Tohoku Earthquake, Tsunami and Nuclear Disaster!!!

[Coligny]

Exclusion zone expanding up to 60km from the plant (north-west direction)

Link in French sorry... http://www.japoninfos.com/fukushima-zones-devacuation-elargies.html

They will drag their feets as long as possible before admitting that the whole city of Fukushima should have been abandonned...

(yea yea I can hear you: BUT IT WOULD COST A MONIES!!!...)

[legion]

Yer point was ? 3 month after, every official here is still in full denial mode...

Did you watch the documentary as far as the bit where they mentioned that it took 20 years to reveal that were it not for the fire fighters' sacrifice of their own lives there would have been a second explosion at Chernobyl which would have made half of Europe uninhabitable?

And did you miss the part when they described the accident itself?

I remember Chernobyl happening, I don't recall being told the radiation made it as far as the UK at the time. I think the French were told that wind patterns prevented it from reaching France.

Every government limits information, and as a gaijin you should be grateful they filtered this enough to stop a major panic because guess who gets to be the scapegoat for any problem in Japan. Hmmmmm, let me see...who built that reactor ......?

The British Government employed PR agencies right after Fukushima to play it down to protect the nuclear industry. Are you surprised?

[Coligny]

Did you watch the documentary as far as the bit where they mentioned that it took 20 years to reveal that were it not for the fire fighters' sacrifice of their own lives there would have been a second explosion at Chernobyl which would have made half of Europe uninhabitable?

Yea, I actually know this documentary pretty well as it is quite old and I didn't wait to have a powerplant blowing up in my backyard to be interested on the matter.
I also remember that even being a completely opaque country back then Hans Blix go quite a free ride wherever he needed to. So as far as glasnost is concerned, Gorbatchev can be given mad props, what did you want him to do more ? climb on top of the Eiffel tower and shout "we're all fucked, close your windows and stay indoors" Now for the IAEA coverups... well... they are at it again... for the other governement coverups... they just proved they can't be trusted... again...(*) Bad luck for your hard on, population are not thaaat binary, they don't switch from "blind followers" to "histerical panic" with nothing inbetween. Especially here in japan with their shoganai attitude, what you can see most is people that know they are lied to, but just choose apparently not to give a fuck. That don't mean that at some point they won't collectively flip the bird to the authorities, that mostly led to think that the day it happens, it will be an overall day as usual without rivers of blood flowing in the streets...

As for the technical answer to Chernobyl... well, you said it yourself, they knew what they were doing or at least enough, to avoid worst case scenario with an unsafe by design plant.
In Fukushima you have a supposedly safe design (I mean the big outlines, not the plant itself) and a problem which is dealt with using the flingging poo method (aka throw shit against the wall, see what sticks and call it a solution) and 3 reactors going all china syndrome on us... So here again... mad props to the Russians...

Every government limits information, and as a gaijin you should be grateful they filtered this enough to stop a major panic because guess who gets to be the scapegoat for any problem in Japan. Hmmmmm, let me see...who built that reactor ......?

Ge, Toshiba and Hitachi...
But with the level of clusterfuck from Tepco, critics against the design still argued to be safe by Tepco, lack of upgrade against quakes by Tepco and botched inspection by Tepco... Even an Uyoku would have trouble blaming the US for this with a straight face... So continue in your own littul phantasm at this level of disconnection with reality whatever I say would be totally drowned into insanity on the spot...

The British Government employed PR agencies right after Fukushima to play it down to protect the nuclear industry. Are you surprised?

No, with a planet apparently filled with a certain breed psychopath, the fact that Britain need a PR team to convince people that british plants are safe from mega quakes and tsunamies don't surprise me the least, histeria is as much a problem as Tepco's behaviour when you try to have a rationnal debate pondering the real costs and benefits of nukular power...


(*) Aside from France, who under the guidance of Sarkozy (him... already) completely fooked up the crisis manangement. Other countries in europe established safety policies restricting outdoor activities for kids and ask for the destruction of some sensitive crops. (mushrooms and leafy vegetables)

[legion]

Bad luck for your hard on, population are not thaaat binary, they don't switch from "blind followers" to "histerical panic" with nothing inbetween. Especially here in japan with their shoganai attitude, what you can see most is people that know they are lied to, but just choose apparently not to give a fuck. That don't mean that at some point they won't collectively flip the bird to the authorities, that mostly led to think that the day it happens, it will be an overall day as usual without rivers of blood flowing in the streets...

Tell that to the Koreans in 1923.

[Coligny]

Tell that to the Koreans in 1923.

I'm speechless... (not in a good way...)

