Fukushima is super terrific, just ask the gaijin

[Coligny]

Two year to be certain... And i though me bitch was taking too much time matching her clothes...

[Russell]

Foreign nuclear experts blast TEPCO over lack of transparency

Foreign nuclear experts on Friday blasted the operator of the crippled Fukushima nuclear plant, with one saying its lack of transparency over radioactive water leaks showed “you don’t know what you’re doing”.

The blunt criticism comes after a litany of problems at the reactor site, which was swamped by a tsunami two years ago. The disaster sent reactors into meltdown and forced the evacuation of tens of thousands of residents in the worst atomic accident in a generation.

Earlier this week, Tokyo Electric Power (TEPCO) admitted for the first time that radioactive groundwater had leaked outside the shattered plant, confirming long-held suspicions of ocean contamination.

“This action regarding the water contamination demonstrates a lack of conservative decision-making process,” Dale Klein, former head of the U.S. Nuclear Regulatory Commission (NRC), told a panel in Tokyo.

“It also appears that you are not keeping the people of Japan informed. These actions indicate that you don’t know what you are doing… you do not have a plan and that you are not doing all you can to protect the environment and the people.”

Klein is part of a TEPCO-sponsored nuclear reform monitoring panel composed of two foreign experts and four Japanese including the company’s chairman.

The utility previously reported rising levels of potentially cancer-causing materials in groundwater samples from underneath the plant, but maintained it had contained toxic water from leaking beyond its borders.

The embattled company—which faces massive clean-up and compensation costs—has now admitted it delayed the release of test results that confirmed the leaks, as Japan’s nuclear watchdog heaped doubt on its claims.

“We would like to express our frustrations in your recent activities regarding the water contamination,” Klein said. “These events detract from the progress that you have made on your clean-up and reform for the Fukushima plant.”

Responding to reporters’ questions, Klein dismissed suggestions of a company cover-up, and said that TEPCO had a “good plan” to clean up the site, but they were “waiting way too long before communicating with the public”.

“As soon as the issue is identified they need say what they know (and) what they don’t know,” he added.

Earlier, Barbara Judge, chairman emeritus of Britain’s Atomic Energy Authority, said she was “disappointed and distressed” over the company’s lack of disclosure.

“I hope that there will be lessons learned from the mishandling of this issue and the next time an issue arises—which inevitably it will because decommissioning is a complicated and difficult process—that the public will be immediately informed about the situation and what TEPCO is planning to do in order to remedy it,” she said.

Judge told the press briefing that corporate culture was largely to blame.

“Like in many other companies, there was a culture of efficiency and closeness… privately working out problems until they thought they were ready to discuss them,” she said, adding that the panel was trying to usher in a “culture of safety before efficiency”.

Decommissioning the site is expected to take decades and many area residents will likely never be able to return home, experts say.

[Taro Toporific]

Damn. If this shit continues, I moving to the Rice Ranch in Shikoku.

Radiation in water leakage at Fukushima plant as high as 2011 crisis
Kyodo / 27 July 2013
Tokyo Electric Power Co. said Saturday it has detected 2.35 billion becquerels of cesium per liter from water in an underground passage at the crippled Fukushima Daiichi nuclear power plant that is seeping into the sea, roughly the same level as seen in a contaminated water leak into the sea in April 2011 shortly after the nuclear disaster the preceding month.
The water sample taken Friday from a trench contained 750 million becquerels of cesium-134 and 1.6 billion becquerels of cesium-137 per liter, while 750 million becquerels of other radioactive substances were detected...more...

[Coligny]

Do they need an obgyn ?

Serious question...

[matsuki]

Just had a lemur txt me she just got back from vacation in Fukushima. I asked her why Fukushima?

"They had a cute cottage and allowed pets! I brought my doggie with me! You're not worried about radioactivity are you?"

[Yokohammer]

Just had a lemur txt me she just got back from vacation in Fukushima. I asked her why Fukushima?

"They had a cute cottage and allowed pets! I brought my doggie with me! You're not worried about radioactivity are you?"

Sounds like "Regina no Mori" (Lake Hattori).

If so, it is a really nice pet-friendly resort. And the radiation levels there are not particularly high (I was there in late 2011, maybe 6 months after the disaster, with my trusty lithe geiger counter).

I bothered to respond to this because, once again, it's a statement that implies that all of Fukushima is an uninhabitable radioactive wasteland and that anyone who goes there is foolish. Not true.

[matsuki]

Just had a lemur txt me she just got back from vacation in Fukushima. I asked her why Fukushima?

