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What's up with the value of the YEN?

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Re: What's up with the value of the YEN?

Postby IparryU » Wed Mar 13, 2013 2:44 pm

This is a must watch:
http://media.chicagobooth.edu/mediasite/Viewer/?peid=f15d95d054e8442ab0cc1c60321383101d

But this is some of the key stuffs at the Q&A session:
The AIG of the world is back - I have 27 year old kids selling me one-year jump risk on Japan for less than 1bp - $5bn at a time... and it is happening in size." As he explains, the regulatory capital hit for the bank is zero (hence as great a return on capital as one can imagine) and "if the bell tolls at the end of the year, the 27-year-old kid gets a bonus... and if he blows the bank to smithereens, ugh, he got a paycheck all year." Critically, the bank that he bought the 'cheap options' from recently called to ask if he would close the position - "that happened to me before," he warns, "in 2007 right before mortgages cracked." His single best investment idea for the next ten years is, "Sell JPY, Buy Gold, and go to sleep," as he warns of the current situation in markets, "we are right back there! The brevity of financial memory is about two years.


Kyle Bass: Fallacies Such As MMT Are "Leading The Sheep To Slaughter" And "We Believe War Is Inevitable"
Submitted by Tyler Durden on 11/17/2012 14:58 -0400
Below are some of the key highlights from Kyle Bass' latest, and as usual, must read letter:

On central banks and the final round of global monetary debasement:

Central bankers are feverishly attempting to create their own new world: a utopia in which debts are never restructured, and there are no consequences for fiscal profligacy, i.e. no atonement for prior sins. They have created Potemkin villages on a Jurassic scale. The sum total of the volatility they are attempting to suppress will be less than the eventual volatility encountered when their schemes stop working. Most refer to comments like this as heresy against the orthodoxy of economic thought. We have a hard time understanding how the current situation ends any way other than a massive loss of wealth and purchasing power through default, inflation or both.

In the Keynesian bible (The General Theory of Employment, Interest and Money), there is a very interesting tidbit of Keynes’ conscience in the last chapter titled “Concluding Notes” from page 376:

[I]t would mean the euthanasia of the rentier, and, consequently, the euthanasia of the cumulative oppressive power of the capitalist to exploit the scarcity value of capital. Interest today rewards no genuine sacrifice, any more than does the rent of land. The owner of capital can obtain interest because capital is scarce, just as the owner of land can obtain rent because land is scarce. But whilst there may be intrinsic reasons for the scarcity of land, there are no intrinsic reasons for the scarcity of capital.

. . .
Thus we might aim in practice (there being nothing in this which is unattainable) at an increase in capital until it ceases to be scarce, so that the functionless investor will no longer receive a bonus[.] (emphasis added)
This is nothing more than a chilling prescription for the destruction of wealth through the dilution of capital by monetary authorities.

Central banks have become the great enablers of fiscal profligacy. They have removed the proverbial policemen from the bond market highway. If central banks purchase the entirety of incremental bond issuance used to finance fiscal deficits, the checks and balances of “normal” market interest rates are obscured or even eliminated altogether. This market phenomenon does nothing to encourage the body politic to take their foot off the spending accelerator. It is both our primary fear and unfortunately our prediction that this quixotic path of spending and printing will continue ad?infinitum until real cost?push inflation manifests itself. We won’t get into the MV=PQ argument here as the reality of the situation is the fact that the V is the “solve?for” variable, which is at best a concurrent or lagging indicator. Given the enormity of the existing government debt stock, it will not be possible to control the very inflation that the market is currently hoping for. As each 100 basis points in cost of capital costs the US federal government over $150 billion, the US simply cannot afford for another Paul Volcker to raise rates and contain inflation once it begins.
Hayek was, of course, right:

The current modus operandi by central banks and sovereign governments threatens to take us down Friedrich von Hayek's “Road to Serfdom”. Published in 1944, its message, that all forms of socialism and economic planning lead inescapably to tyranny, might prove to have been prescient. In the 1970s, when Keynesianism was brought to crisis, politicians were vociferously declaring that attempting to maintain employment through inflationary means would inevitably destroy the market economy and replace it with a communist or some other totalitarian system which is the “perilous road” to be avoided “at any price". The genius in the book was the argument that serfdom would not be brought about by evil men like Stalin or Hitler, but by the cumulative effect of the wishes and actions of good men and women, each of whose interventions could be easily justified by immediate needs. We advocate social liberalism, but we also need to get there through fiscal responsibility. Pushing for inflation at this moment in time will wreak havoc on those countries whose cumulative debt stocks represent multiples of central government tax revenue.