[Jack]

[Mike Oxlong]

[Mulboyne]

The Health Ministry has accepted an offer of help from the Philippines. Three doctors have arrived in the tsunami-hit areas to provide counselling and health checks for Filipino victims of the disaster. There are some 1,900 Filipino residents of Miyagi and Iwate, including a number of women who have married into farming communities. One of the team says she hopes to help those suffering emotional trauma and survivor's guilt. A woman who has already been seen says it was a huge relief just to speak in Tagalog about her experiences. The doctors will stay until the 13th and are scheduled to visit six cities, three towns and one village.

Source (Japanese)

[CrankyBastard]

Yes, but I purposely say shiro momo.

Let's hope you grow out of it!

[Coligny]

Hi guys, monday morning bad news trainwreck already there...

http://ex-skf.blogspot.com/2011/07/now-they-tell-us-series-depleted.html

Stock of depleted uranium seems to have caught fire last March 11...

Good week...

[Mike Oxlong]

Fukushima: Failure By Design

This post will conclude my quatrology of essays touching on peculiarities of the reactor accidents at the Fukushima I (Daiichi) nuclear power station on the northeastern coast of Japan as a result of the Tohoku-Oki Earthquake and Tsunami on Mar. 11, 2011. I will continue to update the content of the series as new information crucial to the discussed issues becomes available...

[Greji]

Fukushima: Failure By Design

I read this as the J-theory, along with an apologist's line, to set up the ultimate design problems that have "caused" this disaster as the fault of those nasty barbarians from overseas who originally designed these dastardly plants. Poor victimized Japan....

[Mike Oxlong]

If only they had bought the extended warranty...

[Yokohammer]

If only they had bought the extended warranty...

They got the reactors from Yodobashi?

[matsuki]

[Jack]

I read this as the J-theory, along with an apologist's line, to set up the ultimate design problems that have "caused" this disaster as the fault of those nasty barbarians from overseas who originally designed these dastardly plants. Poor victimized Japan....

And how do you come up with that conclusion? I mean other than how hard you wish that's exactly what the Japanese should say but are not saying it and that you are inventing a whole theory and trying to pass it as fact.
Get that chip off your shoulder or get the fuck out of Japan.

[Coligny]

And how do you come up with that conclusion? I mean other than how hard you wish that's exactly what the Japanese should say but are not saying it and that you are inventing a whole theory and trying to pass it as fact.
Get that chip off your shoulder or get the fuck out of Japan.

1/10 trying too hard...

Your village must really feel empty when you go on vacation...

[Greji]

And how do you come up with that conclusion? I mean other than how hard you wish that's exactly what the Japanese should say but are not saying it and that you are inventing a whole theory and trying to pass it as fact.
Get that chip off your shoulder or get the fuck out of Japan.

Hey, Jack. I'm retired from the Japanese government, so obviously I don't know what happens there and have only learned how to invent theories. However, it does give me a warm fuzzy that a dipshit like you can come to Japan every once in a blue moon and enlighten all of us who live here with the truth about Japan that we could never perceive. If you want to further make my day, finish your vacation early and get the fuck back to Canada. There you can live in your dream world of Japan, 'cause that's the only place you're going to find it.

[Iraira]

Hey, Jack. I'm retired from the Japanese government, so obviously I don't know what happens there and have only learned how to invent theories. However, it does give me a warm fuzzy that a dipshit like you can come to Japan every once in a blue moon and enlighten all of us who live here with the truth about Japan that we could never perceive. If you want to further make my day, finish your vacation early and get the fuck back to Canada. There you can live in your dream world of Japan, 'cause that's the only place you're going to find it.

"Must spread beaver before giving to Greji"

Seriously, Jack...a vacation here now and then does not...oh, fuck it, why the hell am I bothering arguing anything with the definition of "shit for brains"?

[Tsuru]

I can feel a thread bifurcation coming up...

[Cyka UchuuJin]

apparently osaka just had a magnitude 3.

and NO, i was not there banging someone to cause it!

[nikoneko]

apparently osaka just had a magnitude 3.

and NO, i was not there banging someone to cause it!

5.4 if I remember right in Wakayama and enough to make the local Kansai tv go a bit ballistic. Got the Yurekurucalls here in Kobe but we didn't feel it a bit.

[nikoneko]

And fuck if I every time say that I don't scare the heck out of myself. Kansai not safe.. Kansai not safe.. Must remember.

[FG Lurker]

And fuck if I every time say that I don't scare the heck out of myself. Kansai not safe.. Kansai not safe.. Must remember.

When I first came to Kansai in '93 everyone here said that Kansai doesn't get major quakes... I used to shake my head and wonder what they were smoking. I suspect those beliefs went out the window in January '95 for some reason.

After the 9.0 up north 5.4 seems very small but it's still a lot of energy released. I bet Wakayama-shi was rocking and rolling for a bit, probably a lot of busted up china and glasses... I certainly felt a good jolt in my office here in Osaka.

[Greji]

NO, i was not there banging someone to cause it!

