JAL tailstrike video

[Tsuru]

I wonder if anyone has a working link to a video of a JAL 777 tailstrike at Haneda on the 31st of March. Every video on Youtube, NHK, TBS et al appears to have been removed (presumably due to legal threats), and some even went as far as removing whole news articles about the incident.

This is a still of the vid:



This is a JAL 777-200 in the middle of a go-around because of bad weather (unstable approach), and it already has the nose up in the air to climb away, but the thrust reversers are deployed. In my humble opinion, this is an extremely dangerous situation resulting from a serious breakdown in proper cockpit procedure, which could easily have ended up in a flaming wreck. The Japanese Ministry for Transportation even goes as far as to classifying this an accident, and has of course opened an investigation into the fact.

From where I'm sitting it seems JAL is attempting to sweep this under the rug, and it should be clear to anyone with half a brain who is even remotely interested in aviation safety that this material should remain in the public domain. Just to keep them honest.

[s4bzzz]

Do you have the actual vid? Reupload it for great justice!:ninja4:

[Coligny]

Do you have the actual vid? Reupload it for great justice!:ninja4:

I wonder if anyone has a working link to a video of a JAL 777 tailstrike at Haneda

Le facepalm...

[American Oyaji]

Reading comprehension....

[Tsuru]

Searched some more but didn't find.... but I found something else, also involving a JAL 777, at Osaka Itami this time:

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It's way too dark played normally, so I downloaded it and bumped up the brightness, and it has enough detail and contrast to make out the following:
Airplane lands normally, spoilers extend as the gear touches the ground, but retract again at the bottom of main gear strut compression (wtf?) This causes the plane to bounce into the air again, and the cycle repeats itself three times more until the pilot has had enough and pulls the nose up again for a go around, but scrapes the tailskid (puff of smoke) waiting for the engines to spool up from ground idle (no reversers this time). Airplane climbs away again to try again.

It could be that this was caused by a malfunction or the pilot being "out of phase" with the aircraft and moving the thrust out of idle in the flare just as he hit the bottom of the gear compression, shutting them again as the spoilers retracted and repeated this three times before a go around was initiated, but again: what in the everloving fuck?

[Coligny]

yes all the possible links (found 2) on youtube are censored on copyright ground, including one for Tokyo Broadcast Corporation. Nice to see that any clown can claim ownership for cctv footage...
Amd that it's not used at all for info suppression...

[Christoff]

I wonder if anyone has a working link to a video of a JAL 777 tailstrike at Haneda on the 31st of March. Every video on Youtube, NHK, TBS et al appears to have been removed (presumably due to legal threats), and some even went as far as removing whole news articles about the incident.

This is a still of the vid:



In my humble opinion, this is an extremely dangerous situation resulting from a serious breakdown in proper cockpit procedure, which could easily have ended up in a flaming wreck.

Who doesnt love flaming wrecks?

[Screwed-down Hairdo]

Who doesnt love flaming wrecks?

I'd have a lot more time for them if I wasn't one myself...

[Coligny]

Who doesnt love flaming wrecks?

Formula 1 fans... not everybody is into Nascar racing...

[FG Lurker]

yes all the possible links (found 2) on youtube are censored on copyright ground, including one for Tokyo Broadcast Corporation. Nice to see that any clown can claim ownership for cctv footage...
Amd that it's not used at all for info suppression...

I found something Coligny couldn't? That must be a first...
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=fd2_1333975793

There's also a news clip showing the damage but not the accident itself:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8RAUzJeWMV4

[Tsuru]

Many thanks! Downloaded, saved and backed up.

nananananana

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to FG Lurker again.

[Coligny]

I found something Coligny couldn't? That must be a first...
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=fd2_1333975793

I'm aging... my google fu is weakening...
(and btw, this video seems to have been posted around 1 hour ago, hope she's not taken down again....)

[FG Lurker]

I'm aging... my google fu is weakening...
(and btw, this video seems to have been posted around 1 hour ago, hope she's not taken down again....)

The timing of its appearance on a new liveleak channel and its appearance on FG are 100% coincidence, I assure you.

[Cyka UchuuJin]

[quote="FG Lurker"]The timing of its appearance on a new liveleak channel and its appearance on FG are 100% coincidence, I assure you. ]

and the avatars of the first and second comment posters on there are NOT belonging to iraira and greji!

[Coligny]

The timing of its appearance on a new liveleak channel and its appearance on FG are 100% coincidence, I assure you. ]



hummm.... I seee.... [insert picture of insightfull looking Homer Simpson here]

@Zipperneck1321

Only reason Japanese have a problem pronouncing the letters "L" & "R" is because they aren't used in their alphabet. Get a clue, disrespectful ass

Comments are not as bad as youtoob... but still leave littul to no hope for mankind as a species...

[Greji]

and the avatars of the first and second comment posters on there are NOT belonging to iraira and greji!

Yup, but I saw yours on the 3rd one!

[Cyka UchuuJin]

Yup, but I saw yours on the 3rd one!

my butt ain't THAT jiggly yet!

[sonofsam]

call sign ... "nananananana" ... no wonder it crashed.

[Coligny]

call sign ... "nananananana" ... no wonder it crashed.

Could be worse...

