The Myth of Japan's Failure

[matsuki]

Ehhh, "this is a pen" does not qualify as speaking Japanese.


Are you serious? There are loads of young Japanese who have lived abroad, studied abroad, went to international school, who speak perfect English. I know many myself (as I am one of them).

Your comment is way off the mark, although I accept the other comments that you make.

I don't disagree with that, what I'm saying (just based on personal experience) is that most that can speak at that level don't end up remaining in Japan. For example, half of my J-buddies from my university got jobs in the US after graduation. Of the other half that came back to Japan, after a few years working in Tokyo, most have gone back to the US for work or have gone preggers and stopped working all together.

[Coligny]

Ehhh, "this is a pen" does not qualify as speaking Japanese.


Are you serious? There are loads of young Japanese who have lived abroad, studied abroad, went to international school, who speak perfect English. I know many myself (as I am one of them).

Your comment is way off the mark, although I accept the other comments that you make.

Daguerreotype or...

[Greji]

For example, half of my J-buddies from my university got jobs in the US after graduation. Of the other half that came back to Japan, after a few years working in Tokyo, most have gone back to the US for work or have gone preggers and stopped working all together.

I don't know. I run into a ton of them in the PR industry and the Financial sector has tons of them...Almost all kikokushijo

[matsuki]

I don't know. I run into a ton of them in the PR industry and the Financial sector has tons of them...Almost all kikokushijo

Oh I know a few myself...but not many of them plan to live here long term. Most tend to ask me while I'm still here

[Greji]

[quote="chokonen888"]Oh I know a few myself...but not many of them plan to live here long term. Most tend to ask me while I'm still here ]

Haven't heard a lot of that. I have met Lemurs that had a hard time adjusting when they got back to Ni mighty Pon. Some swore they would leave as soon as they got so dust saved up, but must of them didn't. The hardcore just became Gals, or got knocked up and the others went to work and used their foreign learning.

[Samurai_Jerk]

There are loads of young Japanese who have lived abroad, studied abroad, went to international school, who speak perfect English. I know many myself (as I am one of them).

There aren't load. They are a lot in certain industries like investment banking (mostly working in gaishikei but overall there aren't a lot of people who can speak English to a high level in the Japanese labor market. If there were, companies wouldn't have so much trouble hiring qualified people with the requisite English ability.

[matsuki]

Haven't heard a lot of that. I have met Lemurs that had a hard time adjusting when they got back to Ni mighty Pon. Some swore they would leave as soon as they got so dust saved up, but must of them didn't. The hardcore just became Gals, or got knocked up and the others went to work and used their foreign learning.

You need to start sending em my way Greji. I can do all 3 for them

[gaijinpunch]

I don't disagree with that, what I'm saying (just based on personal experience) is that most that can speak at that level don't end up remaining in Japan. .

I'd say it's about even the number that stay abroad and those that come back and either work for a western company or start their own.

[matsuki]

I'd say it's about even the number that stay abroad and those that come back and either work for a western company or start their own.

Ok, so even if it is 50%, considering the initial amount is pretty low and how many of them are female. (and end up as gals or knocked up as Greji described) Of the ones left, quite a few (though not enough haha) end up at hotels and other such service jobs that cater to FG and other jobs that allow them to use the language but doesn't really contribute to Japan's international competitiveness.

[Coligny]

Ok, so even if it is 50%, considering the initial amount is pretty low and how many of them are female. (and end up as gals or knocked up by Greji [s]described[/s]) Of the ones left, quite a few (though not enough haha) end up at hotels and other such service jobs that cater to FG and other jobs that allow them to use the language but doesn't really contribute to Japan's international competitiveness.

Fixed a bit for better understamading

[Greji]

Fixed a bit for better understamading

My lawyer will be contacting you shortly.....

[Coligny]

My lawyer will be contacting you shortly.....

What, she's horny again ? cool... sloppy seconds FTW...

[matsuki]

Take video and call it "Greji's court."

[Coligny]

Yeah... brilliant... Porno remake of Matlock... at least we are sure to make a hit in retirement homes...

[matsuki]

Yeah... brilliant... Porno remake of Matlock... at least we are sure to make a hit in retirement homes...

I want to be the the bailiff.....and be required to make the jury "cum to order."

[IparryU]

I want to be the the bailiff.....and be required to make the jury "cum to order."

