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Re: No Escape From The NHK Man?

Postby Coligny » Wed Jul 03, 2013 9:11 am

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wagyl wrote:And two responses: a business is not exempt from the license fee while a residence must pay it: both are liable. Unless the collection staff are separate for the two, I don't know how strategy 1 has any positive effect.


I don't claim to know that, but I know at two offices I had in two separate locations simply said, "Sorry, this is an office". I'm sure they took that as "we have no TV" and let it be.



Yup, business pay the fee too. And certainly more than households. I once got the nhk guy for me alone at the clinic when he came to check the number of TV. And the face he made when I told him it was deregistered as a business and was now only a house with one family was telling.
He had to give me the paperwork to fill for household registration, instead of business...
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Re: No Escape From The NHK Man?

Postby Samurai_Jerk » Wed Jul 03, 2013 11:16 am

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Samurai_Jerk wrote:One thing I've always wondered is what your obligation is if no one has ever come to your door to sign you up.

Mimicking the Health Insurance thread, your obligation is to pay, strictly speaking, whether or not NHK pay you a visit. That obligation has always been there, both moral* and legal, but without penalty for non-compliance, outside of contract law.

Up until now, the focus has been more on what happens if you have not contracted with NHK, which of course you are very unlikely to have ever done if they hadn't paid you a visit.

Following the link trail back from Russell's post, through three sites and two languages, leads to http://www3.nhk.or.jp/news/html/2013062 ... 11000.html which suggests that you are deemed to have entered into a contract with NHK irrespective of whether you have actually done anything which would have indicated that you entered into a contract, like sign or stamp with your hanko. However, all net discussion seems to return to this one report by NHK. I would be interested to see other sources.

* Of course, NHK have a moral, if not a legal, obligation to use license fees to fulfill their charter as a public broadcaster. Arguably, there are no penalties for non-compliance there either.


I get that you're supposed to be signed up but if no one has ever asked you to, how are you supposed to know?
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Re: No Escape From The NHK Man?

Postby wagyl » Wed Jul 03, 2013 12:25 pm

Samurai_Jerk wrote:I get that you're supposed to be signed up but if no one has ever asked you to, how are you supposed to know?

The same way that you know that you are meant to be signed up for health insurance and pension. If you are suggesting that one can claim that they don't know because other countries have different systems, the same can be said for those two items, or indeed for saying that nobody has told you that the default speed limit where no other is indicated is 60 Km/h, or that you must stop at a level crossing. I fail to see the difference here, but I am open to your explanation.

(Just to be clear, you will have no argument from me if you say that the system is loose, poorly administered from the point of view of making sure everyone is covered, and open to abuse. The same can be said for health insurance and the pension.)

The NHK report refers to repeated refusals to enter into a contract, and also refers to a date upon which it was confirmed that a television had been installed. I would guess that the first request to enter into a contract was made on the date that they confirmed the installation, so that doesn't answer the question is assume you are asking (whether NHK can ask you to reveal the date you first installed the television and claim backpayments from that date) definitively.
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Re: No Escape From The NHK Man?

Postby gaijinpunch » Wed Jul 03, 2013 1:25 pm

Yup, business pay the fee too. And certainly more than households.


Ones that have TVs. Can we assume that most places of business in Japan do not have TVs installed, and they would much more easily cease and desist when you say "this is an office" b/c of that?

Also, what denotes a TV? Something capable of receiving an NHK broadcast? Can't you just throw out your card that receives the signal and cry foul? It's a monitor, essentially, at that point. Just about any PC could easily have a hunter installed in it.
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Re: No Escape From The NHK Man?

Postby Coligny » Wed Jul 03, 2013 5:11 pm

Business with waiting rooms usually have tv ... Wonder if the city hall have to pay the NHL fee...
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Re: No Escape From The NHK Man?

Postby gaijinpunch » Thu Jul 04, 2013 3:23 am

Gonna go out on a limb and say < 1% if we're talking about any business.
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Re: No Escape From The NHK Man?

Postby Coligny » Thu Jul 04, 2013 9:59 am

gaijinpunch wrote:Gonna go out on a limb and say < 1% if we're talking about any business.


Not so sure, what about lunch room, night duty bedroom ?

I'm not a tv person, but when shit hit the fan, my first reflex is still to,turn it on... just receiving a broadcast being already considered as 'good news'.
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Re: No Escape From The NHK Man?

Postby chibaka » Fri Jul 05, 2013 8:04 am

How much does the NHK stealth tax cost anyway?

Only ever had one visit, many moons ago, GF at the time told NHK guy that I didn't understand the lingo and therefore tv was limited to videos and playstation. He seemed to accept that and off he went.
My J wife is of the opinion that NHK can fuck off, who am I to argue... :)
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Re: No Escape From The NHK Man?

Postby wagyl » Fri Jul 05, 2013 10:00 am

chibaka wrote:How much does the NHK stealth tax cost anyway?

