Tohoku Earthquake, Tsunami and Nuclear Disaster!!!

[rooboy]

I hope the people of San Francisco are gonna enjoy their new milk flavour - cesium. The Energy News website that a few people here have trashed is fucking right on the money about the radiation threats. Radiation has spread to the US and the US is far from Japan. What the fuck is it really doing to Japan - ya have to be realistic and know its fucking screwing things up more than a lot of you want to admit.

I like the bullshit fed to the masses about how watching tv,using a laptop and flying give you more radiation. Personally I aint got cesium, strontium or plutonium style radiation from doing those things.

I understand why those of you who live in the north, north east, Greater Tokyo area etc have to just get on w/living your lives and not panic but fuck, the risks are real and the disinformation is meant to stop mass hysteria, flight etc.

This is how humans operate - we can't take too much fucked reality. But don't shoot the messengers including doctors who tell it like it is on sites like Energy news etc.

[Catoneinutica]

I think it's zee opposite... put a hoodie on them plant... and bam... some redneck driving a Bronco will come to gun it down and everybody and their doggs will feel concerned/threatened/oppressed...

Since we couldn't be more off-topic here, if I didn't know Jake England (google him - he and another guy shot three blacks in Tulsa in apparently revenge for a black killing his father) is part Cherokee, I'd assume he was a haafu:

[Catoneinutica]

I think it's zee opposite... put a hoodie on them plant... and bam... some redneck driving a Bronco will come to gun it down and everybody and their doggs will feel concerned/threatened/oppressed...

Heh. In terms of black people killed, comparing an American redneck (see above!) to François Maurice Adrien Marie Mitterrand et cie., engineers of mid-90s Rwanda genocide, is like comparing, I dunno, that old fart in Suginami-ku who was cooking shit (his own) in his garden with, say, TEPCO.

[Coligny]

[quote="Catoneinutica"]Heh. In terms of black people killed, comparing an American redneck (see above!) to Fran&#231]

Dood... go back to your history books...

Mitterrand was civil servant under the governement of Vichy... That rwanda stuff was just a little retirement gift...

And at least no Rwandish darky trained by our guys rammed a jet into some of our landmarks...



(yet)

[American Oyaji]

Seriously:

http://www.cfnews13.com/content/news/cfnews13/news/article.html/content/news/articles/cfn/2012/4/8/trayvon_martin_un_in

The UN asking for investigation in the Trayvon Martin case...

Meanwhile, Fukushima... business as usual...

I have no problem with this. About damn time the UN looked at human rights issues in the US.

[Mike Oxlong]

CC available if need be...

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[Coligny]

I have no problem with this. About damn time the UN looked at human rights issues in the US.

I have no problem with the UN probing this...

I have issuez with the UN probing -JUST- this...

Because after katrina, Guantanamo and plenty others going after some random shooting...

That's cute...

[Coligny]

[quote="Catoneinutica"]Heh. In terms of black people killed, comparing an American redneck (see above!) to Fran&#231]
But on a side note...

Still have his picture on mah nightstand, under my bas-relief of Lenin...



(makes the mama horny...
ok... maybe not...)

[cstaylor]

I have no problem with this. About damn time the UN looked at human rights issues in the US.

I don't think that's going to happen.

[Coligny]

I don't think that's going to happen.

I'm so high fucked right now...

UN funding:
USA 22.000%
Japan 12.530%

[matsuki]

I think problem comes down to way in which senior Japanese bureaucrats view the notion of 'public service'. Accountably and openness have never part of their life. Recruited from elite universities they have ooze privilege, and can not conceive of a world in which decision making is not on a short leash.

THIS

I think that one of the few positive things that has come out of the disaster is that the public has become a great deal more sceptical of government pronoucements.

Indeed but the whole North Korean-esque military mentality of Japanese civilians keeps enough of them inline to prevent any real change

[Greji]

I have no problem with this. About damn time the UN looked at human rights issues in the US.

