[Split from "Flyjin" thread] Where are we having our children?

[Mulboyne]

I said if your born in the EU you have the OPTION of getting EU citizenship.

I never said you get it automatically.

That's either mistaken or meaningless. What do you mean by "have the option of getting EU citizenship."? Do you mean "have the right to get EU citizenship" (i.e. citizenship of an EU member country)? If so, then that's mistaken. If you just mean "can attempt to get EU citizenship" then that's true of anyone and says nothing about the chances of actually getting it.

[Screwed-down Hairdo]

I just wanna get it, which in most cases is just some. [color="White"](Ha, ha...that'll fuck over the Japanese who claim their language is unique because of the vagueness of its subjects in utterances!!! Striking a blow on behalf of the inscrutable English language!!!)[/color]

[AML]

That's either mistaken or meaningless. What do you mean by "have the option of getting EU citizenship."? Do you mean "have the right to get EU citizenship" (i.e. citizenship of an EU member country)? If so, then that's mistaken. If you just mean "can attempt to get EU citizenship" then that's true of anyone and says nothing about the chances of actually getting it.

My original point was to say that being born in a place like the EU gives you the option of having access to every other EU member country.

Instead of just being stuck in one country with one passport.

Answering jacks question of why anyone would want go to another country to have a baby rather than stay in their home country.

Is this really that hard for you people to understand?

I dont care if you get a passport automatically or not just from being born there. That wasnt the point.

All clear now?

[Samurai_Jerk]

My original point was to say that being born in a place like the EU gives you the option of having access to every other EU member country.

Instead of just being stuck in one country with one passport.

Answering jacks question of why anyone would want go to another country to have a baby rather than stay in their home country.

Is this really that hard for you people to understand?

I dont care if you get a passport automatically or not just from being born there. That wasnt the point.

All clear now?

I guess it's still not clear in your mind.

Our point is that going to the EU to give birth would not get your children citizenship in any EU country unless you and/or your spouse were already citizens of that country. So your original point was pointless because it was wrong.

[AML]

I guess it's still not clear in your mind.

Our point is that going to the EU to give birth would not get your children citizenship in any EU country unless you and/or your spouse were already citizens of that country. So your original point was pointless because it was wrong.

Well I dont know about that. Like I said, the two chicks I met both had Jp parents.

Im guessing the fathers were in the UK on business. Lived there for a few years. Their kids were born there and therefore they got UK passports.

And now they live in Japan and still have UK passports, and access to any EU member country.

So I guess that was my point.

If it were a case of just going to a country and giving birth then leaving, everyone would do it.

[maraboutslim]

In some EU countries, including the UK, being born in the country does in fact enhance one's ability to become a citizen. No, of course it is not straight jus soli like the USA. Other factors include the length of time the parent had been legally in the country.

So in defense of the "idiot" it is indeed totally possible that the main contributing factor of his example J-chicks getting UK passports was the fact that they had been born in the UK. If their mother had returned to Japan to be with her family to give birth (as many mothers do), then the girls would have not so easily been granted UK citizenship.

France and Germany have similarly complex rules.

[omae mona]

In some EU countries, including the UK, being born in the country does in fact enhance one's ability to become a citizen. No, of course it is not straight jus soli like the USA. Other factors include the length of time the parent had been legally in the country.

So in defense of the "idiot" it is indeed totally possible that the main contributing factor of his example J-chicks getting UK passports was the fact that they had been born in the UK. If their mother had returned to Japan to be with her family to give birth (as many mothers do), then the girls would have not so easily been granted UK citizenship.

France and Germany have similarly complex rules.

The only way being born in the UK "enhances" your ability to become a citizen is if you live there continuously until age ten. Such children are entitled to UK citizenship. The J-chicks anecdote falls into that case. The only other possibility is the Japanese parents had themselves gained UK citizenship or permanent residence.

None of this relates, though, to the original message from Jack which AML was responding to. It was a discussion about Japanese mothers temporarily going to Europe merely to give birth. That doesn't result in anybody gaining citizenship or passports, nor does it enhance the children's chances of getting it later.

[AML]

Well i think the rules are like that to stop people from traveling, giving birth then leaving straight away.

But the discussion did not specify a length of time spent in a country.

We simply talked about giving birth in a foreign country simply for the reason of gaining citizenship.

