Nigerians

[Samurai_Jerk]

ha ha! Touché]

I really do think it's an age thing. When I was first in Japan at age 23, those guys would try to get me into their shops all the time. When I came back at 30, they totally ignored me.

I believe the title of the article "Japan's Nigerians pay price for prosperity" is misleading ...or at least, confusing. It seems to imply somehow their poor image is due to factors they are not responsible for ... either their financial success or Japan's relative prosperity. How about "Japan's Nigerians pay price for their criminal behavior and general scuzzy business practices" ?

The title also implies they are prosperous.

[matsuki]

I would have thought any report on Nigerians in Japan might have benefited from a look at why they have a larger presence than some other nations. It's often been said that the foreign ministry struck a similar deal with Nigeria as it did with Iran: a tacit open-door policy in exchange for security in oil supplies.

If that is indeed true, then one of the problems with the policy might have been that employers didn't really want them. If their applications were given less scrutiny, then immigrants from both countries may also have been less qualified.

Both of those groups have a reputation for being closely involved with semi-legal or outright illegal businesses and perhaps that is no coincidence. The writer mentions in his posts here that many if the Nigerians he met would like to have returned to factory jobs and it's worth looking more closely at the claim.

There was plenty of factory work around until the financial crisis hit which is one reason we saw ever-rising numbers of immigrants, from Brazil, China and the Philippines in particular. Nigerians didn't start getting involved with mizu shobai work only recently, they were a significant presence a good ten years before Lehmans went under and probably further back. If some say they wanted those factory jobs, why didn't they get them?

It's certainly possible that employers didn't want them. Firms who employed them at first might have felt they had done their bit for Japan taking them on at all and declined to renew their contracts once they ran out. If so, was that because Nigerians were less skilled or less reliable, or was it just the case that employers didn't like having a lot of large black men around?

If employers were actually prepared to take them on then it suggests that Nigerians actively chose not to pursue those opportunities. Sure, now everyone is suffering, factory jobs may look more stable and attractive than working as a street tout but why didn't more choose that option 10-15 years ago? It would be interesting to know the Nigerian community's take on that matter.

And Mulby hits the nail right on the head...

[BigInJapan]

thats cause they know FGs dont wear that stupid shit they sell for wannabe rappers...

so stupid the shit they wear...

Something like this maybe?

[matsuki]

Not sure which is worse, that or the super feminine shit they wear now.

[Kanchou]

Did anyone else notice that despite the fact that he's apparently wearing generic white socks, they cost 1000 yen. Japan.

[Ol Dirty Gaijin]

Something like this maybe?

http://www.fuckedgaijin.com/forums/showthread.php?p=229665#post229665

[xenomorph42]

Well, what do the Japanese expect?

I mean, they let all that 3rd World Trash into their nice Country...well they get all the "Trash".

Name me a country that doesn't have a problem with 3rd world immigrants.

[Typhoon]

Something like this maybe?

Naw, more like this . . .

[Russell]

Name me a country that doesn't have a problem with 3rd world immigrants.

Nigeria

[Typhoon]

[quote="Russell"]Nigeria ]

Nigeria Deports Hundreds of Illegal Immigrants

[Greji]

Naw, more like this . . .

Was that taken in Roppongi? I think the guy their holding used to be a tout for the old 911.....

[Russell]

Nigeria Deports Hundreds of Illegal Immigrants

Thanks for the reality check. I did not expect that!

[xenomorph42]

[quote="Russell"]Nigeria ]

Touche

[TennoChinko]

Who's Amy Chavez?

I considered going the marriage of convenience route to stay in Japan, but not all that seriously.

Anyway, my intent with the article certainly wasn't to reinforce the idea that Nigerians are crime-minded. They have their criminals and their paragons. That's not newsworthy. What's slightly more newsworthy is that there's a series of circumstances, underreported, that make it difficult for those people who are neither born criminals nor born paragons to make it work for themselves and their families.

I can't possibly describe in anything shorter than an anthropological treatise how little money-mindedness exists in American culture when compared to Igbo/Nigerian culture. As one important member of the Nigerian community here put it to me, "In Nigeria, it doesn't matter who you are, what you do, who you are interested in. The only thing people want to know is how much money you have."

In America, talent, sociability, etc. can get you a long way. In Nigeria that stuff rarely matters unless you take it to the bank. Or at least that's the impression I've gotten. Does that encourage people to take shortcuts? Of course it does. I don't think anybody I spoke to denied that. But that's not news. You'll find similar shortcuts taken in almost every developing country that's resource-rich.

Amy Chavez. Her HP is here. and here oft-maligned articles on JapanTimes can be found here.

