We Chinese

[Jack]

Trouble in paradise?
[Article on China Daily]

Let me think. How many incidents has the Shinkansen suffered in over 40 years of service that were caused by non-natural causes? Close to zero? Let's see what the Chinese record will be after five years into service.

[Mulboyne]

It has broken down again. That makes three stoppages in four days.

Source (Japanese)

[matsuki]

It has broken down again. That makes three stoppages in four days.

Source (Japanese)

But...but....

A spokesman for the Chinese Railways Ministry says the nation's high-speed rail technologies are far superior to those used by Japan's bullet trains.

[Catoneinutica]

Japan's pitch was that its trains weren't as comfortable. But fuck comfort, they're lighter and cheaper to use!

In any case, it's endlessly amusing to watch China plagiarize Japan's playbook line for line (I don't mention Korea because they've long ago gone beyond anything Japan has accomplished economically).

[Coligny]

I thought they copied the Germans and Me first ?

http://www.sankakucomplex.com/2009/03/19/china-pirates-train/

[Jack]

But...but....

Yes, but it's all Kawasaki technology China is using and passing it as its own.

[matsuki]

Yes, but it's all Kawasaki technology China is using and passing it as its own.

Sarcasm seems to escape you Jack


I wonder how long it will take until manufacturing in China becomes unfeasible and WWIII begins. China vs. the rest of the world...

[Ganma]

[Taro Toporific]

[matsuki]

"We Chinese" know no bounds to IP infringement...

http://9to5mac.com/2011/07/19/chinas-fake-apple-store/

[Ganma]

While waiting in the doctors office today I saw on the news they were taking up Chinese blatant copyright infringement of J animation. The anime they showed was frame for frame the same as a Japanese one except it had crappier drawings.

[Typhoon]

"We Chinese" know no bounds to IP infringement...

http://9to5mac.com/2011/07/19/chinas-fake-apple-store/

The comments section suggests that this fake Apple store is selling real Apple products.

[Takechanpoo]

Even animation of bullet train.....
[YT]EfqXlY8izOI[/YT]
Ching Chong Chinese never cease to amaze me!!!

[james]

Even animation of bullet train.....
Ching Chong Chinese never cease to amaze me!!!

imitation is the highest form of flattery good find.

[james]

The comments section suggests that this fake Apple store is selling real Apple products.

which are made in ..

kind of scary that they've got it so down pat that the employees actually think they work for apple.

[Screwed-down Hairdo]

I'm getting old....I still remember when Japan used to be criticized for doing exactly what the Chinese are becoming increasingly adept at (and which the Japanese are ardently critical of).
And proof of aging...despite remembering the above, I can't for the life of me recall what I ate for breakfast 20 minutes ago....

[Typhoon]

I'm getting old....I still remember when Japan used to be criticized for doing exactly what the Chinese are becoming increasingly adept at (and which the Japanese are ardently critical of).
And proof of aging...despite remembering the above, I can't for the life of me recall what I ate for breakfast 20 minutes ago....

The Americans did it to the British.

The Japanese did it to the Americans and Germans.

The Taiwanese and Koreans did it to the Americans, Japanese, and Germans

The Chinese are doing it to the Americans, Japanese, Koreans, and Germans.

Once each country got rich, it discovered intellectual property rights.

Presumably the Chinese will too . . . one day.

[matsuki]

The Americans did it to the British.

The Japanese did it to the Americans and Germans.

The Taiwanese and Koreans did it to the Americans, Japanese, and Germans

The Chinese are doing it to the Americans, Japanese, Koreans, and Germans.

Once each country got rich, it discovered intellectual property rights.

Presumably the Chinese will too . . . one day.

I dunno if the Chinese will ever get to that point...Taiwan maybe, but mainland China manufacturing without foreign QC is where L's become S's. Sure, many countries in the past were guilty of the same IP rights violations but the difference nowadays is the products are sold on the international market in much larger quantity. China is worse than Japan when it comes to closed market and predatory business practices. My one experience with manufacturing there was enough to never want to deal with that place again. WWIII is gonna be China vs. most of the rest of the world.

[Jack]

The Americans did it to the British.

The Japanese did it to the Americans and Germans.

The Taiwanese and Koreans did it to the Americans, Japanese, and Germans

The Chinese are doing it to the Americans, Japanese, Koreans, and Germans.

Once each country got rich, it discovered intellectual property rights.

Presumably the Chinese will too . . . one day.

I disagree with the above. No other country has copied as much as the Chinese are doing today. Even Japan never copied product so blatantly. They may have taken the Swiss watches and made them cheaper using batteries but they never copied a Rolex and sold it as a knock-off.

Japan has always been quality-conscious in its domestic market but in order to establish itself in foreign markets, it went in at the low-end seeing an opportunity in being price leader. As soon as it got distribution established, it quickly moved up the quality chain. China culturally does not have a quality obsession. In Chinese culture it's make a buck or save a buck any way you can.

[Screwed-down Hairdo]

As soon as it got distribution established, it quickly moved its manufacturing industry to China.

FTFY!

[cujojpn]

Well, that did not last long at all.

The Chinese D train derailed with two of its carriages falling off a bridge. The number of casualties, however, is still unknown, according to the official Xinhua news agency.