"They had a cute cottage and allowed pets! I brought my doggie with me! You're not worried about radioactivity are you?"

Sounds like "Regina no Mori" (Lake Hattori).

If so, it is a really nice pet-friendly resort. And the radiation levels there are not particularly high (I was there in late 2011, maybe 6 months after the disaster, with my trusty lithe geiger counter).

I bothered to respond to this because, once again, it's a statement that implies that all of Fukushima is an uninhabitable radioactive wasteland and that anyone who goes there is foolish. Not true.

I'm not trying to be irrational...if that's where she went, good to hear the levels aren't high there. I'd still be worried about the local produce/water after all the debacles since 2011. Problem is the data just isn't readily available so unless you have a geiger counter, you're basically just trusting everything to be safe. Being just on the edge before the readings get worrisome, I still wouldn't go there...

[wagyl]

Even on your linked illustration with fat dots for readings, two thirds of the area of Fukushima is no different from where you are in Tokyo. And if it is Regina no Mori, that is really just over the border from Tochigi. Personally, I would be more concerned about what is in all the dogshit there.

[Yokohammer]

Just had a lemur txt me she just got back from vacation in Fukushima. I asked her why Fukushima?

"They had a cute cottage and allowed pets! I brought my doggie with me! You're not worried about radioactivity are you?"

Sounds like "Regina no Mori" (Lake Hattori).

If so, it is a really nice pet-friendly resort. And the radiation levels there are not particularly high (I was there in late 2011, maybe 6 months after the disaster, with my trusty lithe geiger counter).

I bothered to respond to this because, once again, it's a statement that implies that all of Fukushima is an uninhabitable radioactive wasteland and that anyone who goes there is foolish. Not true.

I'm not trying to be irrational...if that's where she went, good to hear the levels aren't high there. I'd still be worried about the local produce/water after all the debacles since 2011. Problem is the data just isn't readily available so unless you have a geiger counter, you're basically just trusting everything to be safe. Being just on the edge before the readings get worrisome, I still wouldn't go there...

Maybe you're not trying to be irrational, but you're succeeding.

We've been over this time and time again ... but just one more time: If you want to avoid radiation from the Fukushima fuggup the only choice you have is to leave Japan! And even that might not be enough. I'm not trying to be snarky or facetious, that's just a fact. Radiation does not respect borders. Not crossing the border into Fukushima does not protect you. You have already been exposed to some of it in Tokyo, I guarantee you. You will be exposed to more, one way or another. You would have been exposed to some of it if you had stayed in California. The question is, how much is too much?

What I dislike about "stay away from Fukushima" comments is that not only are they uninformed and lazy, but they are unfair and damaging to people who live and work in the region. They are just another form of prejudice that thrives on ignorance and knee jerks.

[Screwed-down Hairdo]

Personally, I would be more concerned about what is in all the dogshit there.

Isn't that Paris?

[matsuki]

Maybe you're not trying to be irrational, but you're succeeding.

We've been over this time and time again ... but just one more time: If you want to avoid radiation from the Fukushima fuggup the only choice you have is to leave Japan! And even that might not be enough. I'm not trying to be snarky or facetious, that's just a fact. Radiation does not respect borders. Not crossing the border into Fukushima does not protect you. You have already been exposed to some of it in Tokyo, I guarantee you. You will be exposed to more, one way or another. You would have been exposed to some of it if you had stayed in California. The question is, how much is too much?

What I dislike about "stay away from Fukushima" comments is that not only are they uninformed and lazy, but they are unfair and damaging to people who live and work in the region. They are just another form of prejudice that thrives on ignorance and knee jerks.

Ehhh Yoko, how is it irrational to avoid a region with higher radiation levels than where I currently reside? As you said yourself, "The question is, how much is too much?" With the lack of info, debacles, and the weekly "it's worse than originally thought" reports coming out, isn't it pretty common sense to avoid the general area? Sure some places, like that resort, may appear relatively safe but then again, they keep finding high concentrations of radioactivity in places that were thought to be relatively safe or "cleaned." While that may suck for the residents of those areas, it doesn't seem too unreasonable to error on the safe side. If you want to call me lazy for not carrying a Geiger counter to check the levels myself, guilty as charged...but as I said before, the information isn't readily available. If I owned that resort, a daily/weekly radiation level reading on the front page of the website would be top priority.

