Gaijin vs "Japanese" In Subway

[Greji]

As I wrote later: I am talking about significant size differences here. The guy in the video is about the same size, but a couple of inches shorter. Still, mass is more important than height.

If you outweigh a man with more than 15 kilos and grab him before he has time to punch you, he must be a quite skilled fighter to overpower you. Being a light guy(185cm, 70kg), I know this very well. If I ever were to get in a fight, I would do my best to not let my opponent grab me, as I would have no chance in a fight on the floor. I'm not saying I would have great odds in a boxing/kicking fight, but at least I could exploit my speed, agility, reflexes, and long reach. On the floor it's only strength, technique and size. I have none of it.

If the dood is significantly smaller than me I am going to significantly pound his ass into the pavement. If he is my size or bigger, I'm going to feed him my gf while I dash off to check on stock prices, or the line at McDonalds.

[Samurai_Jerk]

As I wrote later: I am talking about significant size differences here. The guy in the video is about the same size, but a couple of inches shorter. Still, mass is more important than height.

If you outweigh a man with more than 15 kilos and grab him before he has time to punch you, he must be a quite skilled fighter to overpower you. Being a light guy(185cm, 70kg), I know this very well. If I ever were to get in a fight, I would do my best to not let my opponent grab me, as I would have no chance in a fight on the floor. I'm not saying I would have great odds in a boxing/kicking fight, but at least I could exploit my speed, agility, reflexes, and long reach. On the floor it's only strength, technique and size. I have none of it.

I outweigh Manny Pacquiao by at least 50 kg. There might not be many guys walking around who can fight like him but there are plenty of wiry little dudes that grew up on the streets and could pound a fat fuck like me into oblivion.

In the place and time I grew up (pre-Giuliani NYC) people would fuck with you for absolutely no reason whatsoever. And AK is from Atlanta. Unless things have improved significantly since I lived there from '93 - '96, that is a rough place. You have no idea. BTW, for those who don't know, you don't talk shit down South. If someone in Georgia, Mississippi, etc. tells you to go fuck yourself, they intend to hurt you.

[waruta]

I still don't understand wtf that fight was all about. Drunk belligerent foreigners? Nationalistic Zainichi? Just because you can drink in public and no one will say a thing does not make it a good idea....

Still, if someone kicked me in the face (and I didn't deserve it) they will be getting it back in full even if I lose. Weird video....

[xenomorph42]

As I wrote later: I am talking about significant size differences here. The guy in the video is about the same size, but a couple of inches shorter. Still, mass is more important than height.

If you outweigh a man with more than 15 kilos and grab him before he has time to punch you, he must be a quite skilled fighter to overpower you. Being a light guy(185cm, 70kg), I know this very well. If I ever were to get in a fight, I would do my best to not let my opponent grab me, as I would have no chance in a fight on the floor. I'm not saying I would have great odds in a boxing/kicking fight, but at least I could exploit my speed, agility, reflexes, and long reach. On the floor it's only strength, technique and size. I have none of it.

Ahh, hell naw!!! That's all nice, as for myself, hailing from Inglewood L.A., I am a pretty passive guy, but for me, it's very simple, I see it like this, you hit me, I will use everything in my power to give you a royal ass beating of biblical proportions! Whatever I have to use to succeed in my mission and whatever means are at my disposal (knives, forks, 2 by 4's, asphalt, sand, grass, pipes, you get the point) if I can make dude bleed, twitch incapacitate his ass and knock him into a catatonic coma state and stomp him into oblivion, betcha he wouldn't do that again. I give the guy credit for being calm and cool-headed, but if it were me...sorry, that train car would have been empty and the video would probably have been on NHK and CNN.

[MrUltimateGaijin]

Being a light guy(185cm, 70kg),.

u might break if you fall over

[IparryU]

As I wrote later: I am talking about significant size differences here. The guy in the video is about the same size, but a couple of inches shorter. Still, mass is more important than height.

If you outweigh a man with more than 15 kilos and grab him before he has time to punch you, he must be a quite skilled fighter to overpower you. Being a light guy(185cm, 70kg), I know this very well. If I ever were to get in a fight, I would do my best to not let my opponent grab me, as I would have no chance in a fight on the floor. I'm not saying I would have great odds in a boxing/kicking fight, but at least I could exploit my speed, agility, reflexes, and long reach. On the floor it's only strength, technique and size. I have none of it.

