Slave Wages?

[GomiGirl]

Just cruising on Craigs list and saw this:
http://tokyo.craigslist.jp/csr/3765099136.html

8 hours per day, 5 days per week. JPY170,000 a month.

I know that wages have dropped but this is outrageous!! This is arubaito pay for a salary worker.

[Mike Oxlong]

Take a cruise thru the Hello Work website and others and look at the wages offered for the jobs in my neck of the woods...

[gaijinpunch]

Shit pay for slave driving jobs have always been around... this isn't that new. I've rarely seen them advertised though.

[Russell]

Just cruising on Craigs list and saw this:
http://tokyo.craigslist.jp/csr/3765099136.html

8 hours per day, 5 days per week. JPY170,000 a month.

I know that wages have dropped but this is outrageous!! This is arubaito pay for a salary worker.

On the other hand, the 8 hours a day include a lunch break.

Tell that twice to a Gaijin...

[gaijinpunch]

If you think the lucky winner of this job (which actually has pretty high requirements) is going to finish each work day with only 8 working hours, please pass the bong.

[GomiGirl]

If you think the lucky winner of this job (which actually has pretty high requirements) is going to finish each work day with only 8 working hours, please pass the bong.

This job is not just warming a seat and looking pretty. There seems to be lots of work involved which is why I originally started this thread. The drop is advertised wages is really noticeable.

[Samurai_Jerk]

Since it's contract and lunch is included in the 8 hours, I bet they aren't even classifying this person as a full-time employee. Lots of companies don't pay you for your lunch break. It's probably officially a 35 hour week with a lot of service zangyou. The World is a horrible place to live.

[Coligny]

The World kapitalism is a horrible place way to live.

2x FTFYouze

[Samurai_Jerk]

The World kapitalism is a horrible place way to live.

2x FTFYouze

Yeah, because communism has such a good track record.

[Coligny]

Your point being ?

It's ok to be much worse since the other system wasn't perfect ?

[Samurai_Jerk]

It's ok to be much worse since the other system wasn't perfect ?

[Coligny]

You soo totally stole my line here...

[FG Lurker]

It's a ticket out of the eikaiwa world for someone with no sales or IT skills. Pays less than eikaiwa but has potential to be a springboard (experience etc) to something better in the future.

If I was in my 20s and stuck in eikaiwa I might consider it.

[Samurai_Jerk]

It's a ticket out of the eikaiwa world for someone with no sales or IT skills. Pays less than eikaiwa but has potential to be a springboard (experience etc) to something better in the future.

If I was in my 20s and stuck in eikaiwa I might consider it.

That's exactly what I thought when I saw the ad but it'd be really tough to live on that in Tokyo. You could do it if you stayed in a gaijin house in the 'burbs and didn't party too much though.

[FG Lurker]

It's a ticket out of the eikaiwa world for someone with no sales or IT skills. Pays less than eikaiwa but has potential to be a springboard (experience etc) to something better in the future.
If I was in my 20s and stuck in eikaiwa I might consider it.

That's exactly what I thought when I saw the ad but it'd be really tough to live on that in Tokyo. You could do it if you stayed in a gaijin house in the 'burbs and didn't party too much though.

If it was me I'd probably pick up some Saturday eikaiwa or wedding work to make ends meet while working towards something better. It'd be a rough 18~24 months but if it paid off with something much better then it'd definitely be worth it.

[GomiGirl]

I guess my outrage was more directed at the company for having the nerve to post a job like that with such poor remuneration. But it seems they may not be short on people willing to accept it.

[FG Lurker]

I guess my outrage was more directed at the company for having the nerve to post a job like that with such poor remuneration. But it seems they may not be short on people willing to accept it.

Sometimes future possibilities are more important than present remuneration.

On one hand it is smart of the company in question to take advantage of this. On the other hand they will never be able to hold on to quality employees so it will bite them in the ass that way.

[Samurai_Jerk]

I guess my outrage was more directed at the company for having the nerve to post a job like that with such poor remuneration. But it seems they may not be short on people willing to accept it.

Sometimes future possibilities are more important than present remuneration.

On one hand it is smart of the company in question to take advantage of this. On the other hand they will never be able to hold on to quality employees so it will bite them in the ass that way.

If the second point is true, it's not smart. It's just cheap and shortsighted. Though looking at their business and the size of the company, I doubt they have a lot of cash to throw around.

[Russell]

Looking at their organizational chart, you would be one of their nine employees, two of which are CEO and two of which are managers. Talking about overhead...

On the other hand, you would work directly under their international team manager, being part of a team of three. Speaking of opportunities.

Then again, I would expect a company with a Sweden CEO to have Swedish job conditions...

[FG Lurker]

On one hand it is smart of the company in question to take advantage of this. On the other hand they will never be able to hold on to quality employees so it will bite them in the ass that way.

If the second point is true, it's not smart. It's just cheap and shortsighted.

That's what I was saying with my second point.

[FG Lurker]

On the other hand, you would work directly under their international team manager, being part of a team of three. Speaking of opportunities.

It was not my intention to imply there would be opportunities within the company.

One of the shittiest things about eikaiwa is that there is a certain stigma to working in the industry that can make it harder to escape. Just by not working in eikaiwa it can be easier to make contacts and find other potential jobs. Add to that a dose of non-eikaiwa experience and suddenly you can find yourself as being much more interesting in the job market.

As with anything a great deal depends on the person involved. I'm just speaking in generalizations.

[Russell]

OK, it makes sense.

Hearing that, I am certainly glad that I never had to work in Eikaiwa.

[J.A.F.O]

The World kapitalism is a horrible place way to live... for the proletariat. Not to bad if your on top.

Communism the slaves are owned by the state.
Capitalism leads to wage slaves.

Socrates once theorized that all governments carry their own seed for destruction. Maybe we're all slaves just haggling over who we want our master to be.

Okay moment of clarity is over going back to my beer fridge to choke on my prole hopushu.