Honestly, and I am not trying to be overly mean, when I read your article I wondered whether you (the author) were yourself a Nigerian in an attempt to provide some positive-sounding propaganda. I am sure you may have been sincere in your convictions, but the manner in which you systematically addressed and then dismissed the serious allegations of drink spiking and extortion by Nigerian-run bars and clubs made me question your common sense and/or motives as a journalist. 'Hey~! It's not as bad as it sounds. They're just tryin' to make a livin'...'

Also, if you bothered to read the numerous online warnings from the US Embassy's American Citizen Services (ACS) Warden, you would have noted their extreme prissy political-correctness. They went out of their way to exclude the terms Nigerian in their warnings to the general public as it might be considered - by the politically-correct watchdogs - as 'racist'. So, instead it sparked a general fear of all drinking establishments within Roppongi. Newbies would wonder whether bars like Hobgoblin, Paddy Foley's, Propaganda etc were "safe".



[SIZE="4"]Fucked Gaijin of Tokyo! Do not be controlled by your irrational prejudices!! The next time your friendly neighborhood Nigerian businessman invites you to his drinking establishment, by all means, accept his invitation! You have nothing to worry about. And, they accept all credit cards! Do not deny yourself the opportunity to enrich yourself culturally![/SIZE]

[Catoneinutica]

Also, if you bothered to read the numerous online warnings from the US Embassy's American Citizen Services (ACS) Warden, you would have noted their extreme prissy political-correctness. They went out of their way to exclude the terms Nigerian in their warnings to the general public as it might be considered - by the politically-correct watchdogs - as 'racist'. So, instead it sparked a general fear of all drinking establishments within Roppongi. Newbies would wonder whether bars like Hobgoblin, Paddy Foley's, Propaganda etc were "safe".

Meh, I think most people are pretty adept at decoding PC euphemisms and goobledygook. The Nigerians are, of course, just sub-Saharan footsoldiers for the yax, who, of course, go together with the drinkin' business here like flies to shit. So a general word to the wise even about dorktacular places like Propaganda isn't that untoward.

[Gum]

Has anyone run into the fake Jamaican (Nigerian) hip hop clothing shop touts positioned in the middle of Takeshita Dori in Harajuku?

Haha, I was waiting for this to pop up because slightly confusing to me. (I don't quiet understand why they say they are Jamaican) I bumped into a group of them in the middle of takeshita (I am not sure why a small convo. struck but I think I was auth. checking some Evisu denim just out of curiosity (Even though by the tag they were clearly unauth).

Me:"Lawl what are you doing up in this area? -small chat-blahblah/Where are you from bro?"
Him: "Jamaica"...
Me:"Ohhhh cooOOl I am originally from Puerto Rico, we are like neighbors"

We had a small moment fully equipped with the brofirst handshake/hug and "Hand gun" "braap brrrap" thing... (This was one of my first times in Takeshita) I was quickly escorted away from them by one of my friends which was super creeped out by the fact that I was even 3 feet next to them... It was uh interesting breaking that moment down to my buddy later on that day. Guaranteed laughs at least.

Anyways, I've always wondered.. Do they own those little shops? Or are they just hired to literally to appeal to that "hip hop" crowd? Also I am sad I was lied to... I thought we shared some chemistry.

-Gum-

[Ganma]

They're back in Machida. For a while there I thought they had been sent packing after some incident a couple of years ago.

[sublight]

Noticed that Richards submitted essentially the same story to Metropolis, down to interviews with the same people (including Saint, though minus the "Japan deserved the earthquake" angle).

Fucked Gaijin of Tokyo! Do not be controlled by your irrational prejudices!! The next time your friendly neighborhood Nigerian businessman invites you to his drinking establishment, by all means, accept his invitation! You have nothing to worry about. And, they accept all credit cards! Do not deny yourself the opportunity to enrich yourself culturally!

Pretty much. The Metropolis article urges people to go visit Climax (a hostess club run by one of the interviewees), saying "where you are definitely not going to get ripped off."

[McTojo]

Amy Chavez. Her HP is here. and here oft-maligned articles on JapanTimes can be found here.

Honestly, and I am not trying to be overly mean, when I read your article I wondered whether you (the author) were yourself a Nigerian in an attempt to provide some positive-sounding propaganda. I am sure you may have been sincere in your convictions, but the manner in which you systematically addressed and then dismissed the serious allegations of drink spiking and extortion by Nigerian-run bars and clubs made me question your common sense and/or motives as a journalist. 'Hey~! It's not as bad as it sounds. They're just tryin' to make a livin'...'

Also, if you bothered to read the numerous online warnings from the US Embassy's American Citizen Services (ACS) Warden, you would have noted their extreme prissy political-correctness. They went out of their way to exclude the terms Nigerian in their warnings to the general public as it might be considered - by the politically-correct watchdogs - as 'racist'. So, instead it sparked a general fear of all drinking establishments within Roppongi. Newbies would wonder whether bars like Hobgoblin, Paddy Foley's, Propaganda etc were "safe".