People do it all the time and its understandable.

As was mentioned, better health care is one reason, better jobs, and in the long term, citizenship.

I thought all this was implied, but apparently it needs to be spelled out for most of you....(:devil2:

[matsuki]

None of this relates, though, to the original message from Jack which AML was responding to. It was a discussion about Japanese mothers temporarily going to Europe merely to give birth. That doesn't result in anybody gaining citizenship or passports, nor does it enhance the children's chances of getting it later.

Unfortunately, this does result in U.S. citizenship

[Greji]

Unfortunately, this does result in U.S. citizenship

I don't know if "Unfortunately" fits in 100% of these cases. I have a J-friend who has the majority of his international operations in the US. His only child a grown daughter, who has a PR Green Card, went to the US for the unstated purpose of having her own child there for US Citizenship. The future of the family and their business is in the US and since they have a substantial investment in the country, neither the US government, nor at least to my knowledge, are their acquaintances in the US, concerned about this as some subterfuge for citizenship.

If you are referring to those women who sneak into the country as an illegal while pregnant, or get pregnant after arrival, to have the baby to gain status for themselves along with the baby, you may have a point. However, this does not fit all cases.

[AML]

If you are referring to those women who sneak into the country as an illegal while pregnant, or get pregnant after arrival, to have the baby to gain status for themselves along with the baby, you may have a point. However, this does not fit all cases.

In the past i guess it was to populate the country.

But these days? (cheap labor workforce?)

[Samurai_Jerk]

In the past i guess it was to populate the country.

But these days? (cheap labor workforce?)

No, it's in the constitution so it's not something that can be changed all that easily.

[matsuki]

I don't know if "Unfortunately" fits in 100% of these cases. I have a J-friend who has the majority of his international operations in the US. His only child a grown daughter, who has a PR Green Card, went to the US for the unstated purpose of having her own child there for US Citizenship. The future of the family and their business is in the US and since they have a substantial investment in the country, neither the US government, nor at least to my knowledge, are their acquaintances in the US, concerned about this as some subterfuge for citizenship.

Mmmm yeah, I can see this being good but the could be remedied with a simple stipulation like the parents being legal residents.

If you are referring to those women who sneak into the country as an illegal while pregnant, or get pregnant after arrival, to have the baby to gain status for themselves along with the baby, you may have a point. However, this does not fit all cases.

That's exactly who I was referring to but you're right, I should have been more specific.

[Jack]

I'll bet your wife would be ecstatic to learn she was #86.
And, did it never occur to you that maybe the problem wasn't with the women?

She was number 46. She did find out many years ago.

[Jack]

Oh terrific ... Jack has found yet another way to brag about how many women he [color="gray"](would like us to believe he)[/color] has bedded.

People who grow up with a normal sense of priorities usually leave that shit behind in high school. College for the slow learners.

[SIZE="1"]Operative term in the above statement = "grow up."[/SIZE]

EDIT: I should probably add that if you use sex as the primary criterion for choosing a wife, you're fucked.

I use "sex" and dating alternately. To me dating a girl also means having sex. I have never gone out with a girl without fucking her also.
I assume that you have "grown up" Hammer? Good for you. How does it feel?

[Iraira]

I have never gone out with a girl without fucking her also.

Now that's some funny shit.

[Screwed-down Hairdo]

I'll bet your wife would be ecstatic to learn she was #86.

You mean he's married to Maxwell Smart?

[Yokohammer]

I assume that you have "grown up" Hammer? Good for you. How does it feel?

If I thought there was even the slightest chance that you'd understand I'd try to describe it for you.

So I won't bother.

[Greji]

:rofl: Now that's some funny shit.

Wadda ya mean. I'm jealous. Anybody that good should be admired.

[Iraira]

Wadda ya mean. I'm jealous. Anybody that good should be admired.

It should be admired, but it's Jack.

[Greji]

It should be admired, but it's Jack.

Good point. But, I didn't understand the comment "I have never gone out with a girl without fucking her also." I mean, why else would a real man go out with a girl. Is he trying to say there might be another reason?

[Screwed-down Hairdo]

Is he trying to say there might be another reason?

Maybe he was talking about just getting gobbies?

[Samurai_Jerk]

Sorry, guys, but Jack is right on this one.

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