Earthquake!

[Samurai_Jerk]

And speaking of earth shakers, there was just a 5- in Fukushima at 8:45.

I purposely timed my post that way.

[matsuki]

Actual transcript from 8:43 PM:

Me: Omae Mona Jr., it is way past your bed time. Get to sleep, and this time no coming out of your room with bogus excuses about why you can't go to sleep.

Omae Mona Jr: well, what if there is an earthquake? Then is it OK?

Me: Yes, fine, whatever. If there is an earthquake, fire, or a burglar comes into our home, then you can get out of bed. Good night. I'm closing your door.

.. 90 seconds of silence..

"Daddeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!"

LOL! How long did it take to get him back in there an asleep?

[matsuki]

That was gentle...

[Greji]

That was gentle...

Nice one to be in the saddle with....

[Coligny]

Received the Yurukeru alert... quake expected in 70 seconds...

Fall back asleep before the time was over...

Didn't feel a thing... even in mah dreams...

[matsuki]

Received the Yurukeru alert... quake expected in 70 seconds...

Fall back asleep before the time was over...

Didn't feel a thing... even in mah dreams...

Dare I ask why you're sleeping in the middle of the day?

[Coligny]

Dare I ask why you're sleeping in the middle of the day?

Because I'm from the Chinese astrological sign of the cat... that mean we like to shit in boxes but also we are quite nocturnal... And I spend most of my night working on a 1:14 model truck... went to bed before the first ray of sunshine and therefore was pretty much shitfaced when the clock rung at 7... since usually the whole morning is used to try to recover from the night torpor starring at the wall trying to make sense of my nightmares I'm pretty much useless anyway...

I honestly hate having something to do during daytime, first the time seems to be much faster than for night activities, I know that I can never deploy a new server in a day, while overnight I feel much more confident (and the users usually love the lack of service disruption). And If I'm busy during the day , cutting myself from the oustside (aka: submarining) I always have the fear of going back into the real world, looking at german troops walking by my window... (or any equally unpleasant event)...

I might need a new shrink...

And before you ask... Yes... the neighbourgs are sometimes quite pissed of by my moonlights woodworking activities...

[GomiGirl]

SOP for engineers... brother is the same. Does his best work after 2am then sleeps til noon.

[gaijinpunch]

Because I'm from the Chinese astrological sign of the cat... that mean we like to shit in boxes

Cool! You're a pussy!

[canman]

Hammer, did you feel that last one, at 9:22! Level 4 in Hachinohe! What is going on this am!

[Yokohammer]

Hammer, did you feel that last one, at 9:22! Level 4 in Hachinohe! What is going on this am!

That was Hachinohe? It was so slow and gentle I was sure it was another one down south. My wife and I were at the vet (for one of our cats) at the time. Just got back. But yeah, we felt it.

[matsuki]

[Yokohammer]

[matsuki]

You must be talking about the earlier ones down Fuji way. An M5.5 centered under the Fuji lakes? That's kind of ominous.

Whoa, it's starting again....

[Russell]

[YT]5ls_xAW61x4&feature=player_embedded[/YT]

At least 1.3 million people in the Tokyo metropolitan area will likely have no place to take temporary refuge if the area is directly hit by a strong earthquake, according to projections by local governments concerned.

There will only be space to accommodate 270,000 people, or more than 10 percent of the Tokyo residents whose houses are expected to be damaged in a major quake that has its epicenter in central Tokyo, the projections show.

Combined with those who will be unable to return home due to the suspension of public transportation, local governments concerned will have to secure additional shelters for more than 1.3 million people.

As public facilities have no capacity to accommodate more evacuees, ward governments plan to call on businesses, commercial complexes and hotels to cooperate in accepting people in the event of a major disaster.

According to data compiled by a University of Tokyo research team, there is a 70 percent probability the Tokyo metropolitan area will be hit directly by a magnitude-7 level earthquake within four years.

The Tokyo metropolitan government projects that 2.39 million residents in Tokyo's 23 wards will be forced to take refuge in shelters as a result of losing their houses or for other reasons if a strong quake directly hits the Tokyo metropolitan area.