The non?linearity of expenses versus revenues is what will bring them down.
"Pavlov's Party" is ending, and when it does, it will happen so fast no reaction will be possible:

Through travel and meetings around the world, it has become clear to us that most investors possess a heavily anchored bias that has been engrained in their belief systems mostly through inductive reasoning. Using one of the Nobel Laureate Daniel Khaneman's theories, participants fall under an availability heuristic whereby they are able to process information using only variables that are products of recent data sets or events. Let’s face it – the brevity of financial memory is shorter than the half?life of a Japanese finance minister.

Humans are optimistic by nature. People’s lives are driven by hopes and dreams which are all second derivatives of their innate optimism. Humans also suffer from optimistic biases driven by the first inalienable right of human nature which is self?preservation. It is this reflex mechanism in our cognitive pathways that makes difficult situations hard to reflect and opine on. These biases are extended to economic choices and events. The fact that developed nation sovereign defaults don’t advance anyone’s self?interest makes the logical outcome so difficult to accept. The inherent negativity associated with sovereign defaults brings us to such difficult (but logical) conclusions that it is widely thought that the powers that be cannot and will not allow it to happen. The primary difficulty with this train of thought is the bias that most investors have for the baseline facts: they tend to believe that the central bankers, politicians, and other governmental agencies are omnipotent due to their success in averting a financial meltdown in 2009.

The overarching belief is that there will always be someone or something there to act as the safety net. The safety nets worked so well recently that investors now trust they will be underneath them adinfinitum. Markets and economists alike now believe that quantitative easing (“QE”) will always “work” by flooding the market with relatively costless capital. When the only tool a central bank possesses is a hammer, everything looks like a nail. In our opinion, QE just doesn’t stimulate private credit demand and consumption in an economy where total credit market debt to GDP already exceeds 300%. The UK is the poster child for the abject failure of QE. The Bank of England has purchased over 27% of gross government debt (vs. 12% in the US). UK bond yields have all but gone negative and are now negative in real terms by at least ?1%. Unlimited QE and the zero lower bound (“ZLB”) are likely to bankrupt pension funds whose expected returns happen to be a good 600 basis points (or more) higher than the 10?year “risk?free” rate. The ZLB has many unintended consequences that are impossible to ignore.

Despite reading through Keynes’ works, we didn’t find a single index referencing the ZLB or any similar concept. In his General Theory, there are 64 entries in the index under “Interest” but no entry for the ZLB, zero rates, or even “really low rates”.

Our belief is that markets will eventually take these matters out of the hands of the central bankers. These events will happen with such rapidity that policy makers won’t be able to react fast enough.
On the lunacy of such "modern" "economic" "theories" as MMT (which may or may not stand for "Magic Money Trees")

The fallacy of the belief that countries that print their own currency are immune to sovereign crisis will be disproven in the coming months and years. Those that treat this belief as axiomatic will most likely be the biggest losers. A handful of investors and asset managers have recently discussed an emerging school of thought, which postulates that countries, as the sole manufacturer of their currency, can never become insolvent, and in this sense, governments are not dependent on credit markets to remain fiscally operational. It is precisely this line of thinking which will ultimately lead the sheep to slaughter.
The inevitable end of that supremely flawed monetarist experiment - the Eurozone:

Each subsequent “save” of the European debt crisis has been devised by the Eurocrats coming up with some new amalgamation of an entity that is more complex than its predecessor that is designed to project size, strength, and confidence to investors that the problem has been solved. Raoul, a friend of mine who resides in Spain, put it best:

“Let’s just clear this up again. The ECB is going to buy bonds of bankrupt banks just so the banks can buy more bonds from bankrupt governments. Meanwhile, just to prop this up the ESM will borrow money from bankrupt governments to buy the very bonds of those bankrupt governments.”

The EFSF, the IMF, the ESM, and the OMT (and who knows what other vehicles they will dream up next) have all been developed to serve as an optical backstop for investors globally. The Eurocrats are sticking with the Merkelavellian playbook of hiding behind the complexity of these various schemes. All one has to do is review the required contributions to said vehicles from bankrupt nations to realize that the circular references are already beginning to show in broad daylight. Does anyone stop to consider that the two largest contributors to the IMF are the two largest debtor nations in the world? Are things beginning to make sense now?

...

In the end, the EMU won't look the same, if it exists at all.
And finally, a less than rosy outlook for the entire "developed" world.

Trillions of dollars of debts will be restructured and millions of financially prudent savers will lose large percentages of their real purchasing power at exactly the wrong time in their lives. Again, the world will not end, but the social fabric of the profligate nations will be stretched and in some cases torn. Sadly, looking back through economic history, all too often war is the manifestation of simple economic entropy played to its logical conclusion. We believe that war is an inevitable consequence of the current global economic situation.
All this and much more, including the usual detailed summary depicting the Japanese ultra slow-motion trainwreck (which is picking up speed as none other than Seiji Maehara, state minister for economic and fiscal policy, admitted yesterday when he said that "[The Japan economy] is in a dire state") in the full letter below:
http://www.scribd.com/doc/113621307/Kyle-Bass

Source: http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2012-11-17/kyle-bass-falacies-such-mmt-are-leading-sheep-slaughter-and-we-believe-war-inevitabl
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Re: What's up with the value of the YEN?

