Anti-Korean march in Tokyo leads to a big street brawl

[Taro Toporific]

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Anti-Korean demo in Tokyo turns into a street brawl and results in eight arrests
www.tokyo-np.co.jp/article/national/news/CK2013061702000133.html (in Japanese)
The Chunichi Shimbun / June 17, 2013

The Chunichi article says something about a famous Japanese punk rocker leading the protest and being arrested, but haven't the slightest idea who the fuck he is.

[Coligny]

Since when the police dare to screw around against them uyokus ?

[Taro Toporific]

Mulboyne and Néojaponisme tweeted this:

Battle for Shin-Okubu reaches new more violent stage
@Mulboyne
8 arrests during an anti-Korean demo in Shinjuku:
--Néojaponisme (@neojaponisme) June 17, 2013

[yanpa]

The right-wingers must have been enraged by a thoughtful NHK documentary I saw at the weekend documenting a 21-soon-to-be-22 girl with a Japanese mother and a Korean father and the dilemma of which nationality she should choose.

(She went with Korean).

[Yokohammer]

The Chunichi article says something about a famous Japanese punk rocker leading the protest and being arrested, but haven't the slightest idea who the fuck he is.

Where did you see the punk rocker bit?

From the article you linked to I got the names of the usual Zaitokukai thug, Makoto Sakurai, and photographer Kenji Kubo (久保憲司).

[Taro Toporific]

The Chunichi article says something about a famous Japanese punk rocker leading the protest and being arrested, but haven't the slightest idea who the fuck he is.

Where did you see the punk rocker bit?
From the article you linked to I got the names of the usual Zaitokukai thug, Makoto Sakurai, and photographer Kenji Kubo (久保憲司).

Bingo!
I saw different articles talking about the connection of Kenji Kubo (久保憲司) and the punk movement. Now I understand that Kubo was a punk/rock photographer (not a musician) who has been published in all the major magazines like NME, Rolling Stone, etc.

[Yokohammer]

Bingo!
I saw different articles talking about the connection of Kenji Kubo (久保憲司) and the punk movement. Now I understand that Kubo was a punk/rock photographer (not a musician) who has been published in all the major magazines like NME, Rolling Stone, etc.

Ah ... punk/rock photographer! Now it all makes sense.

Now that I look into it, the guy seems to have quite a resume.

[Screwed-down Hairdo]

I'd prefer there were no arrests made at these types of events. I'd rather have them made more open and publicized. Many Japanese I've met claim to detest types such as the Zaitokukai, but they're effectively saying pretty much the same things as politicians such as Abe, Aso and, even more overtly, Hashimoto and Ishihara -- all of who are among the cuntry's most popular elected officials. Based on my experiences, I suspect Zaitokukai is not too far away from the mindset of the average Japanese, but more prepared to be vociferous about their beliefs. Patterns in voting/opinion polls suggest my suspicions are pretty close to the mark. If that's the case, let us know instead of hiding behind a veneer of feigned enlightenment.

Japanese people really should show their true face -- both of them.

[matsuki]

I'd prefer there were no arrests made at these types of events. I'd rather have them made more open and publicized. Many Japanese I've met claim to detest types such as the Zaitokukai, but they're effectively saying pretty much the same things as politicians such as Abe, Aso and, even more overtly, Hashimoto and Ishihara -- all of who are among the cuntry's most popular elected officials. Based on my experiences, I suspect Zaitokukai is not too far away from the mindset of the average Japanese, but more prepared to be vociferous about their beliefs. Patterns in voting/opinion polls suggest my suspicions are pretty close to the mark. If that's the case, let us know instead of hiding behind a veneer of feigned enlightenment.

Japanese people really should show their true face -- both of them.

