Tohoku Earthquake, Tsunami and Nuclear Disaster!!!

[cstaylor]

Kenzo Miya, professor emeritus at the University of Tokyo, an expert on nuclear engineering, said the prime minister's inspection delayed TEPCO's original plans to vent the pressure vessel. "Because of the prime minister's [impending] inspection, the start of the 'vent' was delayed. The possibility that the subsequent actions all fell behind can't be denied," Miya said. Haruki Madarame, chairman of the Cabinet Office's Nuclear Safety Commission, also noted the time-loss disadvantage. "Work [to conduct the 'vent'] took time to get under way. As a result, several hours were lost before starting to inject seawater [to cool the reactor]. It was a painful incident," Madarame said, when recalling the situation on the night of March 23.

- Did TEPCO inform the PM that they were going to vent Reactor 1?

[Mulboyne]

[Coligny]

Reading every single headline and repeating them here is informative but all it does is serve to make yourself and the rest of us react in panic mode, which helps nobody.

Disagreed... news agregation is also extremly useful. At the start of this mess I was watching NHK/BBC/AlJazeera/France24 (yeah, no CNN or fox news...) simultaneously 24/24 to try to get an idea of what was really going on. (multiple source/views/discrepancies). That's cool... until you black out on your keyboard... Sharing here the sources and workloads is a better solution.

[cstaylor]

Disagreed... news agregation is also extremly useful. At the start of this mess I was watching NHK/BBC/AlJazeera/France24 (yeah, no CNN or fox news...) simultaneously 24/24 to try to get an idea of what was really going on. (multiple source/views/discrepancies). That's cool... until you black out on your keyboard... Sharing here the sources and workloads is a better solution.

[damn name]

Here are some hi-res aerial photos taken at the plant on different days. The website says these are half size and full size can be downloaded.

http://cryptome.org/eyeball/daiichi-npp/daiichi-photos.htm

[cstaylor]

Once again, a great post! Thanks damn name.

[Yokohammer]

Here are some hi-res aerial photos taken at the plant on different days. The website says these are half size and full size can be downloaded.

Holy crap ... some of those structures are extremely fucked.
Hydrogen explosions eh? Is that included in the standard nuclear power plant "be prepared for possible damage arising from ..." list?

[Coligny]

Holy crap ... some of those structures are extremely fucked.
Hydrogen explosions eh? Is that included in the standard nuclear power plant "be prepared for possible damage arising from ..." list?

1 see one that seems to have blown outer skin as specced (outer one). An two that seems to have fubared beyond expectations... (lower part of the building//supposed containement destroyed)
Also, building #4 show concrete pump truck deployed on some of the shots and it look miserably desperate...

[Mike Oxlong]

[SIZE="4"]Dog rescued at sea 3 weeks after Japan quake[/SIZE]

One more survivor in Japan has been rescued.

The Japanese coast guard on Friday rescued a dog floating in the debris off the coast of Kesennuma, northern Japan. It's unclear if the canine, which was scrambling on the roof of a house that had been washed away, had been at sea for the entire three weeks since the devastating earthquake and tsunami.

The rescue did not come easy. After coast guard rescuers descended from a helicopter onto the house, the dog retreated under the roof and disappeared. The rescuers were unable to lure the dog out but according to NTV, the canine was eventually pulled to safety by a coast guard boat that relieved the helicopter, which was running low on fuel.

The rescue came as Japanese and U.S. military ships and helicopters trolled Japan's tsunami-ravaged coastline looking for bodies. It was part of an all-out three-day search that could be the last chance to find those swept out to sea nearly three weeks ago.

[leitmotiv]

Here are some hi-res aerial photos taken at the plant on different days. The website says these are half size and full size can be downloaded.

http://cryptome.org/eyeball/daiichi-npp/daiichi-photos.htm

The perma-bears at ZeroHedge offer some analysis of those photos.
http://www.zerohedge.com/article/chris-martenson-exclusive-new-photos-fukushima-reactors

[Osakadave]

The perma-bears at ZeroHedge offer some analysis of those photos.
http://www.zerohedge.com/article/chris-martenson-exclusive-new-photos-fukushima-reactors

Thanks, that some very good, sober analysis.

