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Nissan Juke Test Drive

Postby Coligny » Fri Jun 18, 2010 12:22 pm

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A face only a mother can love, as quirky as a 2000' Renault before their design team got a full lobotomy and boot camp at a tap water factory.

Inside, a mix of small and big, first, I fit perfectly well in the seat, (i'm 1.85) no need to spend 3 hours adjusting the least painful position to be able to use pedal and steering at the same time. But once i'm in position, no real way to move, if the cat start to vomit on the back seat or -a- baby lose his sippy cup i'm fracked... have to stop and manage the crisis from outside. Meanwhile, fold the back seat and the trunk gets more roomy than... uhm... something roomy... (I first I had a metaphor including my sister's genitalia, but maybe it's not that fit for the topic).
Driving position is high, you get nice big side mirrors with on the left 2 small downview helper mirrors. The rearview is symbolic, an aircraft carrier my be spot-able if it's less than 1 nm... but road going stuff are more guessed than seen... Main instrument cluster got everything even indicator for the city light "on" which is more than missing on my Note (it just scream "fuck you I was the cheapest car of the lineup for a good reason").
Steering wheel is small and in leather-ish material... really confortable.

Now... the bad...
The aircon panel double as a driving mode panel. On top you have the 2 setting mode switch, press aircon, all the button and dials act on the climate control. Press driving mode... the same button and dials control the engine/CVT behaviour. It's a textbook bad design, every manual on human interface design tell to avoid these kind of multi "mode" behaviour for software interaction. And that's for computer software/ database design. For a car that's beyond stupid. Yes the Oled display are cute, but you better have a poodle trained as copilot to handle them, because while driving it's absolutely unmanageable. We don't reach the level of stupidity of the Darwin inspired BMW iDrive, but it's a close second. The parking brake handle is on the left of the center console... like for the eurospec model... Too much cost cutting here. You don't have rear foglight... but you got the cutout because it's the same bumper as for the eurospec model... Carlos... frack you cheap bastard...

The ugly, 1.5 engine with Nissan xCVT gearbox... The throttle feels like somekind of placebo... Flooring it for a quick exit at a crossing when the red light change. Give you the same reaction as when you asked your highschool sweatheart for some buttsex before the final exam, "Noway... hehhh... wait... maybe... blehhh... let's do as usual instead..." a scene where you are merely a spectator instead of an actor... It don't just feel underpowered, it feels totally disconnected... like commanding a battle ship... you ask for "full ahead" and somebody or something do it for you a bit later. Braking is exactly the same... It feels more like a magically induced slowdown rather than pushing some pump to compress some plates on a brake disk that in turn block the wheels and slow the car down.
It feels like a video game, unlike a stock 1.2 March with the old auto gearbox where you really are involved feel the road, acceleration and deceleration, engine screaming and road noise. Here, you feel in your living room on the coach playing some granturismo (yeah, not even realistic enough to feel like rFactor).

I'm sold on the quirckiness, price (1.6 milliun yens, I don't think there is cheaper out there), roomy boot.
4wd and 1600cc / turbo (180ps) with semi auto CVT expected for november... Let's hope it'll be a little more cheerfull to drive. No worry for Nissan seems they reached 300% of their monthly preorder goal in the first week...
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Postby Coligny » Sat Jun 11, 2011 2:30 pm

And now test driven the 190BHP 1.6 liter version.

a bit over 2 milion yen for the 2wd version, around 2.4 for the AWD version. Drivetrain seems exceptionnally carefully designed, rear multilink suspension, double multiplate clutch on the rear (L/R) acting as limited slip diff. CVT auto gearbox, emulating 6 gears in sports mode (can't remember for the others) have a push stick selector mode. BUT it don't allow start in emulated 2nd or 3rd gear which is quite usefull on ice and snow. Have to use the eco mode instead. The pushstick meanwhile allows downshifting for a quite good engine braking.
Peak torque is at 2000 RPM plateau until 6000 RPM, even at 3000 the engine is quite silent and you don't feel like you'r going to need to tape the body panels to stop rattling or falling of.

Computer have 3 main driving mode, eco, normal, sport.
Eco, sluggish but linear (no "I don't know If I really want to go, let me think aboot it" like for the Note.)
Normal, confortable to drive the engine give the power as needed, never feel underpowered nor rushing you.
Sport, feels like a happy puppy, not as snappy as the old March (*). But I would not fear drag racing a krauter between red lights....