I do based on that case. It is an on going criminal investigation of a case where a minority male killed a minority male. It is either a justifiable shoot by the "Stand your Ground Law," or Zimmerman is guilty of manslaughter. It only became a race issue because of the efforts of NBC. Reverends Al and Jesse. I think it is obvious the keystone kops of podunk Florida bungled the handling of the case, but that could be a moot point should it be shown that Zimmermann acted in accordance with "Stand Your Ground," or if Zimmerman is convicted by a court. Either way it is a poor case and it is often held that "Bad cases make for Bad Case Law." So unless the UN has ajudged that the Latinos have declared war on Black Americans, this case would not appear to offer a lot of merit to a case on "Human Rights Issues" in the US.

I can't help but believe this was a knee jerk reaction to the initial coverage that indicated racial profiling from what seemed at the time to be a red necked White cracker openly gunning down a young black teenager all of which is now in question. This needs to decided by investigation and/or litigation, not by the media or other persons with an agenda trying to ride the fever that attends such escalations.

[canman]

This might seem like a very simple question, but while watching the news tonight regarding the restarting of the nuclear reactors in Fukui, and the idea of safety, is there any big difference between a nuclear reactor shut down and one operating if a large earthquake or tsunami hits?
I have a feeling that a lot of people think that if the reactors are off line, then everything is ok, there is nothing to worry about. But the way I see it, whether they are operating or not, if a large enough earthquake or tsunami hits, they will probably be just as screwed as Fukushima.
Or am I totally off base in this line of thinking?

[Russell]

This might seem like a very simple question, but while watching the news tonight regarding the restarting of the nuclear reactors in Fukui, and the idea of safety, is there any big difference between a nuclear reactor shut down and one operating if a large earthquake or tsunami hits?
I have a feeling that a lot of people think that if the reactors are off line, then everything is ok, there is nothing to worry about. But the way I see it, whether they are operating or not, if a large enough earthquake or tsunami hits, they will probably be just as screwed as Fukushima.
Or am I totally off base in this line of thinking?

I have been thinking along similar lines.

As far as I understand, the reactor may be a bit safer if it is shut off, but we should be aware that there is still a lot of nuclear material in and around the reactor. Especially what is in the storage pool above the reactor is of the order of tons, and it needs to keep immersed in water to keep cool. This is a very unsafe storage place in case of natural disasters.

[Coligny]

Labelling fraud and no punition... YEAH JAPAN !!!

http://ex-skf.blogspot.jp/2012/04/radioactive-japan-meat-dealer-in-kansai.html

A'm gonna buy few Hyundai and sell them with a Lexus sticker... wonder if the governement will be as comprehensive...

[Coligny]

I have been thinking along similar lines.

You'll have to dive deeper but globally:

When running, a powerplant have bits of bad stuff close together blasting yo-mama jokes at each other getting all hot and bitchslappy (sustained nucular chain reaction) only coolant circulation preventing them to go postal and melt.

When shutdown, you put stuff, like grand'ma going in the lawn to break a fight, that interfere with the chain reaction. Therefore, less heat, less need for coolant... Less shit ready to blow on your face at a split second...(see a SCRAM for vague ideas). On design like Daiichi the control rods have to be pushed from the bottom. Which is enormemously stupid (hindsight or not) since 1 you have to rely on some system still working to push up the controls, and 2 if the stuff inside melt, no matter how thick the containment is, the holes for the control rods makes for an easy exit path. Other design have the control rods hanging over, maintained by electro magnets that have to fight springs and gravity... If there is a power loss, the rods fell by themselves... which is as idiot proof as they come...


Problem is the same with the spend fuel pool... while not as bad as a running reactor... that stuff still need babysitting. (them chinese pushing their chances to use heat from spend fuel to produce electricity for secondary systems)


One of the thing that I still don't understand quite right and often mentionned in the book "We almost lost detroit" is how incredibly fast (split second fast) things can go from bad to "everyone around is dead" in the process of controlling nuclear reaction... A bit like if a car engine was ok until the red line and some more then reach 0.1 rpm too much the car explode and take the whole neighbourghood with him...

[Yokohammer]

In reference to a short detour discussion earlier in the thread, about toxic materials and waste at US bases in Japan:

U.S. vet pries lid off Agent Orange denials

Looks like lies and denial are not limited to the j-government.