Postby gaijinpunch » Wed Mar 13, 2013 3:08 pm

Any takers on when it will hit 100? Before 5/1?
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Re: What's up with the value of the YEN?

Postby matsuki » Wed Mar 13, 2013 3:29 pm

FG Lurker wrote:
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I understand that feeling perfectly as I felt exactly that when the yen was going the other way.

It was bound to happen though. There is no way the JPY was going to stay as strong as it was over the long term.


So true, just wish I could have moved more Yen to $ in that window.
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Re: What's up with the value of the YEN?

Postby IparryU » Wed Mar 13, 2013 4:14 pm

gaijinpunch wrote:Any takers on when it will hit 100? Before 5/1?

AUD will breach 100 before USD does me thinks... but I figure if USD jumps up it will hover around 110 until something shakes and we'll have to wait to see what big japanese company buys some more overseas assets and how much more money is invested into 'merica to guess what happens after that. But that is just speculation... fuck, it could jump to 130 in a few weeks for all we know. The road Abe is going down is a fucking joke.

Before Yen tumbles anymore:
Question: Which one investment would make for the next ten years
I would buy Gold in JPY and go to sleep... Sell JPY, Buy Gold, Go to sleep, and wake up ten years later and you'll be fine. Don't put all your money in it but that is the single best investment you can make today.

Source: http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-03-12/kyle-bass-warns-aig-world-back
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Re: What's up with the value of the YEN?

Postby Isle of View » Wed Mar 13, 2013 4:34 pm

Since J.M. Keynes is being quoted, he also famously observed that

"Markets can remain irrational a lot longer than you and I can remain solvent."

Shorting Japan has been the graveyard of many hot hedge fund careers.
Perhaps one day someone will get the timing right, probably more by luck than by insight.

Btw, following the financial advice of doomer porn sites such as Zero Hedge has been a great way to make a small fortune . . .

. . . starting with a large fortune.
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Re: What's up with the value of the YEN?

Postby IparryU » Wed Mar 13, 2013 6:01 pm

Isle of View wrote:Since J.M. Keynes is being quoted, he also famously observed that

"Markets can remain irrational a lot longer than you and I can remain solvent."

Shorting Japan has been the graveyard of many hot hedge fund careers.
Perhaps one day someone will get the timing right, probably more by luck than by insight.

Btw, following the financial advice of doomer porn sites such as Zero Hedge has been a great way to make a small fortune . . .

. . . starting with a large fortune.

not fully backing him cause he is basically say Japan is on-route to demise, but there is lots of food for thought and what not.

that and Abe failing would be amusing to read in the news.
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Re: What's up with the value of the YEN?

Postby Samurai_Jerk » Wed Mar 13, 2013 6:09 pm

IparryU wrote:
Isle of View wrote:Since J.M. Keynes is being quoted, he also famously observed that

"Markets can remain irrational a lot longer than you and I can remain solvent."

Shorting Japan has been the graveyard of many hot hedge fund careers.
Perhaps one day someone will get the timing right, probably more by luck than by insight.

Btw, following the financial advice of doomer porn sites such as Zero Hedge has been a great way to make a small fortune . . .

. . . starting with a large fortune.

not fully backing him cause he is basically say Japan is on-route to demise, but there is lots of food for thought and what not.

that and Abe failing would be amusing to read in the news.


You been holding seances or something?
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Re: What's up with the value of the YEN?

Postby FG Lurker » Wed Mar 13, 2013 10:02 pm

Not everyone agrees with Kyle Bass:

To Our Subscribers, Clients, Employees, Associates and Friends:

As many of you know, Japan's economy does not get the respect it deserves.

Yes, it has a severe debt situation as well as big issues it must face in areas including labor, immigration, taxes, pensions, social policy, energy and more. Indeed, many people believe that Japan is in a more severe situation than Greece. And because Japan is so poor at communicating its many strengths, and the mainstream media does nothing but act as an echo chamber for the 'Japan is about to fail' pundits, the view that Japan is a failure is repeated over and over.

As many of you are aware, for over 15 years since our founding in 1997, SUCCESS STORIES: JAPAN Executive Newsletter has been speaking directly with the heads of companies in Japan and reporting their strategies, tactics and approaches to our subscribers. Foreign companies in Japan ranging from Microsoft and HSBC to Caterpillar and Volkswagen to Siemens and Sumitomo 3M and many more. Large domestic giants like Shiseido and Marubeni. Strong domestic brands like Denny's Japan. Technology firms ranging from Kenko.com to Bellsystem24, Weathernews and many more. Dominant private companies such as Suntory. Little-known companies in real estate, manufacturing, food, beverages, industrial products -- even commodity trading firms and apparel wholesalers and love hotel chains. We've conducted thousands of in-depth interviews to get to unveil successful approaches that your firm can use to increase your own sales and profits in Japan. We make money for our clients and subscribers. And along the way, we've learned alot about the true state of Japan's companies.

