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Man vs Machine

Postby Mulboyne » Sat Jan 14, 2012 9:01 pm

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Shogi software programs may be getting stronger. Shogi has a higher number of potential moves than chess, and the feature where pieces can be returned to the board adds another level of strategic complexity for a program to handle. To date, shogi masters have defeated their computer opponents but Kunio Yonenaga recently lost to a program called Bonkras. Yonenaga is not the leading player today, although he arguable once was. Nevertheless, he is the chairman of the Japan Shogi Association and holds the title of lifetime shogi master, so he is no slouch. Yonenaga played Bonkras, the current computer shogi champion, a few weeks ago in a preliminary match which was broadcast live on Nico Nico Douga. He tried a radical opening in the hope it would throw off the program but ended up losing. This match was a forerunner to an official man vs machine championship held earlier today. The result is now in and it seems Yonenaga lost again. He stuck to his radical opening which some observers thought was unwise. However, he seemed to be getting the better of the computer at around the 70 move mark but was eventually defeated in 113 moves. After the match, Yonenaga says he was pleased with his opening but thinks he played too safe mid-game and could not change course when required. The shogi master had played 150 games at home against the software in preparation so was offering no excuses for his loss.

Discussion on English shogi forum here.
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Postby cstaylor » Sat Jan 14, 2012 10:58 pm

Another pointless exercise in trip planning. Google's self-driving cars are far more interesting.
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Postby Coligny » Sat Jan 14, 2012 11:32 pm

cstaylor wrote:Another pointless exercise in trip planning. Google's self-driving cars are far more interesting.


I'm pretty sure that if the guy doing the programming were as knowledgeabul as the 'masters' these bull would be over and lost for mankind since quite some times... However 'huge' they are. The numbers of possible situations in a chess game are finite. Once they have all been evaluated it's a matter of database query...
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Postby cstaylor » Sat Jan 14, 2012 11:41 pm

Coligny wrote:The numbers of possible situations in a chess game are finite. Once they have all been evaluated it's a matter of database query...

Did you catch Watson on Jeopardy? Great programming for statistical matching, yet the questions had to be fed as text because computers still can't do audio processing correctly. :roll:

Mother Nature 1, Big Blue 0. :wink:
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Postby Coligny » Sun Jan 15, 2012 1:07 pm

Nope... board games/tv games irritatez me... I'd rather watch some german ScheiSSpr0n...
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Postby Russell » Sun Jan 15, 2012 2:17 pm

Coligny wrote:Nope... board games/tv games irritatez me... I'd rather watch some german ScheiSSpr0n...

Well, if you do not mind mating a King, Chess could be the perfect hobby for you...
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Postby 6810 » Sun Jan 15, 2012 7:18 pm

cstaylor wrote:Did you catch Watson on Jeopardy? Great programming for statistical matching, yet the questions had to be fed as text because computers still can't do audio processing correctly. :roll:

Mother Nature 1, Big Blue 0. :wink:


You need to read some Lanier. Attributing failure/success to machines is largely irrelevant since humans as part of nature are/were responsible for designing/building/programming the computer et.

Let's adjust the score:

Mother Nature 1, Big Blue 1.

Then if big blue wins...

Mother Nature 1, Big Blue 1.
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Postby cstaylor » Mon Jan 16, 2012 8:47 am

I see your point, and considering that Watson was developed as a tool for answering questions in specific fields (medicine and legal), the victory on Jeopardy! was a big win for Big Blue and the humans who built Watson.
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Postby sublight » Thu Jan 19, 2012 1:01 pm

Relevant comic:

http://xkcd.com/1002/

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"The top computer champion at Seven Minutes in Heaven is a Honda-built Realdoll, but to date it has been unable to outperform the human Seven Minutes in Heaven champion, Ken Jennings."
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