Now... the not so great... Body feels bloated when you drive the pear shape is stressfull when trying to squeeze in a parking place. (on the Note the body panels on the doors fall nearly straight). Rearview is definately bad, side windows are a bit small... feels like driving a small submarine... The opposite of the old March.

No optionnal roofbars on the Nissan catalogue, trunk not so great...

Forgot, NO underbody gravel shield for the engine... not even a plastic tray... :-(
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Postby Yokohammer » Sun Jun 12, 2011 5:15 pm

If it has to be a Nissan, why not just do the right thing and get an x-trail?
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Postby Coligny » Sun Jun 12, 2011 7:18 pm

Yokohammer wrote:If it has to be a Nissan, why not just do the right thing and get an x-trail?


Yeah... thanks to add to the indecision, you just summed up my afternoon...

oh... BTW you forgot to add the dualis... or the Mitsubishi Delica D5... or the Renault Koleos...

XTrail... Toyohashi is not Islamabad... Dem' road be small and there not that much explosion craters...
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Postby Yokohammer » Sun Jun 12, 2011 8:44 pm

Coligny wrote:Yeah... thanks to add to the indecision, you just summed up my afternoon...

oh... BTW you forgot to add the dualis... or the Mitsubishi Delica D5... or the Renault Koleos...

XTrail... Toyohashi is not Islamabad... Dem' road be small and there not that much explosion craters...

Have you driven one? I remember you saying that you're pretty large: they're really comfy even for a large-ish 188 cm guy like me ( ... I won't mention weight ...). The ride is smooth, as I remember, and the response surprisingly zippy. The dealer was telling me that whenever Nissan comes up with some sort of new technology it usually goes in the X-Trail first, which is why that particular model is generally so advanced. I was sorely tempted, but eventually opted for a Honda primarily because the Honda dealer is a 5-minute walk from my house, and they had decent coffee.

Just because you don't need a 4WD cliff climber doesn't mean you can't have a helluva lot of fun with one. You can even use it to buy the groceries and cat food! Besides, when the next big earthquake strikes you'll be glad you have it ... you'll be cruising over all that rubble while everyone in their funny-looking Jukes are blocked by the first twig in the road. Throw some supplies and a generator in the back and you're set. Oh yeah, and get the clean diesel model so that you'll be able to get fuel while everyone else is lined up for hours.

What's to decide?
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Postby Mike Oxlong » Sun Jun 12, 2011 9:29 pm

Jukes are rapidly becoming a popular rental car in Okinawa. Remind me of the cute warthog from Lion King.
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Postby BigInJapan » Sun Jun 12, 2011 9:41 pm

Yokohammer wrote:If it has to be a Nissan, why not just do the right thing and get an x-trail?
I had a Nissan Terrano here in the 90's (clunky Pathfinder predecessor), followed by a diesel Toyota Surf (which handled much better and was fun to drive as I lived in a winter sports area).
I've been away from SUV's for a few years and I'm thinking about heading back in the direction in the not too distant future.
Nissan's Murano and Dualis don't thrill me (need a bit more functionality as I need to haul family and wood etc. around), and the Juke is in the same boat.
I'll probably end up with something from the Toyota stable (Harrier or Surf, the Kruguer isn't too bad either) eventually.
If you're not 100% sold on Nissan, why not try out some Toyota SUV's too?
(For me Mitsubishi is not an option after the whole truck scandal awhile back.)
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Postby Yokohammer » Sun Jun 12, 2011 9:58 pm

BigInJapan wrote:I'll probably end up with something from the Toyota stable (Harrier or Surf, the Kruguer isn't too bad either) eventually.

Ah yes ... the Harrier is gorgeous, but it costs quite a bit more than the X-Trail too. One of the big advantages of the X-Trail is that it's surprisingly inexpensive for what you get. If the budget is available the Harrier might be worth a looky (except that in Coligny's case it looks as though an SUV is not high on the priority list ... I'm just trying to twist his arm).

Actually, if I was looking for something small-ish and sporty and the budget was available I'd be looking at a new Mercedes SLK. :mrgreen:
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Postby Coligny » Sun Jun 12, 2011 10:46 pm

BigInJapan wrote:I had a Nissan Terrano here in the 90's (clunky Pathfinder predecessor), followed by a diesel Toyota Surf (which handled much better and was fun to drive as I lived in a winter sports area).
I've been away from SUV's for a few years and I'm thinking about heading back in the direction in the not too distant future.
Nissan's Murano and Dualis don't thrill me (need a bit more functionality as I need to haul family and wood etc. around), and the Juke is in the same boat.
I'll probably end up with something from the Toyota stable (Harrier or Surf, the Kruguer isn't too bad either) eventually.
If you're not 100% sold on Nissan, why not try out some Toyota SUV's too?
(For me Mitsubishi is not an option after the whole truck scandal awhile back.)