We know. If that were the case, you would be all over the board broadcasting that you finally found someone.....

[Coligny]

We know. If that were the case, you would be all over the board broadcasting that you finally found someone.....

That's like... totally mean... It's not her fault if bearded woman have totally fallen out of fashiun...


(don't punch me, it's 3:40, i cannot sleep and i have a craving for fried potatozes)
(and seriously, 122 guests !? WTF !)

[2triky]

Equipment Cleaning Japan Plant Coolant

Tuesday, July 5, 2011

The operator of Japan's Fukushima Daiichi nuclear power plant on Saturday fully phased in use of a mechanism for removing radioactive material from water and cycling it back into the facility for reuse as coolant, marking a significant milestone in stabilization efforts, the Asahi Shimbun reported (see GSN, July 1).

Tokyo Electric Power has struggled to prevent radioactive contaminants from escaping the six-reactor Fukushima facility following a March 11 earthquake and tsunami that left more than 20,000 people dead or missing in Japan. The firm has pumped water into the plant on an ongoing basis in an effort to cool components, resulting in radiation-tainted liquid flooding large portions of the site.

The new system could help prevent contaminated liquid from collecting at the facility if it keeps operating as intended, potentially addressing a factor that has constrained repair efforts, the company indicated. Technical problems previously forced several shutdowns of the equipment, which is now mitigating heat buildup at four reactors (Tatsuyuki Kobori, Asahi Shimbun I, July 5).

Meanwhile, the plant operator on Friday finished building a tsunami barrier outside reactors No. 3 and No. 4 and the site's waste treatment facility. The barrier, consisting of rocks held together by wiring and tarps, is capable of providing protection against an 8-meter-high wave, the firm said (Asahi Shimbun II, July 3).

Fukushima prefecture's local government on Monday announced it would begin checks for internal radiation next week on 2,800 people, including expectant mothers and the very young, Kyodo News reported (Kyodo News I/Breitbart.com, July 4).

Roughly 45 percent of 1,080 Fukushima prefecture residents up to age 15 tested positive near the end of March for low-level radiation absorption by the thyroid gland, Japanese Nuclear Safety Commission officials indicated on Tuesday (Kyodo News II/Mainichi Daily News, July 5).

Former Japanese prime ministerial atomic adviser Toshiso Kosako sharply criticized Tokyo's response to the disaster and suggested additional radiation hazards would become known in months to come, the Wall Street Journal reported on Saturday.

"Come the harvest season in the fall, there will be a chaos," said Kosako, who left the advisory position in April. "Among the rice harvested, there will certainly be some radiation contamination -- though I don't know at what levels -- setting off a scandal. If people stop buying rice from Tohoku ... we'll have a sticky problem" (Yuka Hayashi, Wall Street Journal, July 2).

http://www.globalsecuritynewswire.org/gsn/nw_20110705_4504.php

[Yokohammer]

"Test run" ...
I guess this is the nuclear reactor version of "research whaling."

Reactors kept on full test run; no formal nod

[Mike Oxlong]

[SIZE="4"]Has cronyism wrecked Japan's long-term repair?[/SIZE]

There have been better times to be Japanese. Still battling the unappeased demons of stagnation, bloated national debt, and the sclerotic effects of an ageing population, the authorities now seem paralysed in their efforts to rebuild after the 2011 earthquake. Despite the country's riches and technological know-how.

Initially it seemed Japan was coping well considering the overwhelming forces that pummelled the country following the 11 March quake. Now many are criticising officials' efforts as being slow and badly synchronised. It's not a reaction adequate for one of the largest reconstruction efforts since the Second World War.

The obstacles to rebuilding, and to the renewed vitality that many hoped would characterise post-quake Japan, are varied and many. Foremost must be Japan's rigid administrative system, which historically has hindered the momentum sparked by volunteers in any domestic disaster. Many also blame ineptitude and political infighting for bringing the reconstruction to a stall.

"It's mostly a result of Japan being unable to think outside the box," says Japanese construction industry insider Steve Yamaguchi, who runs a building firm in Yamagata prefecture north of Tokyo, just outside the Tohoku disaster zone...

via The Independent

[Jack]

Hey, Jack. I'm retired from the Japanese government, so obviously I don't know what happens there and have only learned how to invent theories. However, it does give me a warm fuzzy that a dipshit like you can come to Japan every once in a blue moon and enlighten all of us who live here with the truth about Japan that we could never perceive. If you want to further make my day, finish your vacation early and get the fuck back to Canada. There you can live in your dream world of Japan, 'cause that's the only place you're going to find it.

Based on that article I can't see how you come up with that conclusion other than paranoia. What you say may well be true in general (although I can understand the Japanese attitude because most non-Japanese products are of lower quality which is why we do almost all our shopping in Japan or we buy made in Japan stuff) but there was nothing in that article to warrant your attack, that's all.