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Postby Kanchou » Fri Jan 10, 2014 5:28 pm

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/01/10/busin ... .html?_r=0

(Miniscule minority of) Japanese Begin to Question Protections Given to Homegrown Rice
...while the farmers scream bloody murder against TPP and modernization.

AGA, Japan — For decades, Japan has defended its 778 percent tariffs on rice with a kind of religious zeal. Rice is a sacred crop, the government has argued, not open to trade negotiations. Its farmers are not just defenders of a proud agrarian heritage, but form the nation’s spiritual center as well.

Hardly, says Hiromitsu Konsho, a young organic rice farmer in this rice-growing region of Niigata. Many Japanese farmers have all but given up on their tiny plots, he says. They earn most of their income elsewhere, farming only part time and paying little attention to improving their crops....


I know someone who has his own field, and it's maybe two weeks of work a year for thousands of dollars of income, not even including the subsidies.
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Postby matsuki » Fri Jan 10, 2014 6:15 pm

I should sooo farm some rice at the temple....

(There are "STOP TPP!!!" signs all over Niigata)
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Postby Coligny » Fri Jan 10, 2014 6:54 pm

chokonen888 wrote:I should sooo farm some rice at the temple....

(There are "STOP TPP!!!" signs all over Niigata)


Where would you find illegal Mexicans to do zee job !?
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Postby matsuki » Fri Jan 10, 2014 7:15 pm

Coligny wrote:
chokonen888 wrote:I should sooo farm some rice at the temple....

(There are "STOP TPP!!!" signs all over Niigata)


Where would you find illegal Mexicans to do zee job !?


North Korea is just a quick boat ride away. They'd probably work for peanuts anything edible.
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Postby wuchan » Fri Jan 10, 2014 7:16 pm

Kanchou wrote:http://www.nytimes.com/2014/01/10/business/international/japanese-begin-to-question-rices-sacred-place.html?_r=0

(Miniscule minority of) Japanese Begin to Question Protections Given to Homegrown Rice
...while the farmers scream bloody murder against TPP and modernization.

AGA, Japan — For decades, Japan has defended its 778 percent tariffs on rice with a kind of religious zeal. Rice is a sacred crop, the government has argued, not open to trade negotiations. Its farmers are not just defenders of a proud agrarian heritage, but form the nation’s spiritual center as well.

Hardly, says Hiromitsu Konsho, a young organic rice farmer in this rice-growing region of Niigata. Many Japanese farmers have all but given up on their tiny plots, he says. They earn most of their income elsewhere, farming only part time and paying little attention to improving their crops....


I know someone who has his own field, and it's maybe two weeks of work a year for thousands of dollars of income, not even including the subsidies.



A bit more than " two weeks ".

my schedule:
Feb: till fields (two days work)
March: till again (two more days)
April: chem fert, wait one week, till fields. (chem two days, till two)
May: Work begins. Clean and prep all equipment. Prep and seed trays, place into incubator. Wait two weeks, remove trays and place in a field under a tarp. (12 or more days of work not counting the waiting)
June: Plant one to two fields a week. (one day per field)
July: weed and pest controll. (three hours, three days a week) Daily water controll.
August: Same as July
September: Begin harvest. One to two fields a week. (one day harvest, three days drying, one day processing. two FULL days of work) this goes for six to eight weeks.
November: BURN SHIT!!!!!!

December - Jan.: snowboarding, drinking, eating...

So, that's about 30 days of actual "work" but from May until November someone has to be here to turn the water on and off every day for the well fed organic fields.
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Postby matsuki » Fri Jan 10, 2014 7:20 pm

wuchan wrote:So, that's about 30 days of actual "work" but from May until November someone has to be here to turn the water on and off every day for the well fed organic fields.


You can't automate that shit?
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Postby Taro Toporific » Fri Jan 10, 2014 7:50 pm

chokonen888 wrote:
wuchan wrote:So, that's about 30 days of actual "work" but from May until November someone has to be here to turn the water on and off every day for the well fed organic fields.

You can't automate that shit?
"Automate"? Nope.
Wuchan beat me to saying it, but in terms of time water monitoring is my main work on the rice ranch. Even though we own the mountain watershed, on my rice ranch's water (as most) is community resource so I have to get up at 3am to close or open water gates to my fields. During the winter now, we are busy cleaning and repairing irrigation ditches, re-leveling rice paddies and tera-forming* all the mini-fields we bought from retired farmers. We loooove "depopulation" that allows us to build rational-sized fields rather than absurdly small, Japanese toy farms.
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tera-forming is one of the few jobs that I can do since my
crutches are nearly useless in paddy mud).
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Postby wuchan » Fri Jan 10, 2014 7:56 pm

chokonen888 wrote:
wuchan wrote:So, that's about 30 days of actual "work" but from May until November someone has to be here to turn the water on and off every day for the well fed organic fields.


You can't automate that shit?

All the planting and harvesting is by machiene but I have to walk the fields to pull the weeds. Two of the wells are new and are on timers but two are old and take a bit of hand pumping to get them going. Once they are going they can be run with electric motors but getting them going is a fucking bitch.

There are other reasons I have to be here too. Sometimes shit breaks. Sometimes a car crashes into a field. Sometimes typhoons blow over crops/trees/houses. Sometimes the canals get clogged and need to be cleared. Too much water is bad as is too little. Too much rain or too little can fuck shit up. Timers are great but they can't adjust for bad weather.

The super farms in the US have expensive climate monitoring equipment, computer systems and equipment to make changes as needed but here, because the laws are fucking stoopid, most farms are too small to be able to make the investment worthwhile.

