exposure chart explanation:

http://xkcd.com/radiation/

[nikoneko]

Gotta love the xkcd. Bottom line, "If you're basing radiation procedures on an internet PNG image and things go wrong, you have no one to blame but yourself."

[Coligny]

Radiation reading map friday by yomiury shibum (clicky embiggen):

[Brasco]

Yeah, in a country were even crop dusting is done by remote control helicoptere, intimes were unmanned UAV and FPV flights are a growing and financially accessible hobby, you'd think that now they will try to catch up and at leat get themselves some RC retrofit for firetrucks...


Matter of taste I presume...

One of the bonuses of coming to Japan was I was no longer paying for the Napoleonic farm practices of France... everyone farming a plot of land no bigger than my onsen rag.

[ttjereth]

[Brasco]

"The official death toll has now risen to 8,450, with 12,931 people missing.
But there was some good news after an 80-year-old woman and her grandson were found alive in the rubble of Ishinomaki city."

Is it just me?

[Mulboyne]

Liquefaction in Chiba at the time of the earthquake:

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[Caustic Saint]

Liquefaction in Chiba at the time of the earthquake:

I think Chiba (and other reclaimed land areas) are going to be feeling the effects of this one for quite some time. That slide in the ground between :30 and :40 in that video is pretty telling.

Speaking of Chiba, has Disney made any other statements about their operations? I'm willing to bet they were hit harder than they're letting on.

[Mike Oxlong]

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[Mike Oxlong]

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[Caustic Saint]

Here's an email I just got from a Navy friend at 11:20 today:

"Maybe you don't want to keep hearing this. We just got a big sample that looks like it will equate to 2.2 rem to the thyroid per day down here allowing for a 40% fall-off from the point where the reading was taken to down here. We are going to start distributing KI (potassium iodide), I think. The book says when expected dose is 5 rems per day, you should take KI if you are pregnant or under 16. We are looking at 2.2 rems per day in Yokosuka, but another (conservative) school of thought is, you start taking KI well in advance of 5 rems. The significant point is, something is still coming out of these reactors that is not being reported to the press.

Anyway, don't panic. Stay out of the rain, though."

At 11:41 I got this one:

"Phase 1 of the authorized departure of eligible family members starts PROCESSING at noon today, Monday, 21 March.

Phase 1 is Category 1 personnel ONLY whose names are from A-E.

Category 1 personnel are:
* all expectant mothers
* all families with children up to age 2
* all families with special needs children

Only personnel in Category 1, whose names are from A-E should report to the Fleet Recreation Center at noon today for processing.
Please do not bring your luggage. More information will be provided as you process.

If you elect not to depart with your respective phase, you will not depart until Phase 5 (last phase). Stay tuned for more information."

So they're having specified people start their paperwork for a potential evacuation situation. Just family members, and only certain ones at this time. There has been no order given for anybody to evacuate.

From all the information I've received from him since this began, it seems the Navy is erring heavily on the side of caution. Very heavily. They're in a bit of a no-win situation, though. If they use resources preparing for an evacuation that never happens, they're being wasteful. If they wait to long to start the process, they were irresponsible.

I'm posting this just to put more information out there. Bear in mind this is the info he's getting, but put through the "concerned friend" filter. I don't think it's panic-inciting information, but with all that's been going on, I welcome information from as many reliable sources as I can get.

[Jack]

A Chinese friend of mine came to dinner at our place tonight and we were talking about the earthquake and Tsunami. This friend is as much a Japanophile as I am.

Midway through dinner he told my (Japanese) wife that he feels embarrassed to be Chinese given all the negative talk amongst the people in China with regards to the misery in Japan. Some of the stuff he told us that is circulating in emails and in blogs in Chinas is outrageous. Basically the Japanese deserve what they are getting because of what happened 80 years ago blah blah blah. I asked him if he could send me some links which he said he would but they are mostly in Chinese.

I know Chinese people pretty well as I speak the language and first wife was Chinese which is why I asked a question several pages earlier. What I heard from my friend if true, makes me loose all respect for Chinese people. I'll post the links once I get them.

[Mike Oxlong]

[cstaylor]

"Maybe you don't want to keep hearing this. We just got a big sample that looks like it will equate to 2.2 rem to the thyroid per day down here allowing for a 40% fall-off from the point where the reading was taken to down here.

He means if the I-131 is ingested, right? Does your friend have any word on how the base will be scrubbing their water supply?

[Caustic Saint]

He means if the I-131 is ingested, right? Does your friend have any word on how the base will be scrubbing their water supply?

All I know about what they're doing is what was in the 2 emails he sent me, which I quoted in their entirety.

[cstaylor]

Thanks for keeping us informed. So far there's been no detectable caesium found in the Kanagawa-ken water samples yet.

[Coligny]

-Not_a_real_news-:

Latest statement from the French ambassy in Tokyo:

"You have reached the French ambassy in Tokyo, please leave a message after the bip."

//getting bored

[Caustic Saint]

Sorry, time warped double posting.

[legion]

Here's an email I just got from a Navy friend at 11:20 today:

"Maybe you don't want to keep hearing this. We just got a big sample that looks like it will equate to 2.2 rem to the thyroid per day down here allowing for a 40% fall-off from the point where the reading was taken to down here. We are going to start distributing KI (potassium iodide),.....

Is this the same US military that was happily spreading depleted uranium around Basra a few years ago?

[Greji]

Is this the same US military that was happily spreading depleted uranium around Basra a few years ago?

It would seem it is the same. What's your point?

[Cyka UchuuJin]

Great posts guys.

Perhaps the reason there are so many stories in the press as the press have been trolling SNS and BB's like this one for any one who is wanting to tell their story. For example, I got this note on my twitter the other day.



I ignored it.

Cyka somehow was met in the arrivals hall by a TV crew when she touched down in Denmark. She ignored them.

I think we have had a few requests on FG as well.

Tis all kinda dull so I hope that the important stories get out soon. Enough disaster porn already.

I ignored them, but my asshat of a boss decided it was ok for HIM to tell my story to a local newspaper. That one I did not ignore, because he embellished the fuck out of it. And he wasn't even there!!

I can't stress enough (as others have) that sensationalising/panic buying/fear mongering is so counterproductive to the rebuilding process.

[legion]

It would seem it is the same. What's your point?

They were pretty relaxed about it then.

[Caustic Saint]

They were pretty relaxed about it then.

Which has nothing to do with the discussion of current events in Japan.

But if you'd like to keep going on this tangent, by all means. Just start a new topic down in Beyond Fucked, as that's the place for such a discussion.