[Split from "Flyjin" thread] Where are we having our children?

[rooboy]

Well, sounds like you are just as stupid.

I meant to say who would go out of their way to give birth somewhere else? In my experience I have heard this only from stupid Japanese chicks who absolutely want to give birth in another country.

Fuck, if you live in Japan so then that's where you give birth. You don't make a special trip to Sydney to give birth and go back to where you live.

You're confused mate - those J chicks are only thinking in terms of options for the future and why not?

I love Japan, its been good to me but c'mon, all the time I hear and read about Asians talking about how fucking great their mono culture is yet many of them want to escape certain restrictions there. If they have the chance and are open minded enough to want to give life in another country a go, why not?

You also don't seem to be up w/ what goes on around the world - the US has already had people who go in there from Mexico to have 'anchor babies' hoping that'll give the kid residency/citizenship, in Oz its happening with fake 'refugees' who've found a great fucking way to invite themselves in (while certified refugees wait in camps patiently to go anywhere that will take em) and some have given birth using the under pressure public health system which is cutting services for Aussies, hell even in Japan it's happened.

How about the visa overstayers from the Middle East and African who've had kids in Japan hoping that this will give em residency rights? Do you know anything about contemporary Japan?

These Japanese you know of are motivated differently and so what?

[FG Lurker]

This happened a few decades ago now, but I remember when I (Australian national, Japan resident) was in Canada. I thought I was pregnant and near full-term. Then, I went into labor...at least that's what I thought was happening. In fact, I was just dropping off a huge, steaming turd. I was so fond of it, though, I called it "Jack."

If only you hadn't forgotten to flush...

[AML]

Well, sounds like you are just as stupid.

I meant to say who would go out of their way to give birth somewhere else? In my experience I have heard this only from stupid Japanese chicks who absolutely want to give birth in another country.

Fuck, if you live in Japan so then that's where you give birth. You don't make a special trip to Sydney to give birth and go back to where you live.

Lets say you give birth in the EU. You have the option of having a EU passport that gives you access to any EU member country. You can live, work, study there without ever needing a visa.

Isnt that more appealing than a single passport to a single country?

Its all about the options!

[Samurai_Jerk]

Lets say you give birth in the EU. You have the option of having a EU passport that gives you access to any EU member country. You can live, work, study there without ever needing a visa.

Isnt that more appealing than a single passport to a single country?

Its all about the options!

Are you confusing the EU with the US?

[cstaylor]

Where ever I hang my fundoshi, thats our home. And thats where we will have our family.

[AML]

Are you confusing the EU with the US?

What? No of course not.
All the countries in Europe (except a few) are members of the E.U.

So in essence all those different passports are EU passports.

You can enter and leave at will. Even non members like Switzerland allow EU members free entry without visa.

Its frickin sweet!

[Jack]

You also don't seem to be up w/ what goes on around the world - the US has already had people who go in there from Mexico to have 'anchor babies' hoping that'll give the kid residency/citizenship, in Oz its happening with fake 'refugees' who've found a great fucking way to invite themselves in (while certified refugees wait in camps patiently to go anywhere that will take em) and some have given birth using the under pressure public health system which is cutting services for Aussies, hell even in Japan it's happened.

Like I said, any self-respecting person. The examples you give are of destitude people which Japanese hardly are.

Anyway, move on. I should have known the IQ level on this board is the same as that of red south american ants with hernia that grow a mole on their rear end.

Here is something else if your little brain can process: all J-chicks that are attracted to foreign guys have a few loose screws in their heads. I had to fuck over 85 of them before I could pick a wife.

[Jack]

What? No of course not.
All the countries in Europe (except a few) are members of the E.U.

So in essence all those different passports are EU passports.

You can enter and leave at will. Even non members like Switzerland allow EU members free entry without visa.

Its frickin sweet!

Then you would have to live in the EU. Who wants to do that?

[omae mona]

Lets say you give birth in the EU. You have the option of having a EU passport that gives you access to any EU member country.

AML, it sounds like you know a bit more about immigration law than the rest of us. First of all, are you saying the mother gets a new passport because she's given birth? That is a new law I haven't heard of yet.