I have had more than a handful of fighting guys much bigger than me... probably about 50+ lbs and anywhere from 3 to 6 inches taller than me and that only got my ass handed to me less than a third of the fights... it sucks, but size only matters when you are knockin boots.

but from my experience, grappling a guy bigger than you has better odds than boxing a guy bigger than you. but for someone else it may be the opposite.

in general, i would say that you are right though about biggun vs midget... but there are a few ppl out there that will surprise you. one guy i know named jojo is a prime example. about 5'5", 140lbs and when you look at hime he looks weak... but he was a scout in the marines during the gulf war and he always carries plastic gloves (like at the dr.s office) for when he gets into fights... one lil guy not to fuck with.

[tone]

jesus christ we got some grizzly mofos in here

i would appreciate if it was to get my back, but if one of you guys was all drunk and bent out of shape trying to come at me like you describe, that would be some ghetto bullshit

i dunno... when i saw the video i sympathized with the gaij, dealing with some racist ass local getting all touchy in the wrong way. but apparently he said i know youre not japanese... still i think a boot to the head is a fucking dangerous over reaction

i dont know which is worse... the beginner japanese or waaasted locals on the train

werent some of you ass kickers upset about the guy in hiroo or wherever who got killed by the DJ?

[BigInJapan]

jesus christ we got some grizzly mofos in here

Nuff said.

...werent some of you ass kickers upset about the guy in hiroo or wherever who got killed by the DJ?

I think that was covered in this thread.

[Screwed-down Hairdo]

You think you guys had it tough? I grew up in a shoebox...

[Greji]

werent some of you ass kickers upset about the guy in hiroo or wherever who got killed by the DJ?

Well, maybe, if I knew the real story about either event. We probably will never know what really happened between the FG and the DJ, nor will we ever know what happened on the train before the video.

I'm not promoting martial arts, or boxing with these dudes. If he's bigger than you and you know you can't avoid a fight, do the honorable thing. That means when the mother fucker ain't looking, hit him with a brickbat and walk away. End of problem.

[(1VB)freels]

God I love it when you're subtle....

You're welcome!!!;)

[xenomorph42]

Well, maybe, if I knew the real story about either event. We probably will never know what really happened between the FG and the DJ, nor will we ever know what happened on the train before the video.

I'm not promoting martial arts, or boxing with these dudes. If he's bigger than you and you know you can't avoid a fight, do the honorable thing. [B]That means when the mother fucker ain't looking, hit him with a brickbat and walk away. End of problem.[/B]

Dude, I didn't know you were from L.A.????
That's what I'm talkin' about!

[AssKissinger]

In the place and time I grew up (pre-Giuliani NYC) people would fuck with you for absolutely no reason whatsoever. And AK is from Atlanta. Unless things have improved significantly since I lived there from '93 - '96, that is a rough place. You have no idea. BTW, for those who don't know, you don't talk shit down South. If someone in Georgia, Mississippi, etc. tells you to go fuck yourself, they intend to hurt you.

One thing about the south is that it's usually pretty easy to understand what's going on (if you're from there). And I lived in Brooklyn for a while in the early '90's (Flatbush). I generally felt like east coast crime, while severe, was mostly business. So that's a little different than your impression there. I always felt like NY crime almost always did have a reason. They wanted your money or your fucking jacket or whatever. It's the west coast that I personally find the most unnerving because the crime is so fucking random out there. I knew a guy who was just riding his bike in a west coast city and a car full of guys knocked him off the road and the beat the shit out of him (his skull was cracked- and the hospital refused to allow him in for the follow-up visit since he had no insurance) and they didn't check his pockets, steal his bike or anything. Just violence. And it's only out west where I saw people try to scare you with no intention of taking it further. I always felt like what the fuck are these people on out here when I lived out west. But that's just a personal impression. Crime in NYC was/is probably just as fucking random. Back in the 'pre-Giuliani days' as you called them NY had like 6-8 murders a day. Who knows what the fuck all that was about. I know in Atlanta most of the murders on the news were about someone fucking someone else's wife. Now, I'm rambling but the first person I ever knew that died when I was a kid was a murder. She was a girl. I don't know exactly what happened but I think she got caught trying to steal some cash.

Anyway, I agree with the people on here who are saying fuck violence. But the violence I most want to stop is violence that might be heading in my direction. Yeah, walk away if you can. But if someone is already up on you, acting like that, it's probably too late.

Japan is a different animal though. I remember one time I was on a train with my buddy from a small town in Ireland and this old drunk dude on the train was talking all kinds of shit about us but didn't get in our space. My heart was pounding so hard I thought I was going to passout. I didn't even say shit to my friend because I didn't want the drunk to hear and get more escalated. When we got off the train the Irish dude said he hardly noticed. But like you said above SJ, down south, shit talking usually ends up real nasty. I was worried about jail, fighting, and all of it. Thank God that guy didn't stand up over us or any shit because there wasn't going to be any kind of happy ending at that point.