If rice is included in the TPP most of rual Japan will die and the farmers will end up on public support. Think the government is broke now? Put 15% of the population on public support and see how much worse it will get.
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Postby Russell » Fri Jan 10, 2014 8:27 pm

With the subsidies they get, those farmers are already on public support.

And most of them are over 60 anyway...
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Postby Kanchou » Fri Jan 10, 2014 9:13 pm

Change laws to make it easier to buy, sell, and repurpose farm land. Get rid of JA and let them sell directly to local stores. If people aren't eating rice, legalize homebrewing to increase demand for it.

And FWIW the guy I know only has two small fields...

The average American rice farm is something like 120 times bigger than the average Japanese farm. Yet for some reason, they can still afford to spend $30,000 on their own combine.
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Postby wuchan » Fri Jan 10, 2014 9:21 pm

Kanchou wrote:Change laws to make it easier to buy, sell, and repurpose farm land. Get rid of JA and let them sell directly to local stores. If people aren't eating rice, legalize homebrewing to increase demand for it.

And FWIW the guy I know only has two small fields...

The average American rice farm is something like 120 times bigger than the average Japanese farm. Yet for some reason, they can still afford to spend $30,000 on their own combine.


JA pays half and offers a 50 year 0% loan as long as they play the JA game.
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Postby wuchan » Fri Jan 10, 2014 9:32 pm

Russell wrote:With the subsidies they get, those farmers are already on public support.

And most of them are over 60 anyway...


Yes and no.

Until they are 65 they have to pay nenkin and hoken. The problem is if they are farmers and have no other job they are technically a small company and pay a much higher rate. Yes this "small company" is subsidized by the J-government but the farm gets a payment not each person. So, If you live in Niigata and have five family members over 12 and don't sell organic Japanese grown rice to the fancy Kanto shops, you have to live on 2.5 million yen a year TOTAL for the entire family.

I don't know about you but I wouldn't be happy with less than 10 million for my family.
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Postby Russell » Fri Jan 10, 2014 9:40 pm

I do not know how much social security is in Japan, since I never received it.

As a regular salary, 10 million seems a little generous to me. It is perfectly possible to be happy with a family for less, I guess. Anyway, there are not too many 5-person families in Japan...
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Postby Kanchou » Fri Jan 10, 2014 9:50 pm

Russell wrote:I do not know how much social security is in Japan, since I never received it.

As a regular salary, 10 million seems a little generous to me. It is perfectly possible to be happy with a family for less, I guess. Anyway, there are not too many 5-person families in Japan...


I'm pretty sure he's counting his inlaws and/or parents...
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Postby Kanchou » Fri Jan 10, 2014 9:54 pm

wuchan wrote:
Russell wrote:With the subsidies they get, those farmers are already on public support.

And most of them are over 60 anyway...


Yes and no.

Until they are 65 they have to pay nenkin and hoken. The problem is if they are farmers and have no other job they are technically a small company and pay a much higher rate. Yes this "small company" is subsidized by the J-government but the farm gets a payment not each person. So, If you live in Niigata and have five family members over 12 and don't sell organic Japanese grown rice to the fancy Kanto shops, you have to live on 2.5 million yen a year TOTAL for the entire family.

I don't know about you but I wouldn't be happy with less than 10 million for my family.


2.5 million a year for 30 days of work is less a job and more like a capital gain on the farmland you own. If you can do farm work you can work a full-time job for primary income.
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Postby Taro Toporific » Fri Jan 10, 2014 10:31 pm

Kanchou wrote: ... Get rid of JA and let them sell directly...if people aren't eating rice, legalize home-brewing to increase demand for it.
Yep, on our organic rice ranch, the fucking JA is a swear word.
I have been experimenting with growing sweet potatoes and recycling crop waste to make ethyl alcohol (ethanol) to burn in our 1960s low-tech, "iron-ox," walk-behind, Yanmar tractor. Sadly, without pigs to eat the spent mash, home-brewing is wasteful and inefficient (I would need to move onto the farm full-time to manage a full-blown swine/brewing/ethanol eco-system.).

wuchan wrote:JA pays half and offers a 50 year 0% loan as long as they play the JA game.

Somehow this engrish seems to match this topic. :razz:
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Postby yanpa » Fri Jan 10, 2014 10:56 pm

Don't want any produce grown using Taro's Happy Thing.
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Postby wuchan » Sat Jan 11, 2014 2:22 am

da, fuck do I know, I'm paying off debts to the JA that date before my birth year.

What I do know is I pay about 500 yen a month for fire, disaster, flood and quake insurance that covers 100% of everything on my property as long as I sell the JA some rice.. maybe 10%?

The old cunts around me are regretting their previous decision to tell the JA to "fuck off".
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Postby Kanchou » Sat Jan 11, 2014 10:09 am

The fact that there's a JA employee for every two real farmers is absolutely absurd, though.
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Postby wuchan » Sat Jan 11, 2014 11:27 am

Kanchou wrote:The fact that there's a JA employee for every two real farmers is absolutely absurd, though.

ya it's pretty dumb. The local drop station has ten full time employees that are basically doing nothing half the year.
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Postby J.A.F.O » Sun Jan 12, 2014 9:47 pm

wuchan wrote:
Kanchou wrote:The fact that there's a JA employee for every two real farmers is absolutely absurd, though.

ya it's pretty dumb. The local drop station has ten full time employees that are basically doing nothing half the year.


Could a JA employee also be a rice rancher? or is that some kind of conflict of interest... because that sounds like the way to go to me.

Thought seriously about growing watermelons and selling them, they go for a mint around here.
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