Yeah, the whole Mitsubishi Fuso fiasco still make me b... ehmm... Julie blow some fuse, she's no big fan of these corporate bull... But beside the sticky pedal fiasco, Toyota had so many safety recall these last 2 years that i'd buy a Lada Niva rather than accepting a Toyota for free... They got everything failing from steering to gas tanks, Mitsubishi look like angels by comparison.

I totally agree that the XTrail would make much more sense and dirt cheap (except the diesel). What I hold for sure is that my 1.83m/99kg (plump but not really fat... and a bit delusionnal maybe) fit in the Juke, but I'm developping severe back pains in the Note, it has been a problem since day 1, just reaching proportion were after a 2 hour drive my right leg has been so twisted that I can barely walk out of the car.Never test driven the XTrail but he got all the 4wd hardcore gizmo (2wd mode, normal 4wd, 4wd central difflock with auto disconnect, hillclimb AND hilldescent assist modes...) AND sunroof option AND washable seats, the previous one even had the upright steering wheel tilting (truck driving position).

On a side note, june 15 the new Lafesta goes on sale... wonderfull, except some complete idiot put a transversal/horizontal chassis reinforcement pipe just a bit over the pedals and you constantly bump the top of your feet when you go from brake to throttle. It's clearly a case of "we don't give a fuck" and it's quite a bad one...

If I was to be totally irrationnal, i'd go with the A310 Pack GT 82, it's a bundle of nonsense, rear wheel drive (hate that), rear overhang engine (like a Porsche but done by people who didun't understood what they were doing), I can barely enter the car, I have to cross my legs inside and bend my head because the roof is too low (Max recomended driver size is 1.73-75m. Also of course, only manual transmission.

But... I honestly have yet to see a moar beautifull car... And so small that you don't need to park it, you just put it in your backpocket when you're done driving it...

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Postby matsuki » Mon Jun 13, 2011 9:28 am

Coligny wrote:If I was to be totally irrationnal, i'd go with the A310 Pack GT 82, it's a bundle of nonsense, rear wheel drive (hate that), rear overhang engine (like a Porsche but done by people who didun't understood what they were doing), I can barely enter the car, I have to cross my legs inside and bend my head because the roof is too low (Max recomended driver size is 1.73-75m. Also of course, only manual transmission.

But... I honestly have yet to see a moar beautifull car... And so small that you don't need to park it, you just put it in your backpocket when you're done driving it...

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:jawdrop:

So that's what is was! I caught a glimpse of one of those heading the opposite direction last week but didn't get enough of a look to figure out what it was. Nice...but from your description, what a headache!

When I was back in LA recently, I picked up the owner of one of my suppliers as he took his similarly fucked design sports car in for service. Despite all the problems, the looks everyone gives these things still makes them a blast to drive :D

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I had never seen so many in my life and luckily had my camera with me :drool:
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Postby Coligny » Mon Jun 13, 2011 9:38 am

chokonen888 wrote::jawdrop:

So that's what is was! I caught a glimpse of one of those heading the opposite direction last week but didn't get enough of a look to figure out what it was. Nice...but from your description, what a headache!

When I was back in LA recently, I picked up the owner of one of my suppliers as he took his similarly fucked design sports car in for service. Despite all the problems, the looks everyone gives these things still makes them a blast to drive :D

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I had never seen so many in my life and luckily had my camera with me :drool:


the A310 looks a bit like some older camaros, maybe more common in ... zee world... (since the A310 where entirely hand made, fiberglass body, welded chassis, drivetrain parts from left and right -Peugeot, Citroen but mostly Renault, the production number were a bit small)
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Want's to know a fun thing... the A310 and the De Lorean share the same engine a PRV V6 (Peugeot Renault Volvo). And the history of their company boss is strangely similar (Jean Redele for Alpine) small guy, start making sports cars... that's it...
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Postby Greji » Mon Jun 13, 2011 11:58 am

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Postby FG Lurker » Mon Jun 13, 2011 1:00 pm

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Postby Coligny » Mon Jun 13, 2011 2:06 pm

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Postby CrankyBastard » Mon Jun 13, 2011 3:05 pm

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New clutch/gear box last year.
I bought this new when they first came out, thinking I'd pass it on to one of the kids after a year or two but decided to keep it.
16 years on it still runs well and is an easy drive for this old fart.


