N.Korea warns of war with JPN

[Taro Toporific]

DPRK warns of war with Japan
eastday.com / The Associated Press
The Democratic People's Republic of Korea yesterday accused Japan of supporting the United States' bid to stifle it, and said that war would be "unavoidable" unless Tokyo drops its "hostile" attitude.
"If the present tense situation is allowed to go on, a war between the DPRK and Japan will be unavoidable," the party newspaper Rodong Sinmun said.

[Caustic Saint]

Also reported in your #1 source for NK news, the Korean Central News Agency.

....The peace policy of the DPRK is invariable and the stand of the DPRK to settle the long-standing pending issues between the DPRK and Japan and improve the bilateral relations remains unchanged.
Ensuring security and creating a peaceful atmosphere is the job to be done by Japan itself....

[Crispy]

North Korea says a lot of things.

[Taro Toporific]

Also reported in your #1 source for NK news, the Korean Central News Agency.

Buy your NK postcards!
http://www.kcna.co.jp/postcard/postcard.htm

Go go the sickos of Japan page...
http://www.elufa.net/

[devicenull]

south korea needs a new glass parking lot conveniently located directly to the north

[cstaylor]

North Korea says a lot of things.

It would be nice if they spruced it up with some humor once in a while.

[Taro Toporific]

south korea needs a new glass parking lot conveniently located directly to the north

Maybe they're trying to do the opposite on everyone else....

N. Korea biggest ballistic missile seller in Mideast
WASHINGTON Sept. 26 Kyodo - The United States believes North Korea has been the biggest supplier of ballistic missiles to Middle Eastern countries, according to a congressional report and a Pentagon source.

[Taro Toporific]

south korea needs a new glass parking lot conveniently located directly to the north

[Kanchou]

Damn that Il.

If Japan gets bombed before I get a chance to go, I'm gonna be super-pissed.

And if it happens while I'm there... It's open-season in communist dictators. Somebody hand me an M16! "Emergency re-pat'ing" ain't gonna help me much if Narita is a smoking whole in the ground...

[Greener]

North Korea needs to be stopped at almost any cost. Their leader is a sick psychopath who may very well be worse then Hitler or Hussein.

[Crispy]

He might be sicker or more deranged than those people, but I firmly believe he is not as intelligent and not as capable a leader, or else he would have turned NK into a modern economic force by now, instead of it being 99% peasants.

[Caustic Saint]

North Korea needs to be stopped at almost any cost. Their leader is a sick psychopath who may very well be worse then Hitler or Hussein.

Wait, I thought the Chinese were the modern-day Nazis (by your reckoning)? Now Kim is too?!?

Perhaps you should find a new basis for comparison. A=Nazi, B=Nazi, etc.... is hardly a compelling argument.

Most people agree that Kim is a bad guy, but using the same (tired) comparison over and over again diminishes your point.

[Greener]

North Korea and China in my eyes are the modern day axis nations. Both want to anihalate poor, defenceless nations and bully the rest of the world in the process. They are truely evil.

[Caustic Saint]

Exactly which "poor, defenseless nations" does North Korea want to annihilate? Does it have anybody within striking distance poorer than itself? Or any nation that would be considered "defenseless?"

I'm not saying Kim's not up to to no good, or shouldn't be dealt with, but you're really stretching here.

[Greener]

China wants to take out Taiwan and North Korea wants to anihalate the South. Those countries aren't exactly military powers by anyone's standards.

[NeoNecroNomiCron]

North Korea needs to be stopped at almost any cost. Their leader is a sick psychopath who may very well be worse then Hitler or Hussein.

Wait, I thought the Chinese were the modern-day Nazis (by your reckoning)? Now Kim is too?!?

Perhaps you should find a new basis for comparison. A=Nazi, B=Nazi, etc.... is hardly a compelling argument.

Most people agree that Kim is a bad guy, but using the same (tired) comparison over and over again diminishes your point.

Well spotted :P Greener is really green around the ears!

[Caustic Saint]

China wants to take out Taiwan and North Korea wants to anihalate the South. Those countries aren't exactly military powers by anyone's standards.

I can't comment too much on the China/Taiwan situation as I'm not too familiar with it. I can address your opinions (and that's all they are) on North and South Korea.

You don't have any clue as to what you're talking about.

The North can't (and wouldn't) annihilate the South. If war ever were to re-occur on the peninsula, one of the North's goals would be to capture as many of the South's resources a possible - food production, industry, modern ports, power plants, etc. All things they're lacking. They can't afford to destroy them.

As for South Korea not being a military power - duh. Why do you think the US maintains a military presence here? Even the combined US and ROK forces aren't enough to hold back the North Korean army forever. They're meant to be a delaying force, able to stall the North's advance long enough for the rapid-deployment forces to arrive from the US (and elsewhere). The needed delay time? 72 hours.

[AssKissinger]

The following is from Forbes' website

North Korea
$1 billion

North Korea's "Dear Leader" reportedly buys Mercedes Benz cars by the dozen and is said to be one of the world's biggest importers of Hennessy's cognac. His 60th birthday, in April, is a national holiday, as is that of his father Kim Il-Sung who died in 1994. The 60th birthday is a benchmark event in the zodiac cycle, and festivities for the dictator will last from April to June.

the North's goals would be to capture as many of the South's resources a possible - food production, industry, modern ports, power plants, etc. All things they're lacking. They can't afford to destroy them.

Because North Korea is a totalitarian dictatorship and Kim has proven that he doesn't care at all if his people starve (in fact, he intentionally denies food to certain areas), and Kim is himself, according to Forbes, a billionaire, I don't think your logic holds-up this time, Caustic. The reason being that North Korea doesn't act in anyway in the interests of it's populace.