I can tell you're frustrated but rather than direct it at the reactions of people, why not look at why they are reacting the way they are. If anything here is irrational, it's that in 2013, the J-gov and Tepco's inability to be transparent and handle the situation in a way that would inspire some confidence in the region. Open and honest about conditions like this vs. delayed announcements and coverups.. Highway sign mounted Geiger counter array? Mount Geiger counters on gov vehicles with GPS units and create a relatively live map? These types of things are very realistic, quick to deploy, and relatively inexpensive when compared to what the region is probably losing by not having them.

[Coligny]

What I dislike about "stay away from Fukushima" comments is that not only are they uninformed and lazy, but they are unfair and damaging to people who live and work in the region. They are just another form of prejudice that thrives on ignorance and knee jerks.

Big part of Fukushima have been polluted. No honest official mapping have been done. going there is like walking in a dark room full of dog shit. maybe you won't step on it, maybe you will.
Principle of precaution dictate to just 'not go there' unless it's inescapably needed. end of story.
once again, industrial pollution do not have legal protection rights like people who are innocent until proven guilty or should have acces to a lawyer.
Whatever the spill/threat, it's guilty until proven safe at level equal to those previously recorded before the event.

It's not prejudice, it's not kneejerking, it just basic reaction to authorities that have shown as much incompetence as willingness to lie and cover up. Sucks for the people living there, maybe next time they'll pay mor attention to that whole democracy/election process. meaanwhile... Suck it up like big boys and stop whinning.

[Yokohammer]

Ehhh Yoko, how is it irrational to avoid a region with higher radiation levels than where I currently reside?

It's irrational because it isn't true, and you should know that by now.

Look at what you just said: "a region with higher radiation levels than where I currently reside."

Do you know that for a fact? You are saying that a "region," and you are naming that region as "Fukushima," has higher radiation levels than where you reside. That is what I mean by uninformed and lazy.

Just because the accident occurred in Fukushima does not mean that there's a nice clean concentric-circle spread of radiation from the origin outward. There are places in Fukushima that have high levels of radiation. There are also places in Fukushima where the radiation levels are no higher, or not much higher, than Tokyo. There are places in the Kanto region where the radiation is higher than it is in parts of Fukushima. The fish/meat/vegetables on the plate in front of you might have higher radiation that some places in Fukushima that are considered dangerous. But you ignore all of that and simply imply that "Fukushima is dangerous."

Talking without thinking is dangerous.

Sorry to be harsh, but I really hate it when people throw half-baked arguments around to justify that kind of prejudice.

[matsuki]

Do you know that for a fact?

Yoko....this is my overall point, I don't know and neither does anyone else. It's closer to ground zero so pretty logical to avoid going any closer for a vacation...

[wagyl]

Do you know that for a fact?

Yoko....this is my overall point, I don't know and neither does anyone else. It's closer to ground zero so pretty logical to avoid going any closer for a vacation...

And Hammer's point , If I may presume to speak for him, is that if you do not know, is it reasonable to draw a line on a map based on limits of political power during the Warring States Period*? What makes Tokyo safe in your thinking?

* Reference to the origin of the boundary line between Fukushima and Kanto, if that was too obscure for anyone.

[matsuki]

I'm not saying that the radiation just stops at the Fukushima border, just that I'd rather not go any closer to the nuclear plants general direction than necessary.

[omae mona]

I'm not saying that the radiation just stops at the Fukushima border, just that I'd rather not go any closer to the nuclear plants general direction than necessary.

I can almost guarantee you've already done at least 10 unnecessary things in the last week that have raised your chances of getting cancer way more than "going in the general direction of Fukushima". And you did them all knowingly, and without hesitating. Examples: you walked outside in the sun when you could have stayed inside. You stood near people smoking cigarettes when you could have stood farther away. Etc.

[matsuki]

I'm not saying that the radiation just stops at the Fukushima border, just that I'd rather not go any closer to the nuclear plants general direction than necessary.

I can almost guarantee you've already done at least 10 unnecessary things in the last week that have raised your chances of getting cancer way more than "going in the general direction of Fukushima". And you did them all knowingly, and without hesitating. Examples: you walked outside in the sun when you could have stayed inside. You stood near people smoking cigarettes when you could have stood farther away. Etc.

Probably.....but why compound them even more? I get what Yoko is saying regarding the dangerous areas not being defined by prefecture borders but in the current state, why go anywhere near there at all?

[omae mona]

I'm not saying that the radiation just stops at the Fukushima border, just that I'd rather not go any closer to the nuclear plants general direction than necessary.