Or did you mean to say YOUR CHILD has the option of having an EU passport? That means EU member countries have a policy of jus soli, right? I guess this means the Wikipedia page of jus soli countries is out-of-date, because I don't think I see any EU members on that page. If you can give us the current list of EU members that have jus soli citizenship laws, we should sign on to Wikipedia to update the inaccurate page.

[Iraira]

Here is something else if your little brain can process: all J-chicks that are attracted to foreign guys have a few loose screws in their heads. I had to fuck over 85 of them before I could pick a wife.

85...interesting number to pick out of a hat.

[AML]

I had to fuck over 85 of them before I could pick a wife.

You found a wife?:confused:

[AML]

AML, it sounds like you know a bit more about immigration law than the rest of us. First of all, are you saying the mother gets a new passport because she's given birth? That is a new law I haven't heard of yet.

Or did you mean to say YOUR CHILD has the option of having an EU passport? That means EU member countries have a policy of jus soli, right? I guess this means the Wikipedia page of jus soli countries is out-of-date, because I don't think I see any EU members on that page. If you can give us the current list of EU members that have jus soli citizenship laws, we should sign on to Wikipedia to update the inaccurate page.

I think the child would have the option, not the mother.

[BigInJapan]

I had to fuck over 85 of them before I could pick a wife.

I'll bet your wife would be ecstatic to learn she was #86.
And, did it never occur to you that maybe the problem wasn't with the women?

[omae mona]

I think the child would have the option, not the mother.

OK, so are you still saying that EU countries have jus soli citizenship laws, so a child earns citizenship just for being born there? It is amazing Wikipedia and all the other sources I have found so far have this information wrong.

Or maybe they're right...

[damn name]

I think the child would have the option, not the mother.

Maybe you should think about it some more.

[GomiGirl]

Just for some background information... being born in a particular country does NOT provide the child with citizenship of that country. This has been the case for many many years.

So for example, my son was born in Japan. Neither his father nor myself are Japanese so we needed to obtain citizenship, passport and a visa for our son from the Australian govt. We also needed to get a gaijin card from the ward office when we registered the birth. The cool thing is that in his Australian passport he has listed his place of birth as Tokyo. That is going to make for some interesting stories when he gets older. But for all intents and purposes, he is as much of an Australian citizen as if he was born Sydney. The J-govt consider him to be a JAG [color="Silver"][SIZE="1"][color="Gray"](just another gaijinTM)[/color][/SIZE][/color] living in Japan.

I have other friends of different nationalities who had their children in Japan and were able to get citizenships of two non-Japanese nations. Again they had to get passports, visas and gaijin cards for their children.

If one parent is Japanese, then this is a totally different story involving the koseki, Japanese passports etc along with the passport of the country of the other parent. The biggest difference is that if one parent is Japanese, the child doesn't require a visa (duh), re-entry or gaijin card.

Also, if a child is born in Australian (for example) to non-Australian parents, then the child does NOT become an Australian citizen.

This is to stop people from hiding a pregnancy in order to give birth in another country in order to gain citizenship. Before this law change there were too many women giving birth on planes trying to fly well past the 36 week limit.

[Samurai_Jerk]

What? No of course not.
All the countries in Europe (except a few) are members of the E.U.

So in essence all those different passports are EU passports.

You can enter and leave at will. Even non members like Switzerland allow EU members free entry without visa.

Its frickin sweet!

That wasn't what I was getting at. See omae mona's post above for my point.

[nikoneko]

Jesus Christ people you don't want to be a part of our world do you? Give it a rest and go back to being European and Australian please.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anchor_baby

[Tsuru]

OK, so are you still saying that EU countries have jus soli citizenship laws, so a child earns citizenship just for being born there? It is amazing Wikipedia and all the other sources I have found so far have this information wrong.

Or maybe they're right...

They are. Most EU nations have the same system as Japan, jus sanguinis. The only difference is that the time required legally residing in an EU member state before EU citizenship may be granted is much, much shorter than when someone wants to acquire Japanese citizenship. And recently I am starting to think the Japanese have the right idea...

Which isn't to say that the right to travel, live, work and do business in whichever EU state you may fancy isn't absolutely awesome. Northern Italy beckons...

[omae mona]

They are.

I know. I was trying to be polite and gently cajole a certain person into reading and learning something, instead of making shit up.

[Yokohammer]

I had to fuck over 85 of them before I could pick a wife.