Every year in February, SUCCESS STORIES: JAPAN offers within its pages its economic view on Japan for the coming year. I am pleased to be able to also send it to you in this message, it appears below. (As it happens, Japan's government's recent announcement about its Japan Tobacco stock sale came 10 days after this was published, but we were pleased to have our view confirmed in such a timely way). Please feel free to send us your thoughts and comments, we always appreciate them.

But most importantly, it is our strongly-held view that Japan is not nearly as bad off as the media makes it seem. In fact, it is strong in ways that will gradually make themselves more clear in the coming months and years. And if the rest of the world's developed economies enter another downward economic cycle, we believe Japan's economy will be a relative outperformer on a number of measures, relative to those other developed economies.

Thank you for your attention and consideration to our message, and to your support of our mission.

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Another Year of Debunking the Japan Myth Embraced by Many
Japan's Debt Is A Concern; But Bond Guys Who Are Short Are Talking Their Book
From the February 2013 Issue of SUCCESS STORIES: JAPAN Executive Newsletter
Copyright 2013 Success Stories Media, Inc. All Rights Reserved.

Another year has passed. Another year without Japan seeing its economy slam to a halt. No bond market rebellion against high levels of government debt, nor any panic of consumers in the streets. In fact, life in Japan continues on, on the surface seemingly unchanged from last year and the years previous.

Despite the insistence of pundits and widely-quoted hedge fund managers that Japan's economic demise is near and getting nearer, in fact the real changes in Japan, as always, are far more subtle and Japan's economic management may prove far more effective than many expect. In SSJ's annual look at Japan's economy to start the year, the focus is on deconstructing the continuing insistence of some of the world's most well-known and successful hedge fund managers that Japan's end is nigh.

Let us turn particularly to hedge fund investor Kyle Bass. While we don't generally focus on or respond to individual pundits or commentators in these pages, we're making an exception. Many readers have heard of Bass or have read or seen his interviews, as he is a favorite of the mainstream financial press, not only because he runs a very large and successful hedge fund, but because he likes to offer some truly entertaining quotes ? those of the type that interviewers love and do their utmost to seek out. "Investing in Japan is like picking up a dime in front of a bulldozer," Bass has said. "Japan is like a bug in search of a windshield." "Last year they sold more adult diapers than kids diapers in Japan." "Japan is the most xenophopic homogenized population of any developed nation in the world." Bass offers other colorful quotes, but readers get the idea. He can be entertaining.

As entertaining as he might be to some, nevertheless his oft-repeated analysis of Japan's situation has numerous flaws ? exactly the sort that might be expected from someone who evaluates numbers on a page without really knowing anything about the country itself.

To be fair to Mr. Bass, we use his presentation on Japan's economy offered at the Americatalyst conference in late 2012, and shown on video easily found on the internet, as the basis for showing all that he has left out of his analysis. Bass has long seemed overly taken with Japan's government debt which may have recently increased as high as 243 percent of GDP, depending on estimates. "That's [also] 25 times the size of central government tax revenue," he reminds his audience. "They will have a bond crisis in the next two or three years. It will be a big one," he states with assurance. Even as Japan added more and more new debt in the period 1998-2005, Bass contends, the effects of falling interest rates on its much larger horde of existing debt caused overall interest costs to fall. So now, "they spend ten and a half trillion yen on interest, when their overall central government tax take is only \42 trillion. So they spend a quarter of what they take in on interest, and that's [at a time ? now] when their debt is free."

At its core, Bass' thesis is that for any country as deeply in debt as Japan, where at least current deflation offers acceptable if not spectacular real yields to debt investors, introducing inflation will force the country to default on its debt. Especially in Japan's case, when rates even moving to two percent on 10Y JGBs means a near doubling of their annual interest outlay. So, with the election of Prime Minister Abe in December and the twin engines of subsequent money-printing and fiscal stimulus now the policy, Bass has gone on record to say that this only convinces him that the timeframe for Japan's debt troubles to start causing problems has only accelerated. Meaning, it will be even sooner than it otherwise would have been.

One of Bass's arguments is that Japanese government bond rates will rise, or 'back up', quickly, causing Japan's JGB holders to sell them off en masse, accelerating the rate rise even more. Japan cannot afford to pay the interest that would result, so it will have to default. "It's the most obvious thing I've ever seen in my career. It's just a question of when," he insists. Fueling his view is Japan's disappearing current account surplus, which until recently brought in more capital from abroad that could be used to buy more JGBs. It is now turning consistently negative. And then there's Japan's retirement funding guarantees to its population, which it can't even fully fund today, much less when retirements peak in coming years, he feels.