I can almost guarantee you've already done at least 10 unnecessary things in the last week that have raised your chances of getting cancer way more than "going in the general direction of Fukushima". And you did them all knowingly, and without hesitating. Examples: you walked outside in the sun when you could have stayed inside. You stood near people smoking cigarettes when you could have stood farther away. Etc.

Probably.....but why compound them even more? I get what Yoko is saying regarding the dangerous areas not being defined by prefecture borders but in the current state, why go anywhere near there at all?

I think your friend already answered that when she said "They had a cute cottage and allowed pets".

Saying "don't go there because of the risk of getting cancer" is completely irrational if you're not also saying things like "don't go to that really cool bar with a great selection of craft beers because there's a guy in there smoking a cigarette". The bar's definitely worse for your health (and I am not even including the effect of the drink! )

[matsuki]

I give up...I didn't really mean to come off preachy or tell anyone else what they should or shouldn't be doing. I'm not avoiding driving through there nor do I think going there once is going to give me cancer but when it comes to vacationing, I'm avoiding the area. Call it lazy or irrational but it's just what I'm doing.

[omae mona]

I give up...I didn't really mean to come off preachy or tell anyone else what they should or shouldn't be doing. I'm not avoiding driving through there nor do I think going there once is going to give me cancer but when it comes to vacationing, I'm avoiding the area. Call it lazy or irrational but it's just what I'm doing.

Choko, that's what our brains are programmed to do. There are good books about this. Use a word that sets off an emotional reaction ("radiation", "Fukushima", etc.) and our fight-or-flight response kicks in. Even smart, highly educated people set aside logic, probability, math, and science they learned, and go with their gut feeling instead. Not abnormal, and you're not lazy.

As long as you don't accuse me, Hammer, and wagyl of attempting genocide by posting "it's OK to go to most parts of Fukushima", I strongly support you in your personal decision to stay away from Fukushima.

[wagyl]

Yes, I have sympathy. It is easy for there to be fear because this is something we cannot see, taste, smell, hear or feel. Which is why we were all feverishly engaged in learning the basics of this in March 2011. And working from that basic knowledge, we should know that there is no such thing as zero radiation anywhere. I fully understand wanting to avoid unnecessary increased risks, but that should be put into perspective against the risks of that return flight across the Pacific, or that banana for breakfast, or that handful of brazil nuts (my God, he is eating it!), never mind the uranium content of the granite in the Capitol building in Washington DC.

I also have sympathy for those acting to prevent the name Fukushima being used as shorthand and in that way creating a pariah region, and condemning more of the residents than necessary.

[Coligny]

Let me sumup this clusterfuck:
We still don't know what happened in the containement unit
Nobody as a clue of what is leaking and where
The airborn spread of radioactive material (and i'm not talking aboot fucking bananas like some retard like to pete and repeat)
No proper assessment of the extend and level of toxicity of the released pollutant has been made.
No proper evacuation of population has been done for cost reason.
The minimum zone evacuated are being slowly reopened.
0 efficient cleanup russian style showering of the most potentially radioactive zone has been made.
containement has yet to be build.
A big part of the pollution is still dumped at unknown rate int the ocean.
And 2 years after we are still facing complete imbecile that either cry because we tarnish the name of fukushima that should litterally have been for most part turned into a glass parking lot. Or even bigger pompous cretins that have for only argument to ridiculise those that still believe in safety protocol and respect of the rule for public health and safety as being scared because they can't see the radiation with naked eyes. (Insert again banana bullshit reference her)

just missing that cock scuking damn name and the circus is ready to go on tour.

For fuck sake, luckilly you are just a bunch of morons behind keyboards and not in charge of anything, or we'd be in even bigger shit than as of now. Next time an oil tanker spill on a beach, go and lick that shit, after all, it's oil, lile olive oil, can't be that dangerous eh !

Fukushima, like pripyat and tchernobyl, are now a tarnished name... Not happy with it... You shoul have campained againstmtepco way before this mess instead of keeping your head stuck up your asses wearing them like hats

And stop with the fuckng atlantic flight, banana potassium and other "ermargerd radiashiun is everywhere" It's like saying that you can drink the oil from you engine because there is also oil in the seaaonning of your salad.

aND stop with that fucking superiority complex of reducing anyone upset by the mismanagement of this clusterfuck as being "scarred" People can be equally driven to murder impulse by a mechanic hammering a stuck bolt or a team of clueless imbecile bungling in the most pathetic way a crisis management.

[wagyl]

Well, maybe stating my opinions civilly is a sign of pomposity, but I feel compelled to ask: are you safe in Aichi?