[nikoneko]

fuck violence.

Word. Those of us who have lived places where gunshots at night are regular occurrences and women screaming barely wake you up at night after a while I think take a different view to it. Walk away or talk it out if you can. If you can't and just need to survive come out full tilt, but only then.

[matsuki]

Japan is a different animal though. I remember one time I was on a train with my buddy from a small town in Ireland and this old [color="Red"]drunk[/color] dude on the train was talking all kinds of shit about us but didn't get in our space. My heart was pounding so hard I thought I was going to passout. I didn't even say shit to my friend because I didn't want the drunk to hear and get more escalated. When we got off the train the Irish dude said he hardly noticed. But like you said above SJ, down south, shit talking usually ends up real nasty. I was worried about jail, fighting, and all of it. Thank God that guy didn't stand up over us or any shit because there wasn't going to be any kind of happy ending at that point.

Notice nearly all our stories start with some j-guy being drunk. It's like once the alcohol is flowing and inhibitions are gone, many of the sons of Yamato show their prejudice against FG. (and many times act out on it)

Last year during Hanami while I was guiding the president and wife of one of my main suppliers back to my office, I ran across quite an idiot. The president is a bit loud and sat across from his wife on the train. After a few stops, I hear "FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCK! No English! Loud!" Now there weren't many on the train and this was the middle of the day when most people are at work but yeah, they were speaking loudly. Anyhow, the crazed Japanese guy starts going off "Fucking Americans!" Before I could do anything, the president gets up and walks over to the gun, holds out his hand, and says "Hi, I'm Mike, Nice to meet you!" The guy goes all deer eyed and silent Oddly enough, despite his apparent hatred for the US, he spoke enough Engrish to communicate. The president totally caught the guy off guard by ignoring his angry remarks and asking him about the beautiful cherry blossoms and telling him how much he's enjoying Japan. By the time we got off the train, the Jappy guy was apologizing and inviting us for a drink with him. Apparently he was going to visit some family grave (Maybe for family that died in WWII??) He could have been totally mental (well, more so than other Japanese) or just emotional at that time but I've never seen anyone get so shut down and pacified before. From full on gaijin killer vengeance to let's be best friends!

[Ikemen-of-d00m]

Japan is a different animal though. I remember one time I was on a train with my buddy from a small town in Ireland and this old drunk dude on the train was talking all kinds of shit about us but didn't get in our space. My heart was pounding so hard I thought I was going to passout. I didn't even say shit to my friend because I didn't want the drunk to hear and get more escalated. When we got off the train the Irish dude said he hardly noticed. But like you said above SJ, down south, shit talking usually ends up real nasty. I was worried about jail, fighting, and all of it. Thank God that guy didn't stand up over us or any shit because there wasn't going to be any kind of happy ending at that point.

Christ! Reading this, I have a hard time believing that the USA is a "civilized" country.

I would probably have reacted the same way as the Irish dude. And so would most Europeans. At least Western and Northern.

[AssKissinger]

Christ! Reading this, I have a hard time believing that the USA is a "civilized" country

You thought America is civilized? That's what happens. People come from Germany and shit and rent cars and drive all over Miami and get lost and finally end up dead. At least, the Japanese usually have enough sense to stay with their tour group. I remember though, being in New Orleans watching these Japanese tourists barely able to walk all of them with their expensive cameras out totally defenseless. I guess that's a common sight in New Orleans but I was just thinking oh my God they're as good as dead.

[nikoneko]

Christ! Reading this, I have a hard time believing that the USA is a "civilized" country.

Unfortunately we are all that we are all that we cracked up to be in the USA. Full disclaimer, I never lived anywhere bigger than SLC, Austin, or San Jose but lived in some pretty bad parts of town in the first two and visited some seriously bad parts of town in the third. It's gotta be the guns for sure. If someone fucks with you in the US it's not manly, only stupid, to fuck with them cause you very well could die. (period/full stop.) Much smarter to try and make friends so they watch your back the next time it happens.

[AssKissinger]

Unfortunately we are all that we are all that we cracked up to be in the USA. Full disclaimer, I never lived anywhere bigger than SLC, Austin, or San Jose but lived in some pretty bad parts of town in the first two and visited some seriously bad parts of town in the third. It's gotta be the guns for sure. If someone fucks with you in the US it's not manly, only stupid, to fuck with them cause you very well could die. (period/full stop.) Much smarter to try and make friends so they watch your back the next time it happens.

Really? You try to 'make friends' with people who fuck with you? It must be a big relief having those thugs 'watch your back'.