Well, this might have some plausibility if JGB holders were all professional bond traders like Bass, sitting in front of screens all day watching the rise and fall of bond rates. But they're not. Even if bond rates do rise eventually as Bass predicts, the rise will likely be slow, not fast, as the institutions that hold JGBs perceive them as their most core asset and will be reluctant to 'dump' them in any scenario. The government would also provide all kinds of carrots and sticks to limit the magnitude and timing of any such sell-off. Japanese households too, will not exactly be able to cash in their JGBs overnight. The full influence of Japan's government will be to tell the people that all is not so bad ? and the Japanese are, despite a recent fall in the regard they have for elected officials, still likely to give them the benefit of the doubt, especially in turbulent times.

But let's assume Bass gets his expected JGB 'slaughter' and that interest rates skyrocket as he predicts. Japan's government budget will be finished due to the much higher interest rates and the difficulty of funding a deficit that is already larger than annual tax receipts. Right?

Well, he forgets that a declining yen could drive a formidable turnaround in exports, bringing in much needed capital. And he forgets, as has been previously pointed out in these pages, that Japan has the largest net capital surplus of any country including the US and China ? beyond $3 trillion. Check that capital account there, Kyle. When the yen declines, the value of remittances and repatriations from all those foreign holdings (dividends, interest, profit) denominated in foreign currencies will actually rise and improve its current account. And he forgets that inflation in the country can improve wages and profits and growth (at least nominally) as well as the 'velocity' of money generally. So the rise of inflation might by definition force households to spend rather than hold onto their cash, providing a growth boost.

In addition, Bass looks at charts without knowing the country or observing the real economy (he boasts of having dinner with a senior Bank of Japan official on a recent visit). Japan still has the full menu of structural changes to implement, and is only just beginning that implementation. The Bank of Japan has put excess reserves into the banks, but so far banks have been unwilling to lend large amounts except to property. Indeed, unlike other countries, many of Japan's top non-financial corporations ? whether in beverages, IT technology, or what have you ? have significant real property holdings. By re-inflating the property sector and having corporate loans flow to companies using their property as collateral, companies are already beginning to be far less capital-constrained. Witness the resurgence of the REITs and foreign institutional interest in Tier 1 Japanese land, office buildings and apartment complexes.

Japan has also been tightening its tax regime. While everyone has heard of the consumption tax increase scheduled for implementation in 2014 and 2015 if the economy performs well enough, in fact there have been other tax reforms that are likely to yield greater windfalls. In a footnote to the little-read Japanese fiscal 2012 government budget document published late in 2011, Japan promised "future radical reform of the taxation system," and it has already started. Japan is for the first time asking citizens to list their property and assets in foreign countries ? a requirement affecting Japanese citizens' holding of property as of December 2013 and which are required to be reported for the first time in the spring of 2014 (these pages will focus more specifically on this topic in an upcoming issue). While not taxed yet, establishing who holds foreign property and establishing penalties on those who omit their holdings or misstate their value ? underlies Japan's government's future ability to reap additional income and estate taxes.

These pages have previously discussed Japan's potential for privatization. Bass's analysis does not at all include the value the national as well as regional and municipal governments can gain from sales of their immense holdings of assets including NTT, Japan Tobacco, JR Railways, Japan Post, state oil exploration companies, JOGMEC stakes, JAPEX stakes, RIKEN stakes, DBJ stakes, refining assets, telecom assets, property, tokushu hojin (look it up Kyle), stakes in banks like Aozora and Shinsei; and parks, sanitation, retail, eldercare facilities and more.

And there are also things Japan can do that it hasn't even started on doing. A pharmaceutical company in Japan spends money wining and dining port industry executives and officials. Why? Because officials regularly get away with substantial inconsistencies in what they charge similarly-situated companies trading goods into and out of Japan. When Japan gets to a point of implementing real oversight over such large industries and auditing their own tax and fee collectors, they will find a windfall of opportunities to impose penalties and bring a more consistent implementation to their tax regime, resulting in trillions of extra yen in revenues every year.

Nor has Bass accounted for the fact that Japan's recent first-in-decades current account deficit is the result of having to import oil and gas to replace nuclear power, which generated over thirty percent of Japan's electricity before the March 11, 2011 earthquake and tsunami. With a likely return to nuclear-generated electricity in some amount, those are yen that will no longer be spent on importing gas and oil.

The lower yen will also stimulate Japan's tourist industry, long a focus of Japanese government efforts to stimulate the economy. The tourist and airline industries have already been actively promoting travel to Japan with Japanese government financial support. When Japan gets seven million annual visitors and a much tinier Singapore welcomes twelve million, imagine how tourism might grow if the yen is twenty, thirty or more percent, cheaper.