Well... all spots taken... I'll just bang the stenographer chick

[Dreamy_Peach]

Here is an interview with Mr Eammon Fingleton on the wonders of the Japanese economy, the misrepresentation of Japanese GDP statistics (have there ever been any serious, peer reviewed studies of Japanese deviations from this practice?), and the numerous "anecdotal references" that exist on the overall condition of the Japanese economy, which is doing very well.

I listen to Peter Day's podcasts quite a lot. He often gets sidetracked and has a tendency to push his own opinions a lot, to the detriment to the 'expert' he's talking to. Nonetheless, this early section with Fingleton seems to run contrary to everything you read on Japan by serious and not so serious people. In his Wikipedia entry he is described as someone who challenges the economic orthodoxy - he is out there on that.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/podcasts/series/worldbiz

Surprisingly too, he actually lives in Japan.

[Russell]

Here is an interview with Mr Eammon Fingleton on the wonders of the Japanese economy, the misrepresentation of Japanese GDP statistics (have there ever been any serious, peer reviewed studies of Japanese deviations from this practice?), and the numerous "anecdotal references" that exist on the overall condition of the Japanese economy, which is doing very well.

I listen to Peter Day's podcasts quite a lot. He often gets sidetracked and has a tendency to push his own opinions a lot, to the detriment to the 'expert' he's talking to. Nonetheless, this early section with Fingleton seems to run contrary to everything you read on Japan by serious and not so serious people. In his Wikipedia entry he is described as someone who challenges the economic orthodoxy - he is out there on that.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/podcasts/series/worldbiz

Surprisingly too, he actually lives in Japan.

Both people interviewed (the optimist and the pessimist) appear to live in their own dream world.

Their is one point made by the optimist (Fingleton), I must admit, that gives cause to thinking: even with its big debt, the Japanese government always seems to be able to help out other countries in debt via the IMF. How much of the J-debt has actually a counterbalance of outstanding loans?

[Screwed-down Hairdo]

(have there ever been any serious, peer reviewed studies of Japanese deviations from this practice?)

Are you serious? How can a gaijin give a peer review of Japanese practices if they're not Japanese?

[Dreamy_Peach]

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Are you serious? How can a gaijin give a peer review of Japanese practices if they're not Japanese?

Are you referring to the well established Japanese practice of not citing or using foreign derived analysis on Japan - where only Japanese sources are used?

Gdp stats are not my area, but in my own there are clear guidelines and manuals regarding the collection of statistics, methods, appropriate scope, timescale etc.There are some grey areas, but the type of thing Fingleton talks of sounds exaggerated.

[Screwed-down Hairdo]

Are you referring to the well established Japanese practice of not citing or using foreign derived analysis on Japan - where only Japanese sources are used?

Actually, I was. But, even more so, I was being ironic in the sense that the Japanese regard the idea of a foreign peer as being preposterous.

[matsuki]

[IparryU]

Actually, I was. But, even more so, I was being ironic in the sense that the Japanese regard the idea of a foreign peer as being preposterous.

Olympus for example... Woodford was a peer that outed them... dont want any more of that now do we?

But if they are helping out... a FG puppet (muppet) goes quite far in their squinty eyes.

[Catoneinutica]

Both people interviewed (the optimist and the pessimist) appear to live in their own dream world.

Their is one point made by the optimist (Fingleton), I must admit, that gives cause to thinking: even with its big debt, the Japanese government always seems to be able to help out other countries in debt via the IMF. How much of the J-debt has actually a counterbalance of outstanding loans?

A good deal of it, I'd reckon! Nothing personal, but your writing evokes Engrish: the signifiers are there, but the meaning, the denotata, resides in some distant planetary system.

[Russell]

[Catoneinutica]

[Russell]

[quote="Catoneinutica"]No, I wasn't suggesting you're Japanese]
Yes, exactly. After all, paying back debts becomes easier when you have the prospect of collecting money on the debts others have to you. BTW, I recon that the IMF pays higher interest to Japan than the J-Government pays to its debtors. That means that Japan as a country is engaging in some kind of carry trade...

[Russell]

[gaijinpunch]

The scariest part of the situation for me is the number of jobs in the financial sector that are simply not here. If that is your field and you're out of work, seems any job interview you go to will ask if you can relocate to HK or Singapore. There's also a decent chance any job you have will ask you the same. That's always a great sign.

[Screwed-down Hairdo]

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This story should come with the disclaimer that it was written by the same bloke who wrote this for, and the linked article is for a magazine whose Tokyo correspondent was this bloke....