It's the unique culture of passive aggressiveness. The average Japanese detest the Zaitokukai because they are too straight forward with their FG hate instead of hating from the shadows like a civilized person should

[Taro Toporific]

The Korean counter-protesters to the Zaitokukai dipshits have a kickass website at shitback.tumblr.com

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shitback.tumblr.com

[Screwed-down Hairdo]

I hate how the anti-racist side in this argument (essentially native Japanese speakers) are using Engrish/katakana to fight the anti-foreigners. It turns the words into euphemisms and distances them from the old geezers running the cuntry (Not that they'd do anything about it, but it's a weapon the establishment here uses <which is why Hashimoto was so angry that "comfort woman," a next-to-fucking meaningless term in English, is translated as sex slave, because thats' what the women were. It sounds less offensive, but it also detracts from the seriousness of the issue.)
When an anti-racist campaigner speaks out about heito-supiichi, the average punter has no fucken idea what they're talking about and simply dismisses them as a stupid communist. Sabetsu yogo, or (more literally) kenon yogo are more accurate and grate on the nerves of native Japanese speakers. But the weaker term is used, which demeans the message.
Of course, that's the idea. Japan wants to be seen to be combating these people. But it essentially supports them. Video footage of the Shinokubo incident yesterday shows the Zaitokukai were aggressors, yet equal numbers on both sides have been arrested (though the media reports as though it were only racist protestors apprehended) and one of them was clearly retaliating to having been attacked first.) Follow-ups will not be given, but I'd be interested to know the penalties those arrested receive. I suspect they will all be released without charges, fines or criminal records, if they haven't already been let go. It's shifty and maintained across society in a systematic, organized manner.
But, we're gonna host the Orinpikku because we're not as trouble-ridden as the ragheads in Turkey (who we used to name our brothels after) and not as destitute as Spain (at least until the hosting rites have been awarded and Abenomics can be allowed to run its natural course and fail)...

[Yokohammer]

The Korean counter-protesters to the Zaitokukai dipshits have a kickass website at shitback.tumblr.com

A counter group! Now this is getting really interesting!

I saw the "レイシストをしばき隊" name in the original article, but thought it was just a one-off thing. So they've actually organized a counter group! That means things could get nasty. But it also means that there will probably be more incidents that get more media attention, which is probably the point. I see the counter group is organizing concerts for the cause too.

Anything (short of physical violence that injures/kills) that puts racism in Japan in the spotlight is probably good.

[TennoChinko]

It seems that four people from the pro-Korean side were also arrested.

As distaste as Zaitokukai might appear, public support (from the expat community at least) might shift if/when it becomes known some of the other side are represented by characters like this charming North Korean fellow:



From JapanProbe

[Screwed-down Hairdo]

It seems that four people from the pro-Korean side were also arrested.

As distaste as Zaitokukai might appear, public support (from the expat community at least) might shift if/when it becomes known some of the other side are represented by characters like this charming North Korean fellow:



From JapanProbe

I'm very skeptical about the anti-racism group to begin with, so agree with you, tennochinko. (It's interesting to note that you picked that photo up from a story about Asians struggling to deal with Asians all looking the same.)

[Coligny]

I'd prefer there were no arrests made at these types of events. I'd rather have them made more open and publicized. Many Japanese I've met claim to detest types such as the Zaitokukai, but they're effectively saying pretty much the same things as politicians such as Abe, Aso and, even more overtly, Hashimoto and Ishihara -- all of who are among the cuntry's most popular elected officials. Based on my experiences, I suspect Zaitokukai is not too far away from the mindset of the average Japanese, but more prepared to be vociferous about their beliefs. Patterns in voting/opinion polls suggest my suspicions are pretty close to the mark. If that's the case, let us know instead of hiding behind a veneer of feigned enlightenment.

Japanese people really should show their true face -- both of them.

The whole "punchy racism" / "soft racism" usually allows those on the soft side to feel good and carry on...
"i don't like fureigners but at least I don't punch them".

If you get rid of the punchy ones... then the soft one become the new worse and don't have much to hide behind...

[J.A.F.O]

I'd prefer there were no arrests made at these types of events. I'd rather have them made more open and publicized. Many Japanese I've met claim to detest types such as the Zaitokukai, but they're effectively saying pretty much the same things as politicians such as Abe, Aso and, even more overtly, Hashimoto and Ishihara -- all of who are among the cuntry's most popular elected officials. Based on my experiences, I suspect Zaitokukai is not too far away from the mindset of the average Japanese, but more prepared to be vociferous about their beliefs. Patterns in voting/opinion polls suggest my suspicions are pretty close to the mark. If that's the case, let us know instead of hiding behind a veneer of feigned enlightenment.

Japanese people really should show their true face -- both of them.