[Ganma]

The America you guys are describing sounds like a dead ringer for the movie, Escape from L.A.
I think I'll keep enjoying America from my armchair thank you!

[Coligny]

The America you guys are describing sounds like a dead ringer for the movie, Escape from L.A.
I think I'll keep enjoying America from my armchair thank you!

All I knowz from pre-Giuliani NY I learned it from the TV Show "The Equalizer" with Edward Woodward...

Scaaaaawwwyyyy place...

[nikoneko]

Really? You try to 'make friends' with people who fuck with you? It must be a big relief having those thugs 'watch your back'.

Just been putting the trash out 10 minutes early at 4:50 am. My apologies but I was trying to agree with you. Out of college a roommate and I moved into a triplet between a family of mexican gangsters and a couple who were insurance fraud artists. It didn't really make a lot of sense to pick fights with either and frankly we all helped each other out whether any of us liked it or not. That is where I was going.
Anyway this thread and the responses have thrown me completely off the whole FG testosterone thing. Going back to lurking and seeking the random Mulboyne and Taro post which is what this site is really for anyway. It's changed a lot since Tohoku happened.

[AssKissinger]

My apologies but I was trying to agree with you.

I know but you just can't make yourself in any way vulnerable to people who have a thug mentality. They see friendliness as a means to wedge themselves into some kind of situation where they can exploit you somehow. They'll want a ride, they'll want to borrow shit, they'll keep track of when you're around and when you're out. It's a no win situation. Just like kids can't buddy up to bullies in school. And if it's short term like on a bus or whatever, they'll be on the lookout for you next time, looking for a way in.

[xenomorph42]

Really? You try to 'make friends' with people who fuck with you? It must be a big relief having those thugs 'watch your back'.

This says it all.

http://youtu.be/W5FfJ89rGPc

[Coligny]

It's changed a lot since Tohoku happened.

In a brotherhoodish kinda way... methink...

[Coligny]

This says it all.

http://youtu.be/W5FfJ89rGPc

or...

[YT]Cv5BYEOQYLo[/YT]

[nikoneko]

I know but you just can't make yourself in any way vulnerable to people who have a thug mentality. They see friendliness as a means to wedge themselves into some kind of situation where they can exploit you somehow. They'll want a ride, they'll want to borrow shit, they'll keep track of when you're around and when you're out. It's a no win situation. Just like kids can't buddy up to bullies in school. And if it's short term like on a bus or whatever, they'll be on the lookout for you next time, looking for a way in.

Got some sleep and you're right I should have worded that better. Thinking back, while living in those neighborhoods we had a large theft from a neighbor, a fire set to our house by a neighbor, and even had several kittens go missing which we later figured out was the downstairs neighbor who didn't want his to get knocked up before we had a chance to neuter ours. No fights, but yes, using the term 'make friends with' was completely wrong as none of them were ever really friends. Not sure how to put it, it certainly wouldn't be trust, but maybe come to some kind of mutual understanding would be better.

[Yokohammer]

Got some sleep and you're right I should have worded that better. Thinking back, while living in those neighborhoods we had a large theft from a neighbor, a fire set to our house by a neighbor, and even had several kittens go missing which we later figured out was the downstairs neighbor who didn't want his to get knocked up before we had a chance to neuter ours. No fights, but yes, using the term 'make friends with' was completely wrong as none of them were ever really friends. Not sure how to put it, it certainly wouldn't be trust, but maybe come to some kind of mutual understanding would be better.

With those kind of people the only semi-stable relationship is ... a standoff.
Sort of a state of MAD (Mutually Assured Destruction).
I guess you could call that "mutual understanding, but it's very tiring. Sure as hell keeps you on your toes though.

[Screwed-down Hairdo]

...maybe come to some kind of mutual understanding would be better.

Isn't that what 44 Magnums are for in the U.S.?

[nikoneko]

With those kind of people the only semi-stable relationship is ... a standoff.
Sort of a state of MAD (Mutually Assured Destruction).
I guess you could call that "mutual understanding, but it's very tiring. Sure as hell keeps you on your toes though.

Yep MAD is probably the best way to say it. Though in our case as young stoned white kids most would have had us for lunch if it came to that. We were lucky in that we were all "musicians" so got off on that card, people somehow respected that.
As for the .44s... I would hear gunshots several times a week (and strangely most times not many sirens following if I remember right.) Never saw any of that first hand though, William S. Burroughs has a quote about how he survived in Tangiers, something like, you walk very slowly and keep your head down but notice everyone before they notice you and somehow you'll be safe. It's something like that.