As we reported last year (SSJ, April and May 2012) and confirm elsewhere in this issue, Japan is also likely to allow casino gambling as part of the effort not only to promote tourism, but to keep its own rich gamblers who have been tempted to fly to Macao, Singapore, and other locales, at home. That will be even more likely if budget problems occur, because the tax windfall would be substantial ? on the order of tens of billions of dollars a year in this nation where pachinko is larger than auto manufacturing.

Japan's household and corporate sector have a lot of cash that can be taxed and/or invested when the country creates a proper environment for capital to be put to work. Japan's household savings rate may have fallen to nothing, and the government may have an enormous debt level. But its households still have more than \1500 trillion in bank account and postal savings and insurance. And neither its households nor its corporations have debt levels anywhere near the levels of households or corporations in the US or Europe. There is also substantial undisclosed personal wealth in the form of jewelry, precious metals, coins, art, artifacts etc., a fact these pages have reported on in the past but which doesn't merit a line on Bass' Japan spreadsheet.

And Japan's big holding of US treasuries, will it not be sold off if Japan really gets that desperate? In which case, what will be the effect of such sales?

So Bass in his calculation sees a one-dimensional dynamic. Inflation will bring a bond market rout as bond yields climb, JGBs are dumped, and the government is forced to default. But the failing in his analysis is that the entire sequence of events is not linear and cannot be modeled. His expectations for Japan take no account of how inflation and/or a weaker yen could affect privatizations, the capital surplus, or the pace of economic growth; or how any of these could postpone or fully eliminate the dire consequences he sees as inevitable. They take no account for structural economic and social policy changes Japan can make to retirement and pension law, immigration, labor, tourism, or tax policies over time. No account for changes in how taxes and social policies could be enforced or even decentralized, allowing prefectures and municipalities to sell their own (municipal) bonds in a few years, for example. No accounting for the fact that the 240 percent ratio of debt to GDP he so often cites uses 'gross' debt, and when you net out what various Japanese government entities owe each other, Japan's net debt is actually about half that figure. In the longer term, neither is there any accounting for how technology (robotics) and medicine (improved lifestyles and productivity) and energy-savings technologies in production (in which Japan arguably leads the world) might help hold off his 'inevitable' economic disaster.

One thing we do agree with Bass on, is his statement about not falling for 'anchoring biases': "Don't let these anchoring biases get to you, where the press constantly repeats something and it becomes axiomatic over time. You have to really think about what's going on," he advises. Very true. Bass should act on his own words when it comes to Japan ? Japan's debt poses real concern but there are both short and long-term factors which can delay it, mitigate it, even render it wholly insignificant.

For readers of these pages, mostly senior managers of and investors in companies with significant Japan orientation, the important thing, we believe, is to always keep in mind that real productive assets, such as companies with growth potential generally, as well as those in Japan with unappreciated and undervalued assets, are worth investing in. Our knowledge of Japan's companies, CEO millionaire families, size, substantial wealth, and significant untapped technology all contribute to our view that Japan may actually be relatively better positioned for a debt crisis than any other developed nation.


I've leaned both directions in this debate at different times but these days I tend to think that Japan will work through its problems and end up mostly okay. No doubt there will be a few bumps in the road but not the apoplectic clusterfuck predicted by some.
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Re: What's up with the value of the YEN?

Postby yanpa » Wed Mar 13, 2013 10:11 pm

If I had a yen for every prediction of impending calamity (and another yen for every Japanophile "Japan will rise from the ashes" prediction) I've read over the years, I could ... probably make one purchase in a 100 yen shop.

Personally I think Japan will bumble along, under-potential and wasting a lot of opportunities, and in the long term will slide into gentle decline.
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Re: What's up with the value of the YEN?

Postby gaijinpunch » Thu Mar 14, 2013 1:58 am

that and Abe failing would be amusing to read in the news.


I think "will be" is what you're looking for.
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Re: What's up with the value of the YEN?

Postby IparryU » Thu Mar 14, 2013 12:49 pm

yanpa wrote:If I had a yen for every prediction of impending calamity (and another yen for every Japanophile "Japan will rise from the ashes" prediction) I've read over the years, I could ... probably make one purchase in a 100 yen shop.

Personally I think Japan will bumble along, under-potential and wasting a lot of opportunities, and in the long term will slide into gentle decline.

this guy is a douche japanophile...

http://video.cnbc.com/gallery/?play=1&video=3000145885

he should really stick to writing shit cause his verbal is... just whack.
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Re: What's up with the value of the YEN?

Postby matsuki » Thu Mar 14, 2013 3:52 pm

yanpa wrote:If I had a yen for every prediction of impending calamity (and another yen for every Japanophile "Japan will rise from the ashes" prediction) I've read over the years, I could ... probably make one purchase in a 100 yen shop.

Personally I think Japan will bumble along, under-potential and wasting a lot of opportunities, and in the long term will slide into gentle decline.


The only way the decline is going to be gentle is if they import a crazy amount of FG in the coming generations. We all know how (un)likely that is now but I guess that could change.
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Re: What's up with the value of the YEN?