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Postby FG Lurker » Mon Jun 13, 2011 3:36 pm

CrankyBastard wrote:First generation 1994 Toyota Corolla RAV4, 2-door, 5 speed manual.
New clutch/gear box last year.
I bought this new when they first came out, thinking I'd pass it on to one of the kids after a year or two but decided to keep it.
16 years on it still runs well and is an easy drive for this old fart.

My parents have a Honda CR-V from the same era -- same basic color too. They love it. Has around 200,000km on it and shows no signs of slowing down.
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Postby Coligny » Thu Jun 16, 2011 12:27 pm

Tried the Delica D5 yesterday it's like driving a big wardrobe, with wheels and an uncooperative engine. Got sea sick in 3 minutes top... the back door must be at least 2 tatamis big, you can't remove the 3rd seat row, just fold and hold them up with... fooking magic tape... Pedal so close that you can't accelerate without braking at the same time... no service can be made on the engine bay without removing some totally unrelated component first, the battery take the cake, still wondering how it could be removed. Maybe good as a guest house, but as a car... not so much...

Narrowing between Juke, XTrail (test tomorrow) or keeping my shopping trolley 2 more years until some another shaken...
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Postby Yokohammer » Thu Jun 16, 2011 12:49 pm

Coligny wrote:... XTrail (test tomorrow) ...

[SIZE="3"]Yeeeee-haaar!![/SIZE]
Can't wait to hear what you think of it.
(Expecting a full, detailed report ... [color="Silver"]even if you don't like it.[/color])
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Postby FG Lurker » Thu Jun 16, 2011 1:06 pm

Coligny wrote:Narrowing between Juke, XTrail (test tomorrow) or keeping my shopping trolley 2 more years until some another shaken...

Thought your wife was a rich doctor? You should be buying an AMG G class! :twisted:
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Postby matsuki » Thu Jun 16, 2011 1:52 pm

Coligny wrote:Tried the Delica D5 yesterday....maybe good as a guest house, but as a car... not so much...


LOL

It's certainly shaped more like a house than a car ;)

I am still holding out for a FT86, whatever they end up calling it.
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Postby Coligny » Thu Jun 16, 2011 6:47 pm

FG Lurker wrote:Thought your wife was a rich doctor? You should be buying an AMG G class! :twisted:

Begging for it since... years...
But seems people from aichi consider frugality as a way of life... (and you don't stay rich if you waste your money).I'm fooked... But i'd really be jumping for joy if I could have hot water in the bathroom sink... or carpet... or a much less leaky roof... and on and on... but hey, I finally got rid of my 35 years old washing machine for a 10 year old (that WARM THE WATER BY HERSELF !!!!) thanks to a fukushima sayonara sale... well... in fact the old one is still in my corridor because it would have costed a money to discard it... but at least the new one is plugged instead...

I fear for the agility of the XTrail... The Juke is a shared plateform from the Note/Tiida Cube (Renault Nissan B and C plateforms) so basically it's mostly the same, with some bits being much better (rear drivetrain, seats, engine) the Xtrail plateform-share with the Samsung QM5 and the Renault Koleos... it's another planet... and by comparison... or even raw numbers... a much better bang for the buck deal...
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Postby FG Lurker » Thu Jun 16, 2011 7:11 pm

Coligny wrote:Begging for it since... years...

Damn, I figured for sure that would send you off into another anti-Krout rant! :p

I'm in no position to buy anything from M-B right now but the G class is the only vehicle they make that I find interesting. Anything else and there's another car I'd sooner have instead.

[Edit: Writing out Krout just brought back memories of my grandfather. He called Japanese cars "jap cans" and German ones "krout cans". He drove a Toyota truck though and man did that thing ever take a lot of abuse. He was deaf as a post from the war and the only way he could tell if it was running was by the gearshift vibrating when he revved it...]
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Postby Coligny » Thu Jun 16, 2011 7:32 pm

FG Lurker wrote:Damn, I figured for sure that would send you off into another anti-Krout rant! :p


Bad luck, you falled into a recurrent gag between me and my wife... She sometimes remember my birthday and when she ask me what I want I answer either " a Pony" or a "mercedes Benz" knowing that I don't eat horse meat and Benz at the birth of this joke were still cars more often broken on town trucks rather than on the road going somewhere...