However, in 11 wards--including Adachi, Ota and Meguro--even if all public facilities, such as primary and middle schools, are used as temporary shelters, their capacity will fall short by about 276,000 people.

Also, about 4.48 million people are expected to be unable to return home because public transportation services will be suspended.

Before the Great East Japan Earthquake, the Tokyo metropolitan and ward governments had not anticipated that people who could not return home would take temporary refuge at their shelters in the event of a major disaster.

On March 11, however, people with no means of transportation flocked to temporary shelters designated by ward offices and other parties for local residents.

In an effort to avoid such a situation in the future, the Tokyo metropolitan government and ward governments have asked the private sector in the Tokyo area to have their employees stay at their companies for about three days if a major quake strikes.

In addition to those who work in Tokyo, however, many people visit the Tokyo area for sightseeing and shopping. This made local governments aware of the need to secure places where such visitors can take temporary refuge in a major disaster.

A central government survey showed that 32 percent of the people who were in the Tokyo metropolitan area on March 11 and could not return home were in the area for shopping and other personal reasons.

Source

[Coligny]

Before the Great East Japan Earthquake, the Tokyo metropolitan and ward governments had not anticipated that people who could not return home would take temporary refuge at their shelters in the event of a major disaster.http://www.yomiuri.co.jp/dy/national/T120203005688.htm

For FRACK SAKE... ANY MINOR EVENT, be it excessive snow falls, "surprise" strike in public transportation, minor powerline failure, even a semi crashing on a bridge at the wrong place lets hundreds of people stranded. Ask the airline passengers in england during last winter snomaggeddon (or Eddie Stobart drivers)... or Parisians every other weeks...

HOW COULD YOU NOT ACCOUNT FOR THE FACT THAT PEOPLE WHO CAN'T GO HOME WOULD GO TO SHELTERS ?

SERIOUSLY ? What are they doing ? trying to build up a resume to work for Fema ?

(waiting for some imbecile to say that in hindsight it's always easier to guess/see/for(back)see )

[omae mona]

Col, you knew about all the glaringly obvious causes of everything that has gone wrong in the world the last few years, way ahead of time. But how come you only post about your foresight after the problems are made public?

You'd do the world a great service if you used your skills to warn us, next time you know about things that are about to go wrong. Really, I mean it. What tragedies are inevitable this year that politicians, engineers, scientists, and others are ignoring?

[Coligny]

First year of highschool:

http://encyclopedia2.thefreedictionary.com/Pendulum+Migration

If the pendulum can't swing forth... call it a day...
If the pendulum can't swing back... you're in for a long night...

It's not aboot guessing things that are aboot to go wrong.
It's aboot once you decided for which scenario to prepare, doing it properly without ignoring aspects that you consider to bothersome or politically sensitive. There can always be minor oversights. But things like "WHAT TO DO WITH PEOPLE THAT CAN'T GET HOME" is clearly not one of them while also being perfectly fit for the "too bothersome" category and strong contender for the "so expensive that we'd rather bow and shoganai on it".

I don't know if you are joking (while hoping you do, BUT i re-read few of the early posts from the Tohoku nukular disaster thread... and... some are quite an embarrasment for mankind) but apologism to the point were some would justify not having a spare tire because nobody could have guessed before the fact that they might have a flat tire one day (and I'm a pompous asshole wanabee genious for suggesting that it might have been quite an easy scenario to forecast) has been so much on the rise since March that I don't know on which wing to fly...

BY THE WAY:
For preparadness in case of emergency or forecasted downtime, maintenance, disruption, repairs, upgrade.
There are things called, training, exercises and simulations...
It's not magic...
It's AWEFULLY BORING TO DO... but believe me people... it fucking works to see what might go wrong when you proceed with the real deal.

[omae mona]

Right. So what are the major steps in preparedness that leaders have glossed over because they are corrupt capitalist pigs? This year I am looking forward to hearing your observations before any disasters actually hit and the answers are obvious.

First year of highschool:

http://encyclopedia2.thefreedictiona...ulum+Migration

Warning! The following article is from The Great Soviet Encyclopedia (1979). It might be outdated or ideologically biased.