[omae mona]

For fuck sake, luckilly you are just a bunch of morons behind keyboards and not in charge of anything, or we'd be in even bigger shit than as of now. Next time an oil tanker spill on a beach, go and lick that shit, after all, it's oil, lile olive oil, can't be that dangerous eh !

We're morons behind keyboards who happen to agree with every scientific and health expert with relevant knowledge. You're a moron behind the keyboard making up paranoid fantasies and claiming you know more than all the experts (or were you claiming it's all a conspiracy theory conducted by a vast global network of scientists who don't have any apparent reason to lie so they must be getting secretly paid off by the nuclear industry? I can't remember your excuse at this point). It's the same as your constant schtick on every single thread on this forum. You're smarter and more ethical than all the pros, all those folks with PhDs who spent years studying this stuff, right?

Let's be clear. Why don't you tell us what you've been right about so far, since 3/11, regarding impact on regular citizens' health? You've had almost 2.5 years to prove your point. Shall we review what you've been saying and what has actually played out so far? (unfortunately I suspect some of the biggest turds were wiped out during the FG forum rebirth and transition)

aND stop with that fucking superiority complex of reducing anyone upset by the mismanagement of this clusterfuck as being "scarred" People can be equally driven to murder impulse by a mechanic hammering a stuck bolt or a team of clueless imbecile bungling in the most pathetic way a crisis management.

The fact that you still have the "mismanagement of this clusterfuck" conflated in your head with whether all of Fukushima is radioactive or not is exactly the point. You're fucking scared. Nobody is claiming it wasn't mismanaged, and nobody is claiming you shouldn't be upset. I think it was mismanaged. I am upset. But I don't think science turns into an evil magic spell because of it. The radiation, and its effect on people's health, is what it is (namely, a non-issue) , no matter how badly TEPCO and the government fucked everything up. You're very confused. All the "facts" in your message above about nothing having been checked properly are just your paranoid fantasies, not backed up by anything except that you think you are a better person than everybody in the government.

[Coligny]

Wind blowing west to east: 0.11 micro sievert / hr (bunker a-b-g) 0.09 ms/hr (whip, g)
Wind blowing east to west: 0.26 ms/h (bunker a-b-g) 0.16 to 20 ms/hr (whip g)

Do i ermargerd panic ? No... Sorry to wreck the boner of few here who will have to find better to fuel their superiority complex.

Do i find this normal... Not even remotely, everytime some wind blow from fukushima, some shit hitch a ride... Does it says 'ermargerd must evacuamated Toyohashi" ?
No
Does it say "those assholes have jack shit under control" : quite certainly.

There is a gigantic distance between "panicking" because of an industrial accident and, for those close to the field of health and safety being pissed of to the limit of murder by the total irresponsability in the management of the event only to be aggravated by mouth breathing retard totally unable to put themselveves in the proper stratum required to understand the needs required to act not necessarily or directly on the event itself, but to prepare and organise the proper level of protection that might be needed for the population that could be the most at risk.
One of the pre-step being to establish clearly that not a single fuck have to be given to protect any random shithole from taking the generic name for the event concerned.
Laugh as much as you want, but for the french community, organising bug out flight in the first few days was, considering the unknown that shit fest could become a litteral textbook example of what to do to assure civilian protection in front of a developping threat showing no sign whatsoever of control or containement.

in first world countries, if you don't know how badly the shit will spread after hitting the fan, you do the maximum possible to protect the populatiom
In third world countries, well... Just look what japan did, let's wait and see, as longas the street don't line up with cadaver or the dead start walking again they have the best plausible deniability... The clock is playing for them...

As for the shameless stupidity of saying that you do things much more dangerous uptieen times a days by yourself: 1- the goal is usually NoT to get get doing so and 2-you do it on you own term. That 's one of the difference between suicide and murder but there's millions of other example that can even be written in short simple words so that everybody can try to understand the concepts.

[Coligny]

We're morons behind keyboards who happen to agree with every scientific and health expert with relevant knowledge. You're a moron behind the keyboard making up paranoid fantasies and claiming you know more than all the experts (or were you claiming it's all a conspiracy theory conducted by a vast global network of scientists who don't have any apparent reason to lie so they must be getting secretly paid off by the nuclear industry? I can't remember your excuse at this point). It's the same as your constant schtick on every single thread on this forum. You're smarter and more ethical than all the pros, all those folks with PhDs who spent years studying this stuff, right?