I can't tell you from personal experience :cool2: but since your internet connection seems to block Google, link to NHK information in English, anonymised so that NHK don't have trackback info on their servers... you never know... :cool2: :cool2:
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Re: No Escape From The NHK Man?

Postby chibaka » Fri Jul 05, 2013 10:05 am

Haha, yes I suppose I could have asked Google, thanks for the link.
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Re: No Escape From The NHK Man?

Postby gaijinpunch » Fri Jul 05, 2013 10:41 am

Coligny wrote:my first reflex is still to,turn it on... just receiving a broadcast being already considered as 'good news'.


Well, I'm talking about ALL businesses... mom & pop shops (often run out fo the house) but plenty of small "omise" that have no room for jack shit... even their products. I used to teach many moons ago,and I don't recall seeing a TV in the waiting room of most of them. But, I assume some of them do, and would assume they'd pay.
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Re: No Escape From The NHK Man?

Postby Russell » Tue Jul 09, 2013 7:44 am

Not directly NHK related, but it goes to show that the other broadcasters are just as fucked.

Broadcasters ban Panasonic 'smart' TV commercial

Japanese broadcasters are refusing to air commercials for Panasonic’s new “smart” television, the manufacturer said, amid speculation they feel threatened by its combined TV-Internet function.

Private broadcasters—in a rare case of turning down a major advertiser—have said they will not show commercials for the product, claiming the split screen simultaneously showing broadcast content and web pages may confuse viewers, according to reports.

“IPTV, or smart television, is a new area of service, and we are in talks to create new rules for broadcasting,” Panasonic said in a statement. “We refrain from making further comments.”

Web users who have seen the commercial, available on video-sharing site YouTube, lashed out at broadcasters for an apparently quixotic attempt to protect their medium from competition.

“Terrestrial broadcasting is finished because it has failed to keep up with the trend,” said one posting underneath the video by Desuzo Otaku. “Forget it. We live in the time of the Internet.”

“LG, Samsung have already released similar televisions a long time ago, but they cannot bring them to Japan,” said another posting by tairaomote, referring to Panasonic’s South Korean rivals.

Japan has a lively and competitive broadcast scene and a thriving Internet culture.

However, despite a reputation for innovative wizardry, Japan is sometimes slow to adopt new forms of technology into mainstream use. Some major companies are criticised for not keeping up with changes in modes of consumption.

Rules on political campaigning that had banned the use of the Internet have only recently been relaxed ahead of the July 21 upper house election.


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Re: No Escape From The NHK Man?

Postby matsuki » Mon Jul 29, 2013 12:48 pm

NHK guy surprised me on Sat....Movie blaring in the background, phone call, I thought he was the Takyubin guy....

Surprisingly, the guy was really polite. Asked if I knew the law and NHK (yep yep!) Asked if I owned a TV (nope, just a computer monitor...watching streaming ENGLISH videos from gaikoku! Can you hear it?) Asked if it had a tuner. (nope!) Asked if I owned a cell phone (Sure do! it's an iPhone!) No pushing or even asking to come in and verify. Politely just said if I ever bought anything with a tuner to please notify them.
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Re: No Escape From The NHK Man?

Postby wagyl » Mon Jul 29, 2013 2:56 pm

chokonen888 wrote:NHK guy surprised me on Sat....Movie blaring in the background, phone call, I thought he was the Takyubin guy....

Surprisingly, the guy was really polite. Asked if I knew the law and NHK (yep yep!) Asked if I owned a TV (nope, just a computer monitor...watching streaming ENGLISH videos from gaikoku! Can you hear it?) Asked if it had a tuner. (nope!) Asked if I owned a cell phone (Sure do! it's an iPhone!) No pushing or even asking to come in and verify. Politely just said if I ever bought anything with a tuner to please notify them.


So that 外 you scrawled on your door jamb worked!
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Re: No Escape From The NHK Man?

Postby matsuki » Mon Jul 29, 2013 3:32 pm

Not yet...he might not have even tried me if I had done that.
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Re: No Escape From The NHK Man?

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Re: No Escape From The NHK Man?

Postby Screwed-down Hairdo » Tue Jul 30, 2013 6:37 pm

Didn't CJ also work for NHK?
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Re: No Escape From The NHK Man?

Postby wagyl » Tue Jul 30, 2013 6:54 pm

How else do you think he could afford to sacrifice his career so completely, except by having stashed away the fat from the NHK years? Traditional Japanese houses in Setagaya with a bath and room for a couple of dogs don't come cheap.
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Re: No Escape From The NHK Man?

Postby GomiGirl » Tue Jul 30, 2013 7:04 pm

wagyl wrote:How else do you think he could afford to sacrifice his career so completely, except by having stashed away the fat from the NHK years? Traditional Japanese houses in Setagaya with a bath and room for a couple of dogs don't come cheap.