Oh terrific ... Jack has found yet another way to brag about how many women he [color="gray"](would like us to believe he)[/color] has bedded.

People who grow up with a normal sense of priorities usually leave that shit behind in high school. College for the slow learners.

[SIZE="1"]Operative term in the above statement = "grow up."[/SIZE]

EDIT: I should probably add that if you use sex as the primary criterion for choosing a wife, you're fucked.

[cstaylor]

EDIT: I should probably add that if you use sex as the primary criterion for choosing a wife, you're fucked ([size=-2]until the wedding[/size]).

FTFY.

[Screwed-down Hairdo]

Oh terrific ... Jack has found yet another way to brag about how many women he [color="gray"](would like us to believe he)[/color] has bedded.
EDIT: I should probably add that if you use sex as the primary criterion for choosing a wife, you're fucked.

Sorry to get into semantics here, but you should note that he used the term "fuck over" as opposed to "bed." I "fucked over" literally hundreds of women before I found any of my wives but I didn't necessarily fornicate with them all.
With his universally endearing personality and incomparable ability to stretch lies, I would not be surprised to learn he has, in fact, fucked over 85, and maybe even more.
For my two bob's worth on the primary criterion for choosing a wife (I have got to get a job...too much time on my hands), I wholeheartedly agree on not making it sex (unless she gives tremendous gobbies and takes it up the bunger every now and again), but instead how much money she makes and how much patience she has in providing you with financial support to live exactly the way you wish.

[AML]

[AML]

I know. I was trying to be polite and gently cajole a certain person into reading and learning something, instead of making shit up.

Im not "making shit up"

It is much easier to become a citizen of a country when your born there.

Many people have dual nationality

So instead of constantly throwing big words at people ("jus soli citizenship laws" WTF?)

Try using some common sense....

[matsuki]

Saw this in the past week...

http://www.whittierdailynews.com/news/ci_17710418

Ugh, my parents house is near there. It's like a small version of China, complete with whore houses, sweat shops, and all kinds of Chinese assery as you can see from the article. The only thing it's good for is Dim Sum and the tea houses.

[Samurai_Jerk]

AML,

You're a fucking idiot. Jus soli is what it's called. Do you have some commonly used dumbed-down alternative? If so, please enlighten us.

Anyway, you're changing your tune instead of just admitting you were wrong as usual. Those two J-girls you supposedly know didn't get UK citizenship simply because they were born in the UK. They would have had to have been born in the UK and have spent enough time there to be eligible for citizenship. Being born there may help but how much time you've lived there is a lot more important.

Anyway, you were wrong. Just fucking admit it.

[Screwed-down Hairdo]

I adore it when your posts are delivered with such subtlety, SJ.

[AML]

AML,
You're a fucking idiot.

I know

Being born there may help

Thats my point

Anyway, you were wrong. Just fucking admit it.

I was never wrong coz i never said "All you need to do is be born there to get citizenship"

I said if your born in the EU you have the OPTION of getting EU citizenship.

I never said you get it automatically.

Man, you guys need to learn to fucking read........

[omae mona]

Im not "making shit up"

It is much easier to become a citizen of a country when your born there.

Many people have dual nationality

So instead of constantly throwing big words at people ("jus soli citizenship laws" WTF?)

Try using some common sense....

Really sorry about that AML. I forgot we are on the Internet.

Ah, the Internet, where we are all entitled to our own version of reality, and entitled to surround ourselves only with people who agree with us. And if somebody's version of reality happens to correspond to actual facts, you know what that means? They are elitist assholes.

Originally I was going to say that all EU countries have jus sanguinis laws where being born in the country doesn't make one iota of a difference. You either get citizenship because your parents have citizenship, or because you successfully applied for citizenship just like anybody else, regardless of where they were born. And I was going to add that yes, you are indeed making tons of shit up.

But now I realize that would have been pretty uncool to say. Jus Sanguinis is a fucking great new cocktail with Red Bull, Pepsi, and beer that gets you TOTALLY fucked up. And like you say, the EU countries use "common sense" for their immigration law, cuz it's cool. If you're born in the country, you don't get citizenship automatically, but you do have the citizenship "option", which you take by clicking the "Yes" button on the Birth Registration home page .