[Mike Oxlong]

[Takechanpoo]

the moment earthquake happened at Aeon of Tagajo, Miyagi pre.

And after this at the same place.....

[cstaylor]

Calling in the Marines!

The advance team has just arrived at Yokota:

A 15-member advance party of a U.S. military radiation control team arrived Saturday at Yokota Air Base in western Tokyo to help Japan deal with its worst nuclear crisis, a U.S. military official said.

The full 155-person Initial Response Force, comprising Marines trained in chemical, biological, radiological, nuclear and high-yield explosion operations is deployed to Yokota from Indian Head, Maryland, the official from Yokota base said.

http://english.kyodonews.jp/news/2011/04/82717.html

[cstaylor]

NEWS ADVISORY: Contaminated water seeping from reactor 2 into sea confirmed: official

http://english.kyodonews.jp/news/

[cstaylor]

Families frustrated by lack of answers from Yokosuka hospital

U.S. Naval Hospital Yokosuka is calling parents of children age 5 and under and recommending that they send their children out of the country, several parents told Stars and Stripes. Other parents at Naval Air Facility Atsugi, which has a clinic operated by the hospital, said they were told that children age 2 and under should leave the country.

From the article, I'm getting the feeling that this is CYA from upper-levels in case something goes wrong later.

http://www.stripes.com/news/pacific/japan/families-frustrated-by-lack-of-answers-from-yokosuka-hospital-1.139699

[omae mona]

From the article, I'm getting the feeling that this is CYA from upper-levels in case something goes wrong later.

In related news, the U.S. military is evacuating all personnel from all other bases, due to the risk of an attack by UFOs.


Notice the response of most of the military parents quoted in the article is "what the f***?", as they are quite smart enough to realize this is not backed up by science or any rational assessment of risk. For god's sake, Yokosuka? Dangerous radiation from Fukushima? Riiiight...

[cstaylor]

Notice the response of most of the military parents quoted in the article is "what the f***?", as they are quite smart enough to realize this is not backed up by science or any rational assessment of risk. For god's sake, Yokosuka? Dangerous radiation from Fukushima? Riiiight...

Did we read the same article? All of the published responses were, "stop hedging and tell us the truth" or "you don't have to tell me twice: I'm outta here!"

The trouble is no one really knows what's going on. Hopefully with increasing gaiatsu TEPCO will be forced to release timely and (hopefully) accurate information.

I mentioned this in passing in a previous post, but the main problem here is TEPCO. If this was JR East I'd feel a lot safer...

[Coligny]

The trouble is no one really knows what's going on. Hopefully with increasing gaiatsu TEPCO will be forced to release timely and (hopefully) accurate information.

Yea, and I ain't Coligny, I'm actually Sheena, queen of the jungle!

[Kanchou]

The workers expect they are going to die


http://www.foxnews.com/world/2011/03/31/japans-nuclear-rescuers-inevitable-die-weeks/?test=latestnews

[Kuang_Grade]

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/earth/japan-killer-quake.html

US PBS TV/UK Channel 4 science program, NOVA has put together a program on the earthquake...While clearly thrown together and is fairly uneven in places, it is covers alot of ground fairly succinctly. I hadn't realized that the geographic spread of the aftershocks was so large.

One of the more interesting things they suggest is that tsunami was made worse because areas of the east coast of japan permanently dropped closer upwards to one meter closer to the sea level due to subsidence from earthquake.

[Coligny]

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/earth/japan-killer-quake.html

US PBS TV/UK Channel 4 science program, NOVA has put together a program on the earthquake...While clearly thrown together and is fairly uneven in places, it is covers alot of ground fairly succinctly. I hadn't realized that the geographic spread of the aftershocks was so large.