Isn't the house etc his girlfriend's - the semi successful musician?

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Re: No Escape From The NHK Man?

Postby Coligny » Tue Jul 30, 2013 8:13 pm

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Whut that mean ?
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Re: No Escape From The NHK Man?

Postby Coligny » Tue Jul 30, 2013 8:15 pm

chokonen888 wrote:NHK guy surprised me on Sat....Movie blaring in the background, phone call, I thought he was the Takyubin guy....

Surprisingly, the guy was really polite. Asked if I knew the law and NHK (yep yep!) Asked if I owned a TV (nope, just a computer monitor...watching streaming ENGLISH videos from gaikoku! Can you hear it?) Asked if it had a tuner. (nope!) Asked if I owned a cell phone (Sure do! it's an iPhone!) No pushing or even asking to come in and verify. Politely just said if I ever bought anything with a tuner to please notify them.


He knows you're a hardened criminul who have done jail time and is not afraid to go back there...
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Re: No Escape From The NHK Man?

Postby Yokohammer » Tue Jul 30, 2013 8:18 pm

Coligny wrote:
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Whut that mean ?

NHK employees earn an average of 17,800,000 yen per year! The highest salaries in Japan!
Four times the average for Japan's citizens! The salary of four normal people!

(Why do I have a strange premonition that we're going to end up back in the "Coligny needs to learn Japanese" thread?)
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Re: No Escape From The NHK Man?

Postby Russell » Wed Jul 31, 2013 8:46 pm

Is there nobody yet who has remarked that those NHK guys really deserve their wages, because they work at least four times as hard as the average Kokumin?!?
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Re: No Escape From The NHK Man?

Postby Coligny » Wed Jul 31, 2013 9:00 pm

Yokohammer wrote:(Why do I have a strange premonition that we're going to end up back in the "Coligny needs to learn Japanese" thread?)


Because a "where can I get one of those jobs" thread would be much more interesting.... duh...
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Re: No Escape From The NHK Man?

Postby yanpa » Thu Aug 01, 2013 1:36 am

I've managed half-a-decade so far without contributing to the salaries of the Shibuya basement staffers (including the last 6 months with an antenna on the roof visible from a public street), but when the inevitable happens I'll grudgingly pay up because if nothing else they have their act together when it comes to informing about major catastrophes in progress.



(Clue: the channel on the top left is broadcasting tsunami warnings in 4 foreign languages while all the other stations are still broadcasting ads or angling documentaries and scrabbling for hard hats for their newscasters. I'll give Fuji TV their due - just over 3 minutes after the earthquake struck they manage a fleeting shot of a dramatically swaying but empty news studio before switching back to some dorama for another 60 seconds).
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Re: No Escape From The NHK Man?

Postby wagyl » Thu Aug 01, 2013 10:45 am

An excellent document, yanpa! It sums up the experience of television in Japan beautifully. I am now nostalgic for analog broadcast nag subtitles. And, way to go, テレ東! The light entertainment option, whatever the situation!

That Fuji drama was not just a drama, it was a creepy drama! Interspersed with commercials featuring multiracial bunny rabbits.
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Re: No Escape From The NHK Man?

Postby GomiGirl » Thu Aug 01, 2013 1:48 pm

I do not watch TV but the times I have tried I have not understood how to get rid of that horrible notice on NHK. Is this because they know I don't pay?

Also, is there a short list/cheat sheet of the TV stations and their channel numbers? I am too lazy busy to google it or my google is broken or something else lame.
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Re: No Escape From The NHK Man?

Postby Taro Toporific » Thu Aug 01, 2013 1:57 pm

GomiGirl wrote: is there a short list/cheat sheet of the TV stations and their channel numbers? I am too lazy busy to google it or my google is broken or something else lame.


http://metropolis.co.jp/multimedia/

Kanto Channel Guide

1=NHK
2=NHK Educational
4=NTV
5=TV Asahi
6=TBS
8=Fuji TV
7=TV Tokyo
BS1=BS1
BS3=BS Premium
BS4=BS NTV
BS5=BS Asahi
BS6=BS TBS
BS7=BS Japan
BS8=BS Fuji
BS9=Wowow
BS11=BS11
BS12=TwellV
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Re: No Escape From The NHK Man?

Postby yanpa » Thu Aug 01, 2013 1:59 pm

That list confirms my suspicion that the majority of TV channels are BS.
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Re: No Escape From The NHK Man?

Postby GomiGirl » Thu Aug 01, 2013 2:05 pm

I know all of that but I don't know the difference between the stations - what they "specialise" in or their target programming etc.

Plus isn't there a fox238 or something now?

I end up trying to figure it out by surfing but then give up and put on Hulu or Hikari. I guess I only have time for 1 show a day so I don't deviate into terrestrial tv much as it is so hit and miss.
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