It's the unique culture of passive aggressiveness. The average Japanese detest the Zaitokukai because they are too straight forward with their FG hate instead of hating from the shadows like a civilized person should

This^
At least I can deal with the ones who hate me directly. I can even respect it to a degree. I am married with a bunch of kids and have lived here for about a decade. I have a few japanese "friends" but if I were single with 2 or 3 lemurs in each arm, I'm sure most of those nihonjin "friends" would turn on me in a heart beat.

That covert FG hate makes it hard to know who you can share a beer with.

[Samurai_Jerk]

I hate how the anti-racist side in this argument (essentially native Japanese speakers) are using Engrish/katakana to fight the anti-foreigners. It turns the words into euphemisms and distances them from the old geezers running the cuntry (Not that they'd do anything about it, but it's a weapon the establishment here uses <which is why Hashimoto was so angry that "comfort woman," a next-to-fucking meaningless term in English, is translated as sex slave, because thats' what the women were. It sounds less offensive, but it also detracts from the seriousness of the issue.)

The use of gairaigo for all things negative like DV and sekuhara turns them into a joke and is something that has always bothered me. It also reinforces the idea that societal ills originate with "them".

[Screwed-down Hairdo]

It also reinforces the idea that societal ills originate with "them".

And that's precisely the intent.
I've little doubt the anti-racist group are well-meaning. But it seems to me to be more of an effort by some Japanese aimed at displaying progressive, compassionate thought than any great concern for the targets of Japanese racism. This group does nothing to dispel that belief. Indeed, it seems to confirm it.

EDIT: (Incidentally, EVERY SINGLE crime story reported on TBS News as I typed this reply featured either a foreign suspect, or someone pretending to be a foreigner. TBS is supposed to be one of the more progressive networks.)

[matsuki]

I'd prefer there were no arrests made at these types of events. I'd rather have them made more open and publicized. Many Japanese I've met claim to detest types such as the Zaitokukai, but they're effectively saying pretty much the same things as politicians such as Abe, Aso and, even more overtly, Hashimoto and Ishihara -- all of who are among the cuntry's most popular elected officials. Based on my experiences, I suspect Zaitokukai is not too far away from the mindset of the average Japanese, but more prepared to be vociferous about their beliefs. Patterns in voting/opinion polls suggest my suspicions are pretty close to the mark. If that's the case, let us know instead of hiding behind a veneer of feigned enlightenment.

Japanese people really should show their true face -- both of them.

It's the unique culture of passive aggressiveness. The average Japanese detest the Zaitokukai because they are too straight forward with their FG hate instead of hating from the shadows like a civilized person should

This^
At least I can deal with the ones who hate me directly. I can even respect it to a degree. I am married with a bunch of kids and have lived here for about a decade. I have a few japanese "friends" but if I were single with 2 or 3 lemurs in each arm, I'm sure most of those nihonjin "friends" would turn on me in a heart beat.

That covert FG hate makes it hard to know who you can share a beer with.

All comes down to insecurity...if they didn't have such shitty confidence issues that they feel threatened by FG, they probably wouldn't have any hate. Instead there's a whole list anywhere from penis envy and "stealin' our women!" to creativity and "stealin' our jobs!" The minute you take away the threat (you're married so no stealing their potential flavors) they become sociable. It's not limited to FG though...most will not date/marry lemurs who make more than them or have more skills/international experience than them. Instead of stepping up and learning, they either want the lemur to come down to their level or write them off. (though that being said, the same probably applies to China and Korea too)

[J.A.F.O]

Thanks for the tip, My wife's obgyn is a single female (now I know why) and looks mighty fine (Merco Benz points). If the wife ever gets smart and kicks me to the curb I know where I'm heading.

[Coligny]

The use of gairaigo for all things negative like DV and sekuhara turns them into a joke and is something that has always bothered me. It also reinforces the idea that societal ills originate with "them".

TIME OUT:

what's garaigo ?

sekuhara ?

[Screwed-down Hairdo]

I'd prefer there were no arrests made at these types of events. I'd rather have them made more open and publicized. Many Japanese I've met claim to detest types such as the Zaitokukai, but they're effectively saying pretty much the same things as politicians such as Abe, Aso and, even more overtly, Hashimoto and Ishihara -- all of who are among the cuntry's most popular elected officials. Based on my experiences, I suspect Zaitokukai is not too far away from the mindset of the average Japanese, but more prepared to be vociferous about their beliefs. Patterns in voting/opinion polls suggest my suspicions are pretty close to the mark. If that's the case, let us know instead of hiding behind a veneer of feigned enlightenment.