One of the more interesting things they suggest is that tsunami was made worse because areas of the east coast of japan permanently dropped closer upwards to one meter closer to the sea level due to subsidence from earthquake.

Not available in japan due to copyright... fracking retards...

If it's the channel 4 doc with the grey curly haired scientist (Roger Bilham, U of Colorado) doing chopper flybys to asses the geological situation it was quite a good one (titled Japan Tsunami How it happened).

Edit, and also the smoking hot japanese female helicopter pilot... when she annouce that they can't got back yet to the heliport because there was a huge aftershosk and the helipad have to be checked first the guy just ask "really !?" and she lavisciously answer with a vanishing "yeeeaaaaa" It totally give me a idea from a new pr0n movie...

[omae mona]

Did we read the same article? All of the published responses were, "stop hedging and tell us the truth" or "you don't have to tell me twice: I'm outta here!"

I think so. There were 3 interviewees. The first seemed to say "this makes no sense and conflicts with what you said before. Tell me why or I assume this is bullshit". The second seemed to have no opinion but said unnamed 3rd parties were panicking (the quote you posted). And the third said "fuck this. We are not evacuating without a damn good reason".

The trouble is no one really knows what's going on.

I totally agree nobody knows what's going on. But the point I am trying to make is that it does not mean ANYTHING can happen. Whatever TEPCO fucks up, it is not going to make the moon explode, make Donald Trump win the next U.S. presidential election, make Pizza-la's pizza taste good, or deliver dangerous amounts of radiation to Yokosuka.

I am happy to go into numbers, previous empirical evidence, and more importantly quote experts if anybody wants to debate this point. But I wish somebody could list ANY scientific basis for a scenario where Tokyo or anything farther away could face dangerous levels of radiation. I'm very open minded but I need something better than "anything could happen". Because anything could NOT happen.

[omae mona]

The mother of one of the workers says her son says the workers expect they are going to die according to the same news organization that thinks there is a nuclear reactor in the middle of Tokyo called "ShibuyaEggman"


http://www.foxnews.com/world/2011/03/31/japans-nuclear-rescuers-inevitable-die-weeks/?test=latestnews

Fixed that for you.

[Catoneinutica]

I think so. There were 3 interviewees. The first seemed to say "this makes no sense and conflicts with what you said before. Tell me why or I assume this is bullshit". The second seemed to have no opinion but said unnamed 3rd parties were panicking (the quote you posted). And the third said "fuck this. We are not evacuating without a damn good reason".



I totally agree nobody knows what's going on. But the point I am trying to make is that it does not mean ANYTHING can happen. Whatever TEPCO fucks up, it is not going to make the moon explode, make Donald Trump win the next U.S. presidential election, make Pizza-la's pizza taste good, or deliver dangerous amounts of radiation to Yokosuka.

I am happy to go into numbers, previous empirical evidence, and more importantly quote experts if anybody wants to debate this point. But I wish somebody could list ANY scientific basis for a scenario where Tokyo or anything farther away could face dangerous levels of radiation. I'm very open minded but I need something better than "anything could happen". Because anything could NOT happen.

A friend of mine in LA with a PhD in physics asked me if we had iodine in case a radioactive plume formed and got blown over Tokyo. I ascribed his question to US nuke hysteria, but...

[CrankyBastard]

[Coligny]

Fixed that for you.

Beware I got grey snotted for saying that I wasn't watching Fox news with a comment "god bless Fox News and the USA"
Lucky I didn't say anything against Dale Earnhardt...

[Coligny]

A friend of mine in LA with a PhD in physics asked me if we had iodine in case a radioactive plume formed and got blown over Tokyo. I ascribed his question to US nuke hysteria, but...

Don't really know for youz... But i'm personnally 20 times much more concerned by tainted cheezeburger from radioactiv beef than anything coming from the reactors... I don't know how Tepco would be able to screw up more than they already did...

[Mike Oxlong]

Not available in japan due to copyright... fracking retards...

Here you are...

[Coligny]

Here you are...

Yes it's this one, the she-pilot speaks at 36:47...