Your first year high school textbook?

[Coligny]

Sorry, my sarcasm detector was all-a-borked...

[matsuki]

The more I think about this shit, the more it worries me being in Tokyo...definitely need to prepare for the worst because we all know how useful/helpful the J-gov is when it comes to reacting once the disaster has hit.

[Sa_Race]

On the same subject I always laugh when I see the over expensive crappy emergency bags they sell here.

Pics of your bug-out-bags and food stashes ! Show us how real men do it. I promise I'll post mine, which conveniently is a Bundeswehr rucksack in flecktarn camo because I fly with Lufthansa and you know, I'm french.

[Coligny]

On the same subject I always laugh when I see the over expensive crappy emergency bags they sell here.

I saw some for pets, going aroung 2 or 3 man... totally ridiculous...

Pics of your bug-out-bags and food stashes ! Show us how real men do it. I promise I'll post mine, which conveniently is a Bundeswehr rucksack in flecktarn camo because I fly with Lufthansa and you know, I'm french.

Must include which scenario are to be considered.

Yokohammer
Tokyo Guys
Me

That's already 3 totally different situations.
and for me there are 4 sub-plans to consider, me Dj00ly hospital is nearly Mikawa Bay marina in the sticks... and they have 0 response plan in case of quake or tsunami alert. +Dad, +Mom, +Me and the cats...

[nikoneko]

On the same subject I always laugh when I see the over expensive crappy emergency bags they sell here.

Pics of your bug-out-bags and food stashes ! Show us how real men do it. I promise I'll post mine, which conveniently is a Bundeswehr rucksack in flecktarn camo because I fly with Lufthansa and you know, I'm french.

Agreed on the BOBs sold here they are absolutely useless too. We researched this and just ended up importing various items to put ours together for like $50 total. Either way I've been holding my tongue on this subject as I've learned and read just about everything possible about it over the last year and am still learning. Anyway, no pics unless someone goes first, but personally if I had to make a choice between the BOB and my hiking/camping pack I'd grab my pack every time and if I had time the wild edibles field guide. I carry in a very lightweight fashion, shelter, fishing, water purification, fire, FAK, on and on, and would just hit the hills rather than a shelter even with the family in tow. And as they always say the most important gear is in your head anyway.

[IparryU]

Agreed on the BOBs sold here they are absolutely useless too. We researched this and just ended up importing various items to put ours together for like $50 total. Either way I've been holding my tongue on this subject as I've learned and read just about everything possible about it over the last year and am still learning. Anyway, no pics unless someone goes first, but personally if I had to make a choice between the BOB and my hiking/camping pack I'd grab my pack every time and if I had time the wild edibles field guide. I carry in a very lightweight fashion, shelter, fishing, water purification, fire, FAK, on and on, and would just hit the hills rather than a shelter even with the family in tow. And as they always say the most important gear is in your head anyway.

was telling this to the family when we had a sit down to discuss evac protocal in case of another big quake.

they all were rambling about what bag to grab and where to go...

I told them to keep shoes next to their bags and got funny looks... next was a comment about if you wear shoes in the house you curse yourself with death... so i explained to them that walking barefoot in rubble, broken glass, and cold water would be worse than death. everyone went and got a pair of shoes and then was the next subject...

where to go if the building is fucked? the first thing they asked is if I can get everyone in the New Sanno... but knowing how they work, only passports get you in and being a spouse of a US passport is a big 50/50 depending on how many people are there. I told them to talk to the manager of the New Sanno (a frequent customer at their restaurant) to see if they are able to piggy back me and my sons' passports on entry... a very polite no (obviously)

So what to pack?
my one bag:
water
thermal undergarments (wify, me, 2 kids)
waterproof pants and jackets (wify, me, 2 kids)
lighters and lighter fluid
knives (not any that i would like to have... hard to buy out here)
tools
duct/electric tape
metal wire
first aid kit... (mines is only super glue, thread, needles, gauze, wrap, and H202/rubbing alcohol)
batteries (AA, AAA, C, D)

wife's 2 bags:
cloths and other shit that will be dead weight and used to make fire if the surrounding scraps are wet.