[Big Booger]

Will radiation exposure prematurely age people??? I mean, I have noticed people in this area are uglier than in other parts of Japan. I wonder if it is attributed to cesium exposure?

[Yokohammer]

Will radiation exposure prematurely age people??? I mean, I have noticed people in this area are uglier than in other parts of Japan. I wonder if it is attributed to cesium exposure?

What you are probably seeing is the result of an aging population, plus the fact that young people tended to head for the big cities before 3.11 anyway, and compounded by the fact that many young families (especially those with small children) left the area after 3.11.

Thinking about it, I assume you actually meant to say "where the heck are all the cute young girls?"
Have you been up to Sendai? You'll find quite a few up there.

[Mike Oxlong]

In reference to a short detour discussion earlier in the thread, about toxic materials and waste at US bases in Japan:

U.S. vet pries lid off Agent Orange denials

Looks like lies and denial are not limited to the j-government.

I kinda get the feeling that had the general public known back then, they might have said something...

[Russell]

I kinda get the feeling that had the general public known back then, they might have said something...

And that is exactly the reason why every government tries to keep a lid on their shit.

[Big Booger]

What you are probably seeing is the result of an aging population, plus the fact that young people tended to head for the big cities before 3.11 anyway, and compounded by the fact that many young families (especially those with small children) left the area after 3.11.

Thinking about it, I assume you actually meant to say "where the heck are all the cute young girls?"
Have you been up to Sendai? You'll find quite a few up there.

Yeah that's what I meant! I have to go to Sendai next weekend, I am having a Starbucks craving. But I also mean that the people that are here have strangely shaped heads, faces, etc.. the distance between their eyes are off, big jaws, oblong noses and so on. I was just wondering if this was because of Tohoku or because of the radiation.

That and people here are like in a PTSD trance or something..

[Coligny]

Yeah that's what I meant! I have to go to Sendai next weekend, I am having a Starbucks craving. But I also mean that the people that are here have strangely shaped heads, faces, etc.. the distance between their eyes are off, big jaws, oblong noses and so on. I was just wondering if this was because of Tohoku or because of the radiation.

That and people here are like in a PTSD trance or something..

You might enjoy these readingz:
The problem with homogenous populationz

[Russell]

Yeah that's what I meant! I have to go to Sendai next weekend, I am having a Starbucks craving. But I also mean that the people that are here have strangely shaped heads, faces, etc.. the distance between their eyes are off, big jaws, oblong noses and so on. I was just wondering if this was because of Tohoku or because of the radiation.

That and people here are like in a PTSD trance or something..

Coligny is probably right: it has nothing to do with radiation, but everything with inbreeding. Your oversexed GF from Fukushima is also like that?

[Mike Oxlong]

Try coming down the the islands sometime...

Our so-called "elite" look like this, and it only goes sideways from there!



Inbreeding. The horror...The horror.

[matsuki]

Coligny is probably right: it has nothing to do with radiation, but everything with inbreeding. Your oversexed GF from Fukushima is also like that?

Reduced fertility both in litter size and sperm viability check!
Increased genetic disorders check!
Fluctuating facial asymmetry check!
Lower birth rate check!
Higher infant mortality check!
Slower growth rate check!
Smaller adult size check!
Loss of immune system function check!

Island species are often very inbred, as their isolation from the larger group on a mainland allows for natural selection to work upon their population. This type of isolation may result in the formation of race or even speciation, as the inbreeding first removes many deleterious genes, and allows expression of genes that allow a population to adapt to an ecosystem. As the adaptation becomes more pronounced the new species or race radiates from its entrance into the new space, or dies out if it cannot adapt and, most importantly, reproduce.

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[Ganma]

[Big Booger]

[cstaylor]

[Coligny]

More vomit inducing news from the braindead of Tokyo:
http://ex-skf.blogspot.jp/2012/04/japans-pm-noda-in-march-2011-as-finance.html Japan's PM Noda in March 2011 as Finance Minister: "Don't Say Anything That Weakens TEPCO"

TEPCO's share price, to be more specific.

Sure these guys put public safety first...