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Half of Fukushima Families with Young Children Want To Leave Fukushima

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Half of Fukushima Families with Young Children Want To Leave Fukushima

Postby Mulboyne » Sat Sep 10, 2011 1:18 am

The Asahi Shimbun and TV Asahi have conducted a telephone survey of residents in Miyagi, Iwate and Fukushima. Asked about radiation worries, around a third of Miyage and Iwate citizens selected "greatly concerned" while the figure in Fukushima was 54%. Only Fukushima residents were posed the question of whether, given the chance, they would opt to live elsewhere. 34% replied they would, while this figure rose to 51% for families with young children. Of course, in the glass half-full scenario, half the prefecture is happy to stay where they are. However, this sort of result indicates that the authorities have a long way to go in reassuring the public. In other news, plans to open a "Support Fukishima Store" in Fukuoka, selling produce from the area, have been cancelled. The outlet was intended to provide a route for struggling farmers in the troubled prefecture to reach sympathetic consumers. There were complaints, however, from some saying they feared trucks from Fukushima would bring contamination. Store owners in the mall where the outlet was planned also raised concerns that shoppers might stay away.

Sources here and [url=http://www.asahi.com/national/update/0908/SEB201109080024.html]here[/URL] (Japanese)
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Postby Screwed-down Hairdo » Sat Sep 10, 2011 8:16 am

Mulboyne wrote:...plans to open a "Support Fukishima Store" in Fukuoka, selling produce from the area, have been cancelled. The outlet was intended to provide a route for struggling farmers in the troubled prefecture to reach sympathetic consumers. There were complaints, however, from some saying they feared trucks from Fukushima would bring contamination. Store owners in the mall where the outlet was planned also raised concerns that shoppers might stay away...


How archetypically Japanese reaction to the crisis has been...
1. The whole cuntry goes into collective mourning for being victims of an horrendous series of disasters (sating the national craving for self-pity).
2. Mourning stops when they realize they're further fucking over an econnomy only slightly less corrupt and debt-ridden than Zimbabwe.
3. Victims are still mourned profusely and every piece of correspondence posted in Japanese for months begins with a prayer for their well-being.
4. Any and all measures aimed at faster recovery is given strongly vociferous and widespread approval.
5. Any activity that actually involves coming into direct contact with people from the radiation zone is steadfastly avoided and people and products originating from the area are shunned and treated like pariahs.

As the cuntry's greatest poet may have said in one of his more lyrical moments:
Ah Fukushima, ah fukushima, ah fukushima
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Postby Coligny » Sat Sep 10, 2011 9:39 am

Mulboyne wrote:Of course, in the glass half-full scenario, half the prefecture is happy to stay where they are.


Yea... but no... I think with these kind of results you can't even try to hide behind twisted numbers interpretation to save your ass...

(numerically... it's correct... look behind the numbers... it's fucked...)
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Postby legion » Sat Sep 10, 2011 5:09 pm

and it doesn't include those who have already left

Tepco fucked up an entire prefecture. Next time there is a large quake they should deploy the military to any reactor in the area and shut them down from day one.
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Postby Coligny » Sat Sep 10, 2011 7:10 pm

legion wrote:and it doesn't include those who have already left

Tepco fucked up an entire prefecture. Next time there is a large quake they should deploy the military to any reactor in the area and shut them down from day one.


I don't know if i'm the only one having this thought...

But i immediately pictured some dunce in a highrise tepco office, reading this, clinching his little fist while mumbling "next time, we can do better !"
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Postby ghostunit » Sun Sep 11, 2011 6:18 am

legion wrote:Next time there is a large quake they should deploy the military to any reactor in the area and shut them down from day one.


What are you talking about? shutting down a reactor isn't anything like pushing the off button or pulling down a few levers in sequence.

The corium (the mixture of nuclear fuel inside the reactor) becomes increasingly hot whenever it's not being actively cooled. If the control systems are destroyed and not restored in time, a melt-down becomes practically impossible to stop.

I fail to see how an army can improve the situation.
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Postby Coligny » Sun Sep 11, 2011 7:38 am

ghostunit wrote:What are you talking about? shutting down a reactor isn't anything like pushing the off button or pulling down a few levers in sequence.