[SIZE="4"]Fucked Gaijin of Tokyo! Do not be controlled by your irrational prejudices!! The next time your friendly neighborhood Nigerian businessman invites you to his drinking establishment, by all means, accept his invitation! You have nothing to worry about. And, they accept all credit cards! Do not deny yourself the opportunity to enrich yourself culturally![/SIZE]

Drink in your own bars and stay away from Japanese ones.

[Greji]

Drink in your own bars and stay away from Japanese ones.

What the fuck you McTutu? I was under the impression that we were in Japan. Are you located elsewhere? e

[Ganma]

[Russell]

[matsuki]

[Greji]

More news on (one of) our Nigerian friends...

I don't think that defrauding and/or stealing from a lawyer should be considered a crime....

[Great Thing]

I was friends with a bunch of nice college students from Nigeria.. when I lived in the UK. I just run into the hustlers on Tokyo streets. I don't know what the ratio is, but they aren't all bad.

[Greji]

??? What a load of hypocrisy. I read this article but somehow I wasn't able to feel warm and fuzzy about their 'plight' one bit.

I especially like this part: ".....After speaking with several alleged victims and implicated club owners, reviewing documentation provided by both parties (credit card records in particular) and examining the police investigations that followed, I became convinced that while some drink-spiking did occur, most of the incidents that led to allegations of drink-spiking didn't involve anything criminal....."

Examined police investiigations? Who the fuck is this swish trying to kid? The boy has obviously not done many nighttime field trips to Roppongi. "some drink spiking did occur," he says! There are a couple of gin mills there that would educate his naive ass fast when he wakes up on the street outside in his BVDs! Maybe that might convince him a little further.

[Greji]

Don't feed the troll. He is just trying to get somebody to bite. His schtick is dull and predictable. Just ignore it and your life will be much happier.

No, that's just McTombo. He came to Japan after a repressed childhood and some J-person finally said something nice to him and he/she gave him his first blowjob, which was the final evidence to him he that he fit in and had found a home. Now he is one of the four seasons crowd.

He's not trolling, he just wants to testify before all the unsaved brothers and sisters.

[matsuki]

I especially like this part: ".....After speaking with several alleged victims and implicated club owners, reviewing documentation provided by both parties (credit card records in particular) and examining the police investigations that followed, I became convinced that while some drink-spiking did occur, most of the incidents that led to allegations of drink-spiking didn't involve anything criminal....."

Examined police investiigations? Who the fuck is this swish trying to kid? The boy has obviously not done many nighttime field trips to Roppongi. "some drink spiking did occur," he says! There are a couple of gin mills there that would educate his naive ass fast when he wakes up on the street outside in his BVDs! Maybe that might convince him a little further.

Yeah, the J-police are going to just hand over their case documentation and records to a FG "reporter."

[Dreamy_Peach]

However, back-in-the-day, my encounters with Nigerian customers in clubs/bars ALWAYS resulted in conflict even though I'm always a mr-nice-guy.

Yep - same here.

Aside from one tried and trusted bar on the strip, if there's a black dude on the door I won't go in.

[Russell]

Some good news...

Nigeria will today make history in the global community in Russia as NigeriaSat-2 and NigeriaSat-X satellites go into orbit at exactly 8:12 a.m. local time.

The head, media and corporate affairs of the National Space Research and Development Agency, Felix Ale, said all is now set for the successful launch of the two new satellites at the launch site in Yasny in Russian Federation at the stipulated time.

According to him, the two spacecraft have been integrated on the launch vehicle and fuelling of the launcher is already completed, while all parameters required for a successful launch have all been met.

The Federal Government delegation to the launch, led by Minister of Science and Technology, Professor Ita Okon Bassey Ewa, has arrived Russia and in contact with the Nigerian Embassy in Russia.

The delegation will be departing Moscow for the launch site in Yasny that is about two hours flight from the Russian capital, to witness the historic event.

NigeriaSat-2 after its launch would be the most advanced satellite of its kind in the global community.

The imaging mode is unique, due to the agility of the spacecraft.

The satellites will allow imaging in the various modes, and pave way for data sets for more application which are not possible with most satellites of its kind.

The launch of NigeriaSat-2 and NigeriaSat-X is expected to provoke data revolution of high resolution in Nigeria and Africa as a whole.

The potential areas of application of the two satellites are agriculture, forestry, land use and mapping, environmental and disaster monitoring, mitigation and management, geological mapping and transportation.

Others are hydrology and water resources, population and urban development, National Geospatial Data Infrastructure (NGDI), as well as military, security and tourism.

The successful launch of NigeriaSat-2 and NigeriaSat-X will no doubt re-echo the strategic position of Nigeria as a leading space faring nation in Africa, but it would also represent a landmark achievement of the government and people of Nigeria in the field of space science and technology across the globe. link...