The train, travelling from Hangzhou to Wenzhou, went off the rails in eastern China's Zhejiang province around 8:30pm (1230 GMT), it reported, citing local firefighting sources.

- Source

[Jack]

That's wicked. It's so fucking serious that it's not even funny.

China, eat some humble fucking pie.

[Yokohammer]

Now will they blame their "original" technology or Japanese technology for that?

BTW ... looks like close to 40 dead and 100 injured so far.

[BigInJapan]

Now will they blame their "original" technology or Japanese technology for that?
BTW ... looks like close to 40 dead and 100 injured so far.

They might have a tough time blaming Japan for this one...

The greatest merits of the Shinkansen are its (1) Safety, (2) High speed, (3) Mass transport capabilities, (4) Punctuality, and (5) High frequency.

As for safety, the Shinkansen has had no fatal accidents throughout its 36 years of history. [Cont.]

(Of course I'm sure this does not include a few jumpers, but that's a different story...)

[Caustic Saint]

Now will they blame their "original" technology or Japanese technology for that?

BTW ... looks like close to 40 dead and 100 injured so far.

I was wondering the same thing. They haven't really left themselves an out to blame somebody else, after all their "100% Chinese design/tech" statements.

[Mike Oxlong]

It seems their railway traffic management system had some sort of catastrophuque.

[james]

I dunno if the Chinese will ever get to that point...Taiwan maybe, but mainland China manufacturing without foreign QC is where L's become S's. Sure, many countries in the past were guilty of the same IP rights violations but the difference nowadays is the products are sold on the international market in much larger quantity. China is worse than Japan when it comes to closed market and predatory business practices. My one experience with manufacturing there was enough to never want to deal with that place again. WWIII is gonna be China vs. most of the rest of the world.

i found this article (globe and mail) which actually details two trends that contrast this view. firsly, the upward movement to higher-tier manufacturing and secondly the growing domestic market demand for these products.

an interesting read, in any case. there's a lot of hate on china in this thread, but we tend to forget just how comfortable we are at times. i'm not saying that what they're doing is right or that there aren't issues re ip infringement, ethics and environmental degradation but it's easy for us to sit here and judge them by our standards when we've had a 50 year head start. they're a nation of over a billion people trying to achieve a quality of life that we take for granted. as mentioned in another post, they're not the first nation to follow this path nor will they be the last.

if we in the west are loathe of their success, perhaps we need to look at our current business model and lack of long-term vision which doesn't seem to go beyond the next quarter's earning reports.

[Mike Oxlong]

Made in China Takes on a Whole New Meaning
Thanks, James. Your link had the mobile tags on the front and back end and doesn't work on full size browsers.

[Jack]

i found this article (globe and mail) which actually details two trends that contrast this view. firsly, the upward movement to higher-tier manufacturing and secondly the growing domestic market demand for these products.

an interesting read, in any case. there's a lot of hate on china in this thread, but we tend to forget just how comfortable we are at times. i'm not saying that what they're doing is right or that there aren't issues re ip infringement, ethics and environmental degradation but it's easy for us to sit here and judge them by our standards when we've had a 50 year head start. they're a nation of over a billion people trying to achieve a quality of life that we take for granted. as mentioned in another post, they're not the first nation to follow this path nor will they be the last.

if we in the west are loathe of their success, perhaps we need to look at our current business model and lack of long-term vision which doesn't seem to go beyond the next quarter's earning reports.

I think the summation your put forward belongs in another thread. This thread is about China bragging, gloating and choaking in pride for having stolen a Japanes etechnology and passing it as its own, while not being able to even manage the basics.

Being a developing country and moving up the development ranks is encouraged and look upon in admiration if done humbly like many other countries (Vietnam). But when done arrogantly and by flexing regional muscle (Sankaku Islands) when your time hasn't yet come, you expose to ridicule as in here.

Like I said before, China, shut the fuck up and eat some humble pie and when you grow up to play with us, we will call you.

[Jack]

i found this article (globe and mail) which actually details two trends that contrast this view. firsly, the upward movement to higher-tier manufacturing and secondly the growing domestic market demand for these products.

an interesting read, in any case. there's a lot of hate on china in this thread, but we tend to forget just how comfortable we are at times. i'm not saying that what they're doing is right or that there aren't issues re ip infringement, ethics and environmental degradation but it's easy for us to sit here and judge them by our standards when we've had a 50 year head start. they're a nation of over a billion people trying to achieve a quality of life that we take for granted. as mentioned in another post, they're not the first nation to follow this path nor will they be the last.

if we in the west are loathe of their success, perhaps we need to look at our current business model and lack of long-term vision which doesn't seem to go beyond the next quarter's earning reports.

OK, I took a deep breath and read the artricle and I can comment on it now. It us 100% bullshit with a reporter trying to come up with a story where none exists.

This is not about China moving up the value chain, it's about Celestica putting a plant where there is cheap labour. That plant could have been in the jungles of Namibia if monkeys were more dexterous. The technology is Canadian and the marketing is a Canadian effort. Celstica has gone around the world and asked for bids on labour to put gadget A in slot B and gadget C in slot D and China bid the lowest. The moment labour costs go up the plant could move to Vietnam.

Whether you are making X-ray machines or Hello Kitty toys, you are not advancing in technology when the technology is not yours.