Postby gaijinpunch » Fri Mar 15, 2013 2:19 am

IparryU wrote:
yanpa wrote:If I had a yen for every prediction of impending calamity (and another yen for every Japanophile "Japan will rise from the ashes" prediction) I've read over the years, I could ... probably make one purchase in a 100 yen shop.

Personally I think Japan will bumble along, under-potential and wasting a lot of opportunities, and in the long term will slide into gentle decline.

this guy is a douche japanophile...

http://video.cnbc.com/gallery/?play=1&video=3000145885

he should really stick to writing shit cause his verbal is... just whack.


Ouch -- that hurt.
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Re: What's up with the value of the YEN?

Postby Coligny » Sun Mar 17, 2013 11:34 pm

Cyprus bailout...

http://ex-skf.blogspot.jp/2013/03/germa ... ut-of.html

10 % taken from deposit bank account...

I somehow don't see this as a good precedent...
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Re: What's up with the value of the YEN?

Postby yanpa » Mon Mar 18, 2013 12:00 am

As a German taxpayer all I can say is yay, stick it to the freeloaders.

But seriously - this whole European project - too many entrant countries, too fast.
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Re: What's up with the value of the YEN?

Postby FG Lurker » Mon Mar 18, 2013 12:40 am

yanpa wrote:As a German taxpayer all I can say is yay, stick it to the freeloaders.

As a non-European I certainly wouldn't keep money in any EU bank after this. Ever. Seizing bank deposits? What the fuck are they thinking!?

yanpa wrote:But seriously - this whole European project - too many entrant countries, too fast.

Which benefited the German economy tremendously. Huge transfer of wealth into Germany but now that the shit has hit the fan Germany is doing their best to sidestep any real responsibility.

The poorer countries of the EU would be much better off to bail and go it alone. Devalue their currencies (would happen automatically anyway) and be competitive again. Leave Germany and France holding the EU bag.
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Re: What's up with the value of the YEN?

Postby Samurai_Jerk » Mon Mar 18, 2013 1:30 pm

Coligny wrote:Cyprus bailout...

http://ex-skf.blogspot.jp/2013/03/germa ... ut-of.html

10 % taken from deposit bank account...

I somehow don't see this as a good precedent...


That's exactly the type of thing a filthy pinko like yourself should love.
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Re: What's up with the value of the YEN?

Postby Coligny » Mon Mar 18, 2013 3:10 pm

Samurai_Jerk wrote:That's exactly the type of thing a filthy pinko like yourself should love.


Taking money from corporation to give to citizens... yes

Taking money from citizens to salvage corrupt kapitalist governementz... not so much...

Wait... you still have that Reaganian belief that commies wants everybody to be miserable and poor, that Soviet eats their babies and only good amurikunz under god can enjoy rock'n'roll and Coca Cola-Disney tie-in freedom ?

Which part of "hanging the last banker with the bowels of the last priest" made you think that ?
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Re: What's up with the value of the YEN?

Postby Samurai_Jerk » Mon Mar 18, 2013 3:27 pm

Coligny wrote:
Samurai_Jerk wrote:kapitalist governementz


In Europe? :keyboardcoffee:
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Re: What's up with the value of the YEN?

Postby legion » Mon Mar 18, 2013 11:50 pm

they lost their nerve on the raid on savers

committees can talk themselves into some really dumb places, then reality bites.

They loot Cyprus and there will be a run on every bank in Italy, then Spain, then ......
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Re: What's up with the value of the YEN?

Postby Russell » Tue Mar 19, 2013 12:00 am

Problem is that a lot of the savings in Cyprus banks is from rich Russians who dodge taxes. The Germans did not want to subsidize those...
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Re: What's up with the value of the YEN?

Postby legion » Tue Mar 19, 2013 12:22 am

Russell wrote:Problem is that a lot of the savings in Cyprus banks is from rich Russians who dodge taxes. The Germans did not want to subsidize those...


is the line you are being fed

but if that was the reason them they would just go after accounts owned by Mr Ruskie

but they are not, they are after everyone

and it doesn't matter whose money it is, the basic message is that it all belongs to the Eurocrats

they have just made everyone in Cyprus a gaijin owning city taxes
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Re: What's up with the value of the YEN?

Postby Coligny » Tue Mar 19, 2013 12:29 am

Russell wrote:Problem is that a lot of the savings in Cyprus banks is from rich Russians who dodge taxes. The Germans did not want to subsidize those...



Watchout for gazprom export prices next wintur...
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Re: What's up with the value of the YEN?

Postby legion » Tue Mar 19, 2013 12:50 am

and if tax evasion and tax havens are the problem, why not go after Starbucks or all those companies domiciled in the Cayman Islands ?
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Re: What's up with the value of the YEN?

Postby Coligny » Tue Mar 19, 2013 1:09 am

Isle of man and the London "city" would pop up on the radar pretty fast... no good, closet full of skeletons...
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Re: What's up with the value of the YEN?