[Caustic Saint]

Who said he wants any of that stuff for his people? He can put it all to military use, and further his career as an arms dealer.

[Alcazar]

What Greener is getting at is true though. Both North Korea and China are openly aggressive states who wish to take over other nations for the purpose of incorporating those invaded nations into their own-specifically Taiwan for China, and South Korea for North Korea.

Ok, so Greener is not perfect in his facts, but he knows the important basic concepts, which is way more than many people in our countries who know nothing about the outside world.

Yes, China and North Korea are threatening nations. Yes, Kim of North Korea is an evil person who acts with depravity on the same level of a Hussein or Hitler-I am not comparing numbers here, but cruelty. So stop trying to make fun of Greener

[cstaylor]

Maybe Caustic Saint can help me out on this one, but from watching videos of Kim, I get the feeling that he's bored all the time. Is this a Korean thing? If you look bored with the zillion man parade of military hardware, you must be a god?

[Caustic Saint]

Maybe Caustic Saint can help me out on this one, but from watching videos of Kim, I get the feeling that he's bored all the time. Is this a Korean thing? If you look bored with the zillion man parade of military hardware, you must be a god?

He probably is bored. It's like the old line goes, "what do you get for the man who's got everything?" Kim has everything he could ever want. For his entire life nothing has been denied to him and the people of his country have been brainwashed to revere him as a god. I don't think the head of any nation - ever - has had as much control over his people as Kim has over his.

But I don't think it's a Korean thing. I think it's a "spoiled from birth batshit crazy" thing. That's not to say he's literally insane, but he's not stable. How could he be - how could anyone be - after being raised like he was?

[Greener]

This man sounds like the modern day Caligula. Even more reason for the UN and US to find a way to remove this guy from power and set the people free.

[Caustic Saint]

This man sounds like the modern day Caligula. Even more reason for the UN and US to find a way to remove this guy from power and set the people free.

If only life were that simple. Remember what it was like when Germany reunited? Things weren't all that smooth. The prosperous West and repressed East didn't exactly mesh all that well. It's going to be about 100 times worse if the Koreas reunify without some serious time and planning.

You think the people in the South will welcome their "Northern brothers and sisters" with open arms? Guess again. They're not going to want to compromoise their standard of living for anything. The talk amongst people in the South about reunification is just that - talk.

And "set the people free?" Yes, they need some freedom. But what happens to the members of a cult when they're deprived of the leader they've essentially worshipped for years? (Decades if you count his father in the equation.) Think they'll adjust all that well to the removal of Dear Leader? As much as they may hate their life, they don't all hate him. That's what people fail to realize when talking about North Korea.

[Greener]

Some freedom? These people are oppressed to a level we western folks couldn't imagine. These people need the kinds of freedoms we in the west enjoy. It is their right as human beings to be allowed this. I know you support the chinese and north korean governments but to say they shouldn't be freed is sick.

[Caustic Saint]

Some freedom? These people are oppressed to a level we western folks couldn't imagine. These people need the kinds of freedoms we in the west enjoy. It is their right as human beings to be allowed this. I know you support the chinese and north korean governments but to say they shouldn't be freed is sick.

Clearly, reading isn't your strong suit. I've never said I support the Chinese and North Korean governments, nor have I said the people of North Korea should be freed.

What I said was, you can't simply get rid of Kim Jong Il and say, "okay everybody, you're free now!" They wouldn't know how to react. They've been conditioned to live the life they're trapped in through 55 years of oppressive government and conditioning. You can't wipe that away with some magic wand. Bringing freedom to North Korea is going to be a long, slow process. To believe otherwise is foolish.

As an aside, how much time have you spent in Asia? Specifically, China, Korea or Japan? You keep presenting your opinions as absolutes (a flawed form of debate) so I wonder how much of what you believe is based on direct exposure and how much is through media and news from afar.

[AssKissinger]

World - AP Asia

N. Korea Says It Is Making Nuclear Bombs



SEOUL, South Korea - North Korea said Thursday it has completed reprocessing its 8,000 spent nuclear fuel rods and is using plutonium extracted from them to make atomic bombs.

"The (North) successfully finished the reprocessing of some 8,000 spent fuel rods," a spokesman for North Korea's Foreign Ministry said in a statement carried by the North's official news agency, KCNA.


Accusing the United States of taking a "hostile policy" toward the North, the statement said that North Korea "made a switchover in the use of plutonium churned out by reprocessing spent fuel rods in the direction increasing its nuclear deterrent force."


North Korea also said it will reprocess more spent fuel rods to be produced from the small reactor in its main nuclear complex in Yongbyon, north of Pyongyang.

[yellowlightman]

What I said was, you can't simply get rid of Kim Jong Il and say, "okay everybody, you're free now!" They wouldn't know how to react. They've been conditioned to live the life they're trapped in through 55 years of oppressive government and conditioning. You can't wipe that away with some magic wand. Bringing freedom to North Korea is going to be a long, slow process. To believe otherwise is foolish.

I totally agree. During a discussion in one of my college classes, people couldn't understand why countries like Iraq "refuse" freedom and attack our soldiers. But to places like North Korea, Iraq -hell, anywhere- seeing tanks roll down your streets isn't freedom, it's invasion. Even if you're starving and poor, they're going to see that as their home being invaded and aren't going to welcome that.

It's not quite as easy as liberating western Europe from Nazi Germany, long-term regimes like this make for a much more complicated situation.

[cstaylor]

World - AP Asia

N. Korea Says It Is Making Nuclear Bombs

I'll believe it when I see the mushroom cloud from the test detonation.