Jibaiseki hoken... expired?

[Kanchou]

Is it possible for a car with 1.5 years of shaken left to have expired jibaiseki hoken? Does jibaiseki hoken expire when you change the owners name?

[Greji]

Is it possible for a car with 1.5 years of shaken left to have expired jibaiseki hoken? Does jibaiseki hoken expire when you change the owners name?

You might be talking about the same thing. Shaken simply means Kuruma-sha and Kensa-ken. That is the actual registration and inspection on your car. But shaken has come to mean the Japan Compulsary Insurance (JCI) for all cars that you must have and you will not receive the sexy little sticker in your front window until you pass the inspection and present the JCI documents (or whoever you are paying for your inspection, does this.) It is easy to get confused because although actual Shaken and JCI are two separate matters, they just must be processed at the same time and people call one, or both shaken.

If you change ownership of a car, the registration and the JCI (jibaiseki hokken) remains valid until the experation date on the paperwork (the one on the windshield sticker). At that time you will have to go for a new inspection and then you will need to change the JCI into your name. You can change the name over before that, but nobody does that because it is redundant and not necessary since you have to change it for the following inspection anyway.

Incidentally, the date on these documents, which is the same as the stickern indicates the processing date. You have 30 days from that date to do your shaken and JCI.

Hope I didn't confuse you..

[Mike Oxlong]

The exception being going from a Y-plate to a kanji-plate. AFAIK you would need to redo the shaken process when changing owners in that case (someone on SOFA selling to someone without).

[Kanchou]

It's not my car, but a dealer told me I couldn't test drive the car even though it has more than a year of shaken because it has no JIBAISEKI left.

[Greji]

It's not my car, but a dealer told me I couldn't test drive the car even though it has more than a year of shaken because it has no JIBAISEKI left.

That could be possible, but it would have to be an unusual exception to the norm. The time for inspection (shaken) and the time for JCI (jibaiseki) are almost always the same. The reason is that the shaken determines that the vehicle is safe to register to run on the roads and this is also taken that it is safe to insure. JCI is normally sold for the period of the shaken, which will reinforce the insurability of the car.

Could it be that yon dealer was yanking your chain and just didn't wanna give up a test drive?

[Greji]

The exception being going from a Y-plate to a kanji-plate. AFAIK you would need to redo the shaken process when changing owners in that case (someone on SOFA selling to someone without).

Technically, you're right on that Mike. The reason this is done is not because of the Y-plate. It is because of the E-plates and M-plates (there were some others, but are mostly not used any more.)

The Y-plate simply means that Japanese tax has been paid originally on the vehicle, which is the reason you see most of those plates on Japanese made cars. Cars of a foreign make which are brought to Japan by US Forces members will have an E-plate, or M-plate and means the original J-tax was not paid on these cars. Since both are under SOFA, when either is sold to a non-SOFA member, it has to be re-registered to determine the tax status.

Therefore it is technically not necessary to do this for a Y-number, but in actuality, the J-government will usually require re-registration even though the tax status will remain the same.

Tax on E and M-plates will go up, because they will revert to status of an "import" if sold to a non-SOFA member and the taxes will be adjusted upward as appropriate.

[Kanchou]

Could it be that yon dealer was yanking your chain and just didn't wanna give up a test drive?

This is exactly why I'm asking.

[Coligny]

This is exactly why I'm asking.

as mentionned in another thread... Unless it's an exceptionnal collector car that you were hunting for a good part of your life... GO SOMEWHERE ELSE... it's not the second hands cars that are missing in this country...

[Kanchou]

It was a reasonable price before the Jessie James fees... but it went up 50% with shaken. I wonder if they'll take 100,000 off... lol

[matsuki]

It was a reasonable price before the Jessie James fees... but it went up 50% with shaken. I wonder if they'll take 100,000 off... lol

As Coligny said, it's a buyer's market, can't hurt to ask.

[Kanchou]

This particular dealer is being really unreasonable... the say "sure, we'll let you drive it as long as you found a guarantor." When I tell them I have cash (well, I don't, but I can get it), the guy expects me to buy it immediately after seeing it doesn't have any problems.

I wonder how this dealer stays in business... they are allergic to test drives, yet they don't give you a guarantee even if you pay $1000 in pre-purchase service, inspections, etc.

So they can fuck off.

I'm going to Tokyo tomorrow anyway, and there's a dealer there that specializes in RX-7s and has one in similar condition for about the same price.

[Russell]

This particular dealer is being really unreasonable... the say "sure, we'll let you drive it as long as you found a guarantor." When I tell them I have cash (well, I don't, but I can get it), the guy expects me to buy it immediately after seeing it doesn't have any problems.

I wonder how this dealer stays in business... they are allergic to test drives, yet they don't give you a guarantee even if you pay $1000 in pre-purchase service, inspections, etc.

So they can fuck off.

I'm going to Tokyo tomorrow anyway, and there's a dealer there that specializes in RX-7s and has one in similar condition for about the same price.

Just wondering why you stuck with this dealer in the first place. It sounds like a typical experience in a Hong-Kong camera shop.

[Kanchou]

It was the only place with an RX7 (with any shaken left) for an affordable price within a reasonable driving distance.

Apparently they don't know anything about selling used cars, which is surprising seeing as how they have three stores...

[Coligny]

It was the only place with an RX7 (with any shaken left) for an affordable price within a reasonable driving distance.

Apparently they don't know anything about selling used cars, which is surprising seeing as how they have three stores...

RX7... with rotary engine... not exactly the kind of car to buy on the cheap second hand me think... there was few FD on sale locally not long ago, bad luck they never made a shooting break version...

Yahoo got's'aplenty.... but expensive it seems...

http://auctions.search.yahoo.co.jp/search?p=rx7&auccat=26360&alocale=0jp&acc=jp&tab_ex=commerce&ei=euc-jp

[Russell]

It was the only place with an RX7 (with any shaken left) for an affordable price within a reasonable driving distance.

Apparently they don't know anything about selling used cars, which is surprising seeing as how they have three stores...

Could have been a car with past water damage. Better watch out with those.

[matsuki]

It was the only place with an RX7 (with any shaken left) for an affordable price within a reasonable driving distance.

Apparently they don't know anything about selling used cars, which is surprising seeing as how they have three stores...

Hit up Shino (Amuzement) or Final Konnexion...they both deal in used cars from the auctions and should be able to get you a reasonable deal on on a FC or FD.