[Yokohammer]

So what to pack?
my one bag:
water
thermal undergarments (wify, me, 2 kids)
waterproof pants and jackets (wify, me, 2 kids)
lighters and lighter fluid
knives (not any that i would like to have... hard to buy out here)
tools
duct/electric tape
metal wire
first aid kit... (mines is only super glue, thread, needles, gauze, wrap, and H202/rubbing alcohol)
batteries (AA, AAA, C, D)

Interesting that you pack plenty of batteries in various sizes, but nothing to use 'em in. How's about a flashlight and radio?

Those LED lanterns that run for like 70 ~100 hours on one set of batteries are brilliant for emergencies (see the clever double entendre there?). We fortunately had one for 3.11 ... and I went out a bought a couple more afterwards. Being able to see where you're going and what you're doing (what you're eating, too) is really nice. And a radio. Gotta have a radio. One good thing to have is those crank-powered emergency light/radio things that will also charge your mobile phone.

Also a good idea: collapsible water containers. They take up very little space when empty and collapsed, but will hold a solid 10 liters or so when full. Remember that you'll need water for washing and flushing the toilet, and that can be "grey water" ... anything you can get (keep the bathtub full).

We even have sleeping bags and a tent in the car ... ya never know.

[Coligny]

And as usual, DealExtrem got a crapload of Led Flashlights sold for pennies...

A bit better than the usual extortion prices of the local shops...

[IparryU]

Interesting that you pack plenty of batteries in various sizes, but nothing to use 'em in. How's about a flashlight and radio?

Those LED lanterns that run for like 70 ~100 hours on one set of batteries are brilliant for emergencies (see the clever double entendre there?). We fortunately had one for 3.11 ... and I went out a bought a couple more afterwards. Being able to see where you're going and what you're doing (what you're eating, too) is really nice. And a radio. Gotta have a radio. One good thing to have is those crank-powered emergency light/radio things that will also charge your mobile phone.

Also a good idea: collapsible water containers. They take up very little space when empty and collapsed, but will hold a solid 10 liters or so when full. Remember that you'll need water for washing and flushing the toilet, and that can be "grey water" ... anything you can get (keep the bathtub full).

We even have sleeping bags and a tent in the car ... ya never know.

flashlight and radio dont go in the bag as you may need to grab them in the drak. good idea re the collapsible containers may need to pick a few of them up. we have an led lantern on every floor and old flashlights scattered about.

i wont worry about flushing the toilet as there are other means of disposing your waste in fucked situations rather than toiletry. but if we have enough luck to be able to reside in our place then we have lots of other liquids that we could use to flush rather than water. prioritize water over anything else.

the full bathtub sounds good, but if any cracks come up that may not be in our favor. but still a damn good idea.

i hate this paranoia state that Japan is in...

[nikoneko]

i hate this paranoia state that Japan is in...

As I mentioned I have learned much about this topic over the last year through a couple of strange coincidences. Long story short, it started with the quake and then I began getting outdoors for unrelated reasons and after getting lost enough times I began reading up with a passion. If nobody has any objections I'll start a thread on disaster preparedness in Japan tomorrow or the next day with some good links and such. One thing I've learned is starting to talk "survival" can go downhill real quick so that's why I am leery.. But it's a topic I've thought much about and unique info for us in English is hard to find. Would be super cool to here the other's FG input too.

[Russell]

As I mentioned I have learned much about this topic over the last year through a couple of strange coincidences. Long story short, it started with the quake and then I began getting outdoors for unrelated reasons and after getting lost enough times I began reading up with a passion. If nobody has any objections I'll start a thread on disaster preparedness in Japan tomorrow or the next day with some good links and such. One thing I've learned is starting to talk "survival" can go downhill real quick so that's why I am leery.. But it's a topic I've thought much about and unique info for us in English is hard to find. Would be super cool to here the other's FG input too.

I fear I am quite useless at surviving, so I cannot give much input, but I look forward to your survival thread.

And to the guys, let's keep it civilized...