You have a lot of phd claiming that spills from the fuel of a nuclear reactor gone tits up is a non problem ?

Let's be clear. Why don't you tell us what you've been right about so far, since 3/11, regarding impact on regular citizens' health? You've had almost 2.5 years to prove your point. Shall we review what you've been saying and what has actually played out so far? (unfortunately I suspect some of the biggest turds were wiped out during the FG forum rebirth and transition)

2-3 years is a to short timespan to start seeing stats , which is awesome for people like you since after you can switch to the motto "can't prove the link, to much time passed
And also 2.5 years is 2 years longer than it took to the Soviet Union to get their shit straight, under control and build strong enough to still work 30 years later.

aND stop with that fucking superiority complex of reducing anyone upset by the mismanagement of this clusterfuck as being "scarred" People can be equally driven to murder impulse by a mechanic hammering a stuck bolt or a team of clueless imbecile bungling in the most pathetic way a crisis management.

The fact that you still have the "mismanagement of this clusterfuck" conflated in your head with whether all of Fukushima is radioactive or not is exactly the point. You're fucking scared.(1) Nobody is claiming it wasn't mismanaged, and nobody is claiming you shouldn't be upset. I think it was mismanaged. I am upset. But I don't think science turns into an evil magic spell because of it. The radiation, and its effect on people's health, is what it is (namely, a non-issue) (2), no matter how badly TEPCO and the government fucked everything up. You're very confused. All the "facts" in your message above about nothing having been checked properly are just your paranoid fantasies,(3) not backed up by anything except that you think you are a better person than everybody in the government.(4)

(1) of what ? Serioulsy... That's all you got ? Scared by fucking what ? I'm not stuck in Japan, if I was scared i would pack my shit buy a house somewhere in europe and be 2 or 3 calls away from a
Having a job back... So tell me how am i scared ? Maybe it can be made into a hollywood movie, they love cinematic turds these days

(2) this people is what happen when you snort too much pipe cleaner, radioactive material expellent from an uncontrolled reactor is now classified as "non issue" I sincerly doubt that you are trying to have a debate, but just dropping as much turd as possible until the point were a black sabbath album played in reverse come up with better argumentation that you on this topic...

(3)and this people is when the village idiot ran out of bullshit, tpco admit that they don't know much abootwhat's going on in reactor 3, the current leaks in the ocean are mostly a mystery. The governement has done 0 mapping survey of the level of radiation in habited area arounf the plant, and most of the public radioactity meter station installed in public place are eiter hidden or shielded enough to certainly be unable to detect a nuclear blast in the neighbougrhood.

(4) try to counter argue on the fact instead,,, you might even manage to impress someone someday...

AND I M THE ONE HAVING PROBLEM WITH REALITY ? I M THE ONE IN DENIAL ? FUCK BEANS, I DON T EVEN KNOW IF THEIRE IS A WORD TO DESCRIBE YOUR PATHOLOGY...

Also, none of the debate has been lost from the fg transition, including my message stating tnat we don't know if the tsunami is the bad partof the even orifit's only the beginning of a much bigger problem...

As of today, the fukushima nukular disaster has been handled with less care than an oil spill at see that would be described thanks to imbeciles of your caliber as not worse than an barrel of olive oil spill since after all, phd will tell you that oil is oil anyway...

[Screwed-down Hairdo]

Radioactive or not, the widespread perception of Fuckushima is that it's a dangerous place to be. Whether that's a correct perception is irrelevant. It's undeniably the perception of many, who will avoid the place. Those in authority saying Fuckushima is safe may well be right, but their credibility is so damaged by all their lying, incompetency and concealment that few believe them even when they are speaking the truth.

People also tend to forget that before the disasters Fuckushima was a depressed, rusting, struggling shithole that few people wanted to visit.

[yanpa]

People also tend to forget that before the disasters Fuckushima was a depressed, rusting, struggling shithole that few people wanted to visit.

I take it you are talking about Fukushima the city, not Fukushima the large prefecture with some reasonably scenic mountainous bits far far away from Fukushima the ruined, leaking nuclear plant?

[yanpa]

Just had a lemur txt me she just got back from vacation in Fukushima. I asked her why Fukushima?

"They had a cute cottage and allowed pets! I brought my doggie with me! You're not worried about radioactivity are you?"

Sounds like "Regina no Mori" (Lake Hattori).

For the curious: http://www.reginaforest.com/ ( map ).

Now if only Choko's lemur had done the sensible thing and visited e.g. Nasu Animal Kingdom in Tochigi...