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damn name wrote:...
The unit of measure for stupidity radiation is the "baka."
100 micro-bakas/hr is the maximum safe level for babies. One milli-baka is 1,000 micro-bakas and 1,000 milli-bakas is 1 baka....
In the US, physician Janette Sherman MD and epidemiologist Joseph Mangano published an essay shedding light on a 35 per cent spike in infant mortality in northwest cities that occurred after the Fukushima meltdown, and may well be the result of fallout from the stricken nuclear plant.
The eight cities included in the report are San Jose, Berkeley, San Francisco, Sacramento, Santa Cruz, Portland, Seattle, and Boise, and the time frame of the report included the ten weeks immediately following the disaster.
"There is and should be concern about younger people being exposed, and the Japanese government will be giving out radiation monitors to children," Dr MV Ramana, a physicist with the Programme on Science and Global Security at Princeton University who specialises in issues of nuclear safety, told Al Jazeera.
Dr Ramana explained that he believes the primary radiation threat continues to be mostly for residents living within 50km of the plant, but added: "There are going to be areas outside of the Japanese government's 20km mandatory evacuation zone where radiation is higher. So that could mean evacuation zones in those areas as well."
Gundersen points out that far more radiation has been released than has been reported.
"They recalculated the amount of radiation released, but the news is really not talking about this," he said. "The new calculations show that within the first week of the accident, they released 2.3 times as much radiation as they thought they released in the first 80 days."
According to Gundersen, the exposed reactors and fuel cores are continuing to release microns of caesium, strontium, and plutonium isotopes. These are referred to as "hot particles".
"We are discovering hot particles everywhere in Japan, even in Tokyo," he said. "Scientists are finding these everywhere. Over the last 90 days these hot particles have continued to fall and are being deposited in high concentrations. A lot of people are picking these up in car engine air filters."
Radioactive air filters from cars in Fukushima prefecture and Tokyo are now common, and Gundersen says his sources are finding radioactive air filters in the greater Seattle area of the US as well.
The hot particles on them can eventually lead to cancer.
"These get stuck in your lungs or GI tract, and they are a constant irritant," he explained, "One cigarette doesn't get you, but over time they do. These [hot particles] can cause cancer, but you can't measure them with a Geiger counter. Clearly people in Fukushima prefecture have breathed in a large amount of these particles. Clearly the upper West Coast of the US has people being affected. That area got hit pretty heavy in April."
Mike Oxlong wrote:Sounds like what I read on Al Jazeera the other day...
http://english.aljazeera.net/indepth/features/2011/06/201161664828302638.html
Yokohammer wrote:Our old friend Arnie Gundersen center stage again. This guy is really distributing the panic wide and far.
omae mona wrote:His credentials are completely bunk, too. He has 1 year of experience actually helping operate a power plant in the early 70s. He is a math teacher now.
Taro Toporific wrote:Japan's nuclear meltdown linked to baby deaths along West coast
huliq.com, June 2, 2011
"Eight cities in the Pacific Northwest are experiencing a dramatic increase in baby deaths since the Japanese nuclear disaster despite media reports that the fallout is 'negligible' in the U.S. mainland," states the Eugene Weekly in a June 16 report that's tied to statistics based from federal agencies and the National Center for Health Statistics. There's been "an increase of about 35 percent in deaths of babies under 1 year old in Boise, Seattle, Portland and the northern California cities of Santa Cruz, Sacramento, San Francisco, San Jose and Berkeley," states a June 16 Eugene Weekly report. Also, the baby deaths in these combined cities "average 9.25 per week in the month before the Fukushima meltdown. And, 12.5 per week in the months following the disaster."More...
Taro Toporific wrote:Japan's nuclear meltdown linked to baby deaths along West coast
huliq.com, June 2, 2011
"Eight cities in the Pacific Northwest are experiencing a dramatic increase in baby deaths since the Japanese nuclear disaster despite media reports that the fallout is 'negligible' in the U.S. mainland," states the Eugene Weekly in a June 16 report that's tied to statistics based from federal agencies and the National Center for Health Statistics. There's been "an increase of about 35 percent in deaths of babies under 1 year old in Boise, Seattle, Portland and the northern California cities of Santa Cruz, Sacramento, San Francisco, San Jose and Berkeley," states a June 16 Eugene Weekly report. Also, the baby deaths in these combined cities "average 9.25 per week in the month before the Fukushima meltdown. And, 12.5 per week in the months following the disaster."More...
Coligny wrote:While I cannot express objectively any kind of opinion on the guy...
I've seen 20 times more critics against his credentials rather than against his statements...
omae mona wrote:
His [AG] credentials are completely bunk, too. He has 1 year of experience actually helping operate a power plant in the early 70s. He is a math teacher now.
damn name wrote:We've all seen plenty of charts over the last three months describing the effects from radiation exposure. Little has been written about the effects of exposure to the radiation of stupidity.
The unit of measure for stupidity radiation is the "baka."
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"You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to damn name again."
Much laughter was produced, thanks for the awesome post!
Typhoon wrote:Lets assume, purely for the sake of argument, that Gundersen's "five to ten hot particles" is accurate.
It's not going to make a difference.
Most people in the US breath in far more, by many multiples of 10, naturally occurring radioactive radon in their homes.
Most radioisotopes of radon emit alpha particles when they decay - absorbed by lung tissue.
At a sufficiently high dose said to be the 2nd leading cause of lung cancer in the US, after smoking.
Coligny wrote:From what I heard aboot hot particles (wayyyy before Fukushima) in a documentary called the Battle of Chernobyl, was that they were highly dangerous dusts able to kill in few days. It was observed from the sudden death of some minor digging under the reactor to avoid a china syndrome and try to establish a (cancelled) cooling installation. Some of them were removing their breathing filter that were to easily clogged by dust. Some ingested "hot" dust and quickly died.
So here for me, the problem of reliability come from the statement that these hot particles travelled quite far. Because as far as their lethality, I'm pretty much convinced...
Said Hot particles are one of the big reason why Tchernobyl needs a sarcophagus. Preferably air and water tight...
Coligny wrote:And have little link with my statement...
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