[American Oyaji]

I found something Coligny couldn't? That must be a first...
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=fd2_1333975793

There's also a news clip showing the damage but not the accident itself:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8RAUzJeWMV4

YouChube video is now private

[matsuki]

LOL, and the cover (fuck) ups keep on comin'

[Mock Cockpit]

IANAP but someone might be looking for a new job after watching that vid. Lucky those things are built like brick shithouses.

[Coligny]

IANAP but someone might be looking for a new job after watching that vid. Lucky those things are built like brick shithouses.

1- The guy will say he's sooo sorry, then give back at least 1 week of salary and it will be all good...

2- >>built like brick shithouses<< You'ze speaking of the runway I hope... Because them bird are bit softskinned...

[Mock Cockpit]

2- >>built like brick shithouses<< You'ze speaking of the runway I hope... Because them bird are bit softskinned...

I'm assuming Boeing will fix it properly so the tail doesn't fall off............

[Coligny]

I'm assuming Boeing will fix it properly so the tail doesn't fall off............

We'll know in few decades...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/China_Airlines_Flight_611

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japan_Airlines_Flight_123

[Tsuru]

They learned their lesson... these days they remove the tail and replace the entire bulkhead as a single piece instead of trying to patch it.

[Coligny]

They learned their lesson... these days they remove the tail and replace the entire bulkhead as a single piece instead of trying to patch it.

Dood... from those linkz... it's not the official repair method that was the problem...

It's not having followed the official repair method...

So yeah... maybe if they change the tail section... and put the new one properly... it's gonna be ok... But that's starting to make a lot of 'if' for a country that is challenging china for the worst craftsmanship possible...

But it's ok, them japanjins are polite and shit and they got 4 seasons everything will be fine... and if 'fine' get redefined as 'flaming ball of death' it's ok... their army will immediately rescue the survivors or at least wait until they are dead... because... they have bit strange standards for this too...

[matsuki]

They learned their lesson

words that can never be uttered with a straight face about the J-gov...

From Coligny's link:

[SIZE="4"]Delayed rescue operation
Japan Airlines 123
[/SIZE]
United States Air Force controllers at Yokota Air Base situated near the flight path of Flight 123 had been monitoring the distressed aircraft's calls for help. They maintained contact throughout the ordeal with Japanese flight control officials and made their landing strip available to the airplane. After losing track on radar, a U.S. Air Force C-130 from the 345 TAS was asked to search for the missing plane. The C-130 crew was the first to spot the crash site 20 minutes after impact, while it was still daylight. The crew radioed Yokota Air Base to alert them and directed a USAF Huey helicopter from Yokota to the crash site. Rescue teams were assembled in preparation to lower Marines down for rescues by helicopter tow line. [color="Red"]The offers by American forces of help to guide Japanese forces immediately to the crash site and of rescue assistance were rejected by Japanese officials. [/color]Instead, Japanese government representatives ordered the U.S. crew to keep away from the crash site and return to Yokota Air Base, stating the Japan Self-Defense Forces (JSDF) were going to handle the entire rescue alone.

Although a JSDF helicopter eventually spotted the wreck during the night, poor visibility and the difficult mountainous terrain prevented it from landing at the site. The pilot of the JSDF helicopter reported from the air that there were no signs of survivors. Based on this report, JSDF ground personnel did not set out to the site the night of the crash. Instead, they were dispatched to spend the night at a makeshift village erecting tents, constructing helicopter landing ramps and in other preparations, all some 63 kilometers from the wreck. [color="Red"]JSDF did not set out for the crash site until the following morning. Medical staff later found some passengers' bodies whose injuries indicated that they had survived the crash only to die from shock or exposure overnight in the mountains while awaiting rescue. One doctor said "If the discovery had come ten hours earlier, we could have found more survivors." [/color]

Yumi Ochiai, one of the four survivors out of 524 passengers and crew, recounted from her hospital bed that she recalled bright lights and the sound of helicopter rotors shortly after she awoke amid the wreckage, and while she could hear screaming and moaning from other survivors, these sounds gradually died away during the night.

[Tsuru]

Dood... from those linkz... it's not the official repair method that was the problem...

It's not having followed the official repair method...

Yes it was. Before, the proper procedure would be to cut away any damaged material and patch it, typically further obscuring any fatigue cracking that may exist in an area of the aircraft already not seen very often, as it is accessed only by mechanics to work on other stuff, such as the flight controls (as opposed to the aircraft skin, which is seen by everyone all the time by comparison)

There is a Chinese cargo 777 being repaired in Copenhagen at the moment which suffered a tailstrike in much the same fashion as the JAL 777 did, and they took the entire tail off to replace the whole rear pressure bulkhead as a single structure. I remember seeing some pictures posted, but I can't for the life of me remember where. But I'm sure your collective Google-fu will find them.

Boeing seems to be doing rather well with all of those expensive repairs that they need to do at the moment...

[Coligny]

Yes it was. Before, the proper procedure would be to cut away any damaged material and patch it,

Boeing recommendation for overlaps in the skin consolidation and rivetting were not followed leading to a failure after a number of pressurisation-depressurisation cycles matching the results from the stress analysis. Or even worse, the bad repair that was made evident by traces of nicotin leaks dating from the era were smoking was still allowed on board passagers planes. My bet for the 'cut and switch' trend is because of the composite parts whose reparability are not on par with how you can patch some aluminum scratches...