The corium (the mixture of nuclear fuel inside the reactor) becomes increasingly hot whenever it's not being actively cooled. If the control systems are destroyed and not restored in time, a melt-down becomes practically impossible to stop.

I fail to see how an army can improve the situation.


Control system are for normal operation. When the shit hit the fan priority is for cooling with whatever you have on hand (usually water but boric acid can be good too), delivered by whatever means available...

Armies tend to have shitloads of helicopters and trucks able to carry at least water, also most of them have NBC equipment and training. And most of all, they don't give a shit aboot saving the plant putting usually priority into containing accidents.

I think that beat hands down tepco, their dozen of Totoya Probox and cleanup teams frech from Hello Work...
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Postby legion » Sun Sep 11, 2011 4:45 pm

ghostunit wrote:What are you talking about? shutting down a reactor isn't anything like pushing the off button or pulling down a few levers in sequence.

The corium (the mixture of nuclear fuel inside the reactor) becomes increasingly hot whenever it's not being actively cooled. If the control systems are destroyed and not restored in time, a melt-down becomes practically impossible to stop.

I fail to see how an army can improve the situation.


Pumping sea water from the start would have been a good idea, rather than delaying in an attempt to save a 40 year old plant. So someone who does not have a financial interest giving the orders is one lesson we learn. Especially if they are wearing green clothes and carrying metal things.
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Postby Screwed-down Hairdo » Sun Sep 11, 2011 8:34 pm

legion wrote:Especially if they are wearing green clothes and carrying metal things.


I've yet to see the two safety methods the Japanese never fail to employ in the greatest of calamities, which seems to pretty much apply here.
1) Putting on Mickey Mouse gloves and pointing (I guess the mystery man at Fukushima might count here...?)
2) Taking out a tape measure and measuring.

People in green clothes carrying metal things is probably a good start, though...

No wonder they haven't got this thing under control.
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Postby IparryU » Mon Sep 12, 2011 10:07 am

Coligny wrote:Control system are for normal operation. When the shit hit the fan priority is for cooling with whatever you have on hand (usually water but boric acid can be good too), delivered by whatever means available...

Armies tend to have shitloads of helicopters and trucks able to carry at least water, also most of them have NBC equipment and training. And most of all, they don't give a shit aboot saving the plant putting usually priority into containing accidents.

I think that beat hands down tepco, their dozen of Totoya Probox and cleanup teams frech from Hello Work...

are we talking about the JSDF? last I heard that they had to call in the USMC to defuse a land mine...

maybe some of the gunjin here can give their insight on this? whenever i see police/fire/military training here it reminds me of handicappable boyscouts...
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Postby Coligny » Mon Sep 12, 2011 11:24 am

IparryU wrote:are we talking about the JSDF? last I heard that they had to call in the USMC to defuse a land mine...



awww... fuck...
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Postby IparryU » Mon Sep 12, 2011 11:47 am

Coligny wrote:awww... fuck...

not to mention that my wife found a news report (with jap-subs) about how FG scientists are in Japan looking over the radiation levels in humans and the land... this was about how the Japanese people felt like test subjects of FGs.... i told her that that is what the j-govt should be doing but has no experience, skill, or givafuck to do so.

took about 30 minutes for her to get past her Japanese ignorance to figure out that by conducting experiments on the survivors, dead, land, etc. that it would lead to treatment and recovery of the land there...

sure the fuck a lot better than, "hey everyone, ganman and take a couple tons of this contaminated soil/sand/etc and put it in your non-contaminated area!"

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Postby Coligny » Mon Sep 12, 2011 12:13 pm

IparryU wrote:took about 30 minutes for her to get past her Japanese ignorance to figure out that by conducting experiments on the survivors, dead, land, etc. that it would lead to treatment and recovery of the land there...


It's funny because as much of an Uyoku as me bitch usually is, she's reacting in a remarquably smart manner to this clusterfuck not believing 1 second the state propaganda and packing heat at every tv circus show claiming all is good... A bit like her father, not exactly here to make friends if it's with these kind of people...