Postby Russell » Tue Mar 19, 2013 8:49 am

legion wrote:and if tax evasion and tax havens are the problem, why not go after Starbucks or all those companies domiciled in the Cayman Islands ?

Because the banks there are not in danger of collapsing.
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Re: What's up with the value of the YEN?

Postby legion » Tue Mar 19, 2013 10:39 am

Russell wrote:
legion wrote:and if tax evasion and tax havens are the problem, why not go after Starbucks or all those companies domiciled in the Cayman Islands ?

Because the banks there are not in danger of collapsing.


So tax evasion is fine until the banks run into money troubles, then it suddenly become an issue?
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Re: What's up with the value of the YEN?

Postby Samurai_Jerk » Tue Mar 19, 2013 10:42 am

legion wrote:
Russell wrote:
legion wrote:and if tax evasion and tax havens are the problem, why not go after Starbucks or all those companies domiciled in the Cayman Islands ?

Because the banks there are not in danger of collapsing.


So tax evasion is fine until the banks run into money troubles, then it suddenly become an issue?


Tax avoidance and tax evasion aren't the same thing.
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Re: What's up with the value of the YEN?

Postby FG Lurker » Tue Mar 19, 2013 12:21 pm

Russell wrote:Problem is that a lot of the savings in Cyprus banks is from rich Russians who dodge taxes. The Germans did not want to subsidize those...

It doesn't matter who the money belongs to, how it got there, or how legitimate (or not) it is. Raiding bank account capital sets a hugely bad precedent. This article covers it very well:

Bail in threatens to accelerate future bank runs: Kemp
Reuters, March 18, 2013
There is a good reason deposits have been the most protected form of bank liabilities. It has nothing to do with fairness.

Deposit protection is the most successful banking policy enacted in the last 60 years.

It has banished the runs that plagued banks and savings institutions in the early 20th century, leading to the suspension of thousands of banks a year in the early 1930s, and which erupted again briefly in the mid-1980s, felling hundreds of savings and loans in the United States.

If European policymakers need reminding about the terrible dynamics of a bank run they need only consult Robert Bruner and Sean Carr's monograph about "The Panic of 1907", or "Integrity, Fairness and Resolve", the history of the savings and loan crisis published by the Federal Reserve Bank of Kansas City.

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PRE-EMPTING THE BAIL-IN

EU officials have been quick to stress that the circumstances surrounding the banks in Cyprus are unique. Haircuts are not being considered as part of the workout for troubled financial institutions in other member states.

There has also been plenty of off-the-record briefing that many of the deposits are from wealthy Russians and some may be the proceeds of tax evasion, crime and money laundering.

The first claim is not credible; the second is not relevant.

The EU cannot avoid setting a precedent. The next time rumors start to circulate about trouble at a financial institution in a member state, depositors must reckon with the risk they too will face a deposit levy as part of a workout. The rational response is to pull deposits out as fast as possible.

Deposit levies sharpen the incentives for a self-fulfilling bank run. They threaten to make each future crisis worse.

[...]

In future, depositors will have an incentive not just to run for the exits ahead of possible suspension, but also to escape any possible levy. No realistic interest rate can offset probable losses from suspension, failure or being levied, all of which are low probability but high consequence events.

Is this really what EU officials want?

[...]

Even if the situation in Cyprus can be stabilized, the bail-in sets a terrible precedent.

Next time an EU financial institution runs into serious trouble, EU policymakers will assure depositors no haircut is being contemplated. But who will believe them?

(Full Story)


Edit: Perhaps the worst thing is that just by considering doing this people will be scared. I can say with certainty that if I had any money in Cyprus the very first thing I would do when their banks reopened would be to remove all of it. Why take a risk leaving it there, there is absolutely no potential upside to leaving it in place, only potential downsides. I expect a lot of other people are having the same thoughts, and not only in Cyprus.

Edit 2: Links didn't seem to be working. Also adjusted quoted sections somewhat to better represent the article.
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Re: What's up with the value of the YEN?

Postby Screwed-down Hairdo » Tue Mar 19, 2013 12:31 pm

Samurai_Jerk wrote:
Coligny wrote:Cyprus bailout...

http://ex-skf.blogspot.jp/2013/03/germa ... ut-of.html

10 % taken from deposit bank account...

I somehow don't see this as a good precedent...


That's exactly the type of thing a filthy pinko like yourself should love.


And why I'm all for it...should be enacted globally, as well as capping personal wealth at $1 billion in total cash and assets and CEO wages at no greater than 50 times that of a company's lowest-paid worker, among other socailly rationalizing steps. Of course, I also wouldn't mind some group action with Snow White, Rapunzel, Sleeping Beauty, Cinderella and the like, which I probably have a better chance of realizing than what I'd like to see materialize with economies.
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