Japanese people really should show their true face -- both of them.

It's the unique culture of passive aggressiveness. The average Japanese detest the Zaitokukai because they are too straight forward with their FG hate instead of hating from the shadows like a civilized person should

This^
At least I can deal with the ones who hate me directly. I can even respect it to a degree. I am married with a bunch of kids and have lived here for about a decade. I have a few japanese "friends" but if I were single with 2 or 3 lemurs in each arm, I'm sure most of those nihonjin "friends" would turn on me in a heart beat.

That covert FG hate makes it hard to know who you can share a beer with.

All comes down to insecurity...if they didn't have such shitty confidence issues that they feel threatened by FG, they probably wouldn't have any hate. Instead there's a whole list anywhere from penis envy and "stealin' our women!" to creativity and "stealin' our jobs!" The minute you take away the threat (you're married so no stealing their potential flavors) they become sociable. It's not limited to FG though...most will not date/marry lemurs who make more than them or have more skills/international experience than them. Instead of stepping up and learning, they either want the lemur to come down to their level or write them off. (though that being said, the same probably applies to China and Korea too)

Fear (the real word for insecurity) motivates most of us a lot of the time, so you're not wrong.
In Japan's case, a lot of the racism carries over from prewar indoctrination. And denial. Behavior the locals insist is typical of "we Japanese" displays ALL the classical traits of incurable addiction: dependence, denial, dishonesty, hypersensitivity to criticism, self-centeredness, aversion to change, avoidance of responsibility (or assigning it to others).

[J.A.F.O]

Fear (the real word for insecurity) motivates most of us a lot of the time, so you're not wrong.
In Japan's case, a lot of the racism carries over from prewar indoctrination. And denial. Behavior the locals insist is typical of "we Japanese" displays ALL the classical traits of incurable addiction: dependence, denial, dishonesty, hypersensitivity to criticism, self-centeredness, aversion to change, avoidance of responsibility (or assigning it to others).

Brother, I don't know about the japans here but I think you just did a reasonable character assessment of me.

[Samurai_Jerk]

The use of gairaigo for all things negative like DV and sekuhara turns them into a joke and is something that has always bothered me. It also reinforces the idea that societal ills originate with "them".

TIME OUT:

what's garaigo ?

sekuhara ?

Follow the link.

[matsuki]

Thanks for the tip, My wife's obgyn is a single female (now I know why) and looks mighty fine (Merco Benz points). If the wife ever gets smart and kicks me to the curb I know where I'm heading.

Just wait til Coligny gets the club established...monthly dues will go to McDee's catering at every meeting.

[Samurai_Jerk]

Thanks for the tip, My wife's obgyn is a single female (now I know why) and looks mighty fine (Merco Benz points). If the wife ever gets smart and kicks me to the curb I know where I'm heading.

Is she into fat, broke, white guys of questionable moral character?

[J.A.F.O]

Thanks for the tip, My wife's obgyn is a single female (now I know why) and looks mighty fine (Merco Benz points). If the wife ever gets smart and kicks me to the curb I know where I'm heading.

Is she into fat, broke, white guys of questionable moral character?

I guess that depends on whether you have penis envy or not, stole a good japunase job and willing to make her sink to your level ...

I think I qualify

[Coligny]

The use of gairaigo for all things negative like DV and sekuhara turns them into a joke and is something that has always bothered me. It also reinforces the idea that societal ills originate with "them".

TIME OUT:

what's garaigo ?

sekuhara ?

Follow the link.

Thanks bro,

fart1.jpg

You know where the coach is...

[Samurai_Jerk]

The use of gairaigo for all things negative like DV and sekuhara turns them into a joke and is something that has always bothered me. It also reinforces the idea that societal ills originate with "them".

TIME OUT:

what's garaigo ?

sekuhara ?

Follow the link.

Thanks bro,

fart1.jpg

You know where the coach is...

外来語

セクハラ

I'm really surprised you of all people doesn't know the second one.

[Coligny]

外来語

sooo that's the official name they give to the bastardized pidgin they use most of the time...