Might be a bit of a local thing... The municipal hospital refuse to prescribe any newly approved drug for a period of 1 year during which effect on patients from other hospital is monitored... And since she work there instead of the previous university hospital I never once spend a week end in a luxury hotel for some conference paid by pharmacy companies :-( The best they get is weekly sandwiches (not even good) from the company in charge of the computer system... (which is a masterpiece of redundancy with the usual administrative staff... but sufficiently unproperly streamlined that if you remove one or another or if there is the smallest glitch from human or computer absolutely everything break to a standstill...)
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Postby IparryU » Mon Sep 12, 2011 6:36 pm

Coligny wrote:It's funny because as much of an Uyoku as me bitch usually is, she's reacting in a remarquably smart manner to this clusterfuck not believing 1 second the state propaganda and packing heat at every tv circus show claiming all is good... A bit like her father, not exactly here to make friends if it's with these kind of people...

Might be a bit of a local thing... The municipal hospital refuse to prescribe any newly approved drug for a period of 1 year during which effect on patients from other hospital is monitored... And since she work there instead of the previous university hospital I never once spend a week end in a luxury hotel for some conference paid by pharmacy companies :-( The best they get is weekly sandwiches (not even good) from the company in charge of the computer system... (which is a masterpiece of redundancy with the usual administrative staff... but sufficiently unproperly streamlined that if you remove one or another or if there is the smallest glitch from human or computer absolutely everything break to a standstill...)

no medication can be approved unless it was tested on a Japanese.... like they are different from other human beings... but it makes sense to a Japanese if you tell them that...

uni hospitals are a bit better than the muni ones out here... at home I have Kaiser Permenente and the only thing I would bitch about was their long waiting lines compared to USDavis who had regular complaints about their practice procedures and "in and out" Drs... the majority of ppl didn't realize that that was because they were not Dr.s but Dr.s in training...

then again... my dad got Hepatitis C from a fucked blood transfusion at Kaiser... so cant say that much about Uni Hospitals vs Muni or Private Hospitals.

One thing I can say is that the treatment from these Japanese Muni Hospitals are just... out of date. Same ol' powdered medicine from 10 years ago and they still say that they dont want to give people chemicals for medicine... medicine is a combination of chemicals... WTF?
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Postby Coligny » Mon Sep 12, 2011 10:42 pm

IparryU wrote:no medication can be approved unless it was tested on a Japanese.... like they are different from other human beings... but it makes sense to a Japanese if you tell them that...


I mean after they are approved by the japanese ministry of health...

And... to be honest... drugs approved in the USA are... maybe not as bad as the roundup fiasco... but I won't exactly trust them on th3 spot... (unless i'm a shareholder for the drug company, and not a patient)
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Postby legion » Mon Sep 19, 2011 10:04 pm

ghostunit wrote:What are you talking about? shutting down a reactor isn't anything like pushing the off button or pulling down a few levers in sequence.

The corium (the mixture of nuclear fuel inside the reactor) becomes increasingly hot whenever it's not being actively cooled. If the control systems are destroyed and not restored in time, a melt-down becomes practically impossible to stop.

I fail to see how an army can improve the situation.


this

A computer simulation has shown that the core meltdown of the No. 2 reactor of the Fukushima No. 1 nuclear power plant could almost certainly have been prevented if the injection of seawater to cool the reactor had been started four hours earlier than it was.

The simulation was conducted by a research team led by Tadashi Watanabe, senior scientist at the Japan Atomic Energy Agency. It is scheduled to be presented at a study meeting of the Atomic Energy Society of Japan to be held in Kitakyushu beginning on Monday.


Tepco fucking fucked up, and we are all going to pay for it through increased tax to pay for the "reconstruction", ie, to bail out Tepco on the compensation.
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Postby IparryU » Tue Sep 20, 2011 9:17 am

Coligny wrote:I mean after they are approved by the japanese ministry of health...

And... to be honest... drugs approved in the USA are... maybe not as bad as the roundup fiasco... but I won't exactly trust them on th3 spot... (unless i'm a shareholder for the drug company, and not a patient)

i was under the impression that many drugs are approved in europe as well... if it gets approved there america can perscribe it and visa versa (i think)

but your call may be a bit more on spot than mine... with the dr wify and all...
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