Oh... and usually for birthday it end up a a romantic diner... at the local Bikkury Donky (and no, I'm not making this sh1t up)... Maybe supposed to remind me when I was a broke student... except for the fact that I was already working part time in various network/system jobs(*), so was not so broke... especially in the middle of history students...
(*) my favorit activity was the project management for database system integration, when you go to see the clients without even a laptop, but with paint masking tape, colored strings, lots of paper and multi colored markers... getting them to admit that they must at first know what is their job process and if it might need changes or improvement before doing anything with a computer... huge uphill battle... but sooo good when it's done...
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Postby Yokohammer » Mon Jun 20, 2011 7:32 am

Hey ... wasn't there supposed to be a review of an XTrail test drive around here somewhere (Coligny)?

Did the test drive not happen?
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Postby matsuki » Mon Jun 20, 2011 10:19 am

Yokohammer wrote:Hey ... wasn't there supposed to be a review of an XTrail test drive around here somewhere (Coligny)?

Did the test drive not happen?


I think he bought it when he figured out how many crates of kittens will fit in it :D
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Postby Yokohammer » Mon Jun 20, 2011 10:24 am

chokonen888 wrote:I think he bought it when he figured out how many crates of kittens will fit in it :D

Either that or he's busy in "negotiations" (i.e. pleading) with the wife to let him buy it, and doesn't want to say anything about it until the deal is done. ;)
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Postby FG Lurker » Mon Jun 20, 2011 1:26 pm

[quote="Yokohammer"]Either that or he's busy in "negotiations" (i.e. pleading) with the wife to let him buy it, and doesn't want to say anything about it until the deal is done. ]
I think he has probably dragged his wife off to the Yanase dealership to look at that G series... :D
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Postby Yokohammer » Mon Jun 20, 2011 2:02 pm

Only 18 million yen for the G 55 AMG Long ... sure, why not? :mrgreen:
I'll take two! [color="Gray"](... of the Matchbox model versions ...)[/color].

BTW, you could buy six Xtrails for that and still have enough left over for a decent vacation. Start up a dealership!
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Postby Coligny » Mon Jun 20, 2011 6:40 pm

[quote="Yokohammer"]Either that or he's busy in "negotiations" (i.e. pleading) with the wife to let him buy it, and doesn't want to say anything about it until the deal is done. ]
Well... aboot that...

But first, the Xtrail, tried the version with the lousy 2l gasoline engine. Even this one was quite good (no hesitation from the throttle, not a rocket, but predictable). As for the rest of the car... Body shape extremely predictable, big, but you know perfectly where the panels are, unlike the Juke where you always have to guess which side will lose its paint first...
The all washable-no-nonsense interior is in the same spirit as the Note, in fact it feels like the XTrail is a grown up Note. Muminlaw could litterally walk in front of the rear seat from left to right like in a low ceilling house. But without needing some stairs to climb in, it's big but accessible. Aircon controls are a marvel of simplicity even for the automatic AC you got 3 rotary buttons, that you can turn without even looking or push to switch auto or off. No up/down, check the indicator behind the gear lever nonsense... All this straight to business no nonsense attitude remind the Renault lineup since... forever... without the Quirky design...

Mum find it to big to drive (btw, she don't drive since she's... short sighted to say the least...) and find the Juke puppy face cuter...

All optionized Juke AWD around 3.5 milliuns yens
All optionized Diesel XTrail around 4 milliuns yens (with sunroof and front/left/back cameras)

Then... started argueing against the color, the standard Nissan 6, Black, dark Blue, silver, darksilver, red, white and also a non-descript mixed remains from other paints shops. Then the standard battle "I can't decide, you choose" (aka any trouble with this car for the next 10 years will be your fault") answered by "I gave you all the relevent analysis, it's your money, you decide" unluckily the Nissan salesperson called us to know our decision in the middle of a gunfight while the cats were trying to guess which side to join in order to be sure to be fed for the next few days before finding a new house...
We should have decided last weekend since there is a 2 month delay and in less than 2 month the current one is due to shaken...

So for now it's a stall... Last battul like that was for the washing masheen... 6 years... ended up because of a Fukushima Flyjin Sayonara sale...
Marion Marechal nous voila !

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ni oubli ni pardon

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Postby Yokohammer » Mon Jun 20, 2011 6:57 pm

Coligny wrote:Well... aboot that...

... (snip) ...

So for now it's a stall... Last battul like that was for the washing masheen... 6 years... ended up because of a Fukushima Flyjin Sayonara sale...

So ... condensing all of this into four words: you're buying an XTrail? :cool:
You could just push the Note off a cliff (make sure you're not in it when you do this). That would shorten the negotiations considerably.
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