Japan in January

[Coligny]

So much shit flying around.

Now I want to join too...

ok, but insult me in German first, and this time, no nipple clamps and no car battery tied to my genitals ...

[Wage Slave]

German I can't do but ...

Tronc!

Or is that hopelessly out of date?

[nikoneko]

My point was you have no idea what you are talking about if you post that body as an example of why video will soon go bad. Micro 4/3rds and other mirrorless that fit in the pocket with the right lens have been around for years and they shoot amazing quality video. In fact I and a friend or two like them better for video than a full size DSLR they just shine at it. Basically your entire point was completely off on this one as it has nothing to do with that type of body, the type of body you posted is not new, that particular one is a joke anyway.

If you want to say that this type of video is crap and we will see more of it in the future use the iPhone or GoPro as an example. And further if you want to say this type of video is crap then you need to learn it is all done in editing software anyway and the with "artistic direction" of the creator and has nothing to do with the camera. Do you know what I mean when I say FCP or Avid? Have you ever made a video yourself that you took the time to edit and make look good? If not stop talking like you know what you are talking about.

For the most part I agree with you about it all to tell the truth as to me the video was boring and similar to what you would see by some tourist organization or something on an airplane video screen. But you are backing up your case with the wrong arguments for one, and two it was a well made and edited by an amateur whether my style or not. Three it was a tourist home video as said before lighten up.

Basically you chose the thread to spout your manly knowledge about something you obviously don't know about at all (again) and I know a little about it cause I like making videos but way less boring and have friends who do too. Also I am bored and waiting on emails so I thought I'd call you out.

[nikoneko]

"日本では１月" Is that right? To me that sounds like "As for Japan it is January" and implies it is not January somewhere else. Wouldn't you say "一月の日本" or something similar normally? Sounds weird to me kinda.

[Coligny]

Come on, remove the slow mo and the bullshit zen music and you are left with a condensed sirup of vomit inducing cliches. Sure the guy is good at milking his field trips... But it's like Koyaanisqatsy without the essence.

Whatever... keep on trucking...

[nikoneko]

I agreed with you all along actually. But you made the argument long winded and with poor evidence and in a way that pisses people off and I was in the mood. Also don't spout video camera knowledge again, that thing you mentioned is an abomation off buzzfeed or somewhere. I do agree though we may need a newbie videographer discovers Japan thread. Still didn't get my emails grrr I am going to bed.


This is JAPAN. Precision soldiers.

[Coligny]

I saw this camera from a short made by Anna Akana, was impressed by the result since her recording session/setup was basically "push the record button at the grocery store and find the shiitake". Ok she's usually a one girl film crew who can even do lesbian twincest sequence by herself alone, but seemed that this precise video was more aboot the camera itself.

[kurogane]

"日本では１月" Is that right? To me that sounds like "As for Japan it is January" and implies it is not January somewhere else. Wouldn't you say "一月の日本" or something similar normally? Sounds weird to me kinda.

I haven't looked at the video, but it sounds like he was aiming for "Japan in January" using his 7 word and 4 phrase knowledge of Japanese gained from phrase books and perhaops even a 3 week night school course. Here on the Wet Coast of NA I am constantly having my Japanese corrected by NWTs that spent more than 8 hours outside Narita and are now bona fide Asian Experts. Sort of similar to these type of videos, actually: a minor niggling social annoyance, usually perpetrated by well-intentioned presumptuous buffoons (IOW, 76% of North Americans), but certainly nothing to get het up about, as most of us seem to agree. Nice video, well done, mostly pedestrian schlock, good work son.

Yokohammer,
Yup to all of that last one of yours. The often hysterical presumption of NWTs aside, I find most of them rather endearing. Sort of like a mildly brain damaged pet goat that chases its tail as though it discovered the pastime itself. They really do excel at re-inventing the wheel.

[Coligny]

If you want to say that this type of video is crap and we will see more of it in the future use the iPhone or GoPro as an example.

Here I disagree with your point.

The IPhone/gopro videos gave us countless "aww my balls" short, but look at the best vines compilation, what you find is 7 sec segments of pure creativity without a single second of post editing sugar coating.

The OP short feels like the video equivalent of an autotuned song (and no, I've never recorded a song, but spend 10 minutes listening to 90's hip hop /rnb music video then go back to Nicky Minaj and Krayshauwn, you immediately realize that in the 90' singer sounded like human who were actually singing. Not a weird dystopian pseudo human language spewing drone.) the same way anybody can now take a good picture as opposed to the daguerreotype days, it's becoming easier and easier to take good footage without really working for it. Just look at all the rc fpv videos, most of them looks really good, despite being taken by a micro camera duct taped to a remote controlled plane the only tweaking being trying to tape it parralel to the wing and facing the proper direction most of the time.

The scene with the train ticket girl really is for me the telltale of a camera work done by either luck or more likely just the device (proper autofocus, vibration canceling, lighting/color balance) doing all the work, rest the editing (slow mo everything) and the subject: newb discover japan. So for me, what remains is another $&@$$#%# selling a sugar coated version of japan that don't exist (but hey, at least he was allowed in an onsen, might not have been in Hokkaido) i/e propaganda.

[legion]

Do you know what I mean when I say FCP or Avid?

FCP is probably on the way out because Apple is now a phone company. Avid is about to go head to head with Adobe on the "Anywhere" concept, but quite how this will play out is anyone's guess.

The software package is kind of irrelevant, editing is about storytelling & people handling.

I like stuff like this

https://vimeo.com/27649762

This one makes me appreciate shoes as a whole, and I'd certainly buy shoes off these guys if I was in their area

[nikoneko]

Do you know what I mean when I say FCP or Avid?

FCP is probably on the way out because Apple is now a phone company. Avid is about to go head to head with Adobe on the "Anywhere" concept, but quite how this will play out is anyone's guess.

The software package is kind of irrelevant, editing is about storytelling & people handling.

Yeah I am just rank amateur enough to admit I really like FCP X. I stand up to the firing squad on it, I have friends at different levels who all just hate it. Highest up the food chain had to spend I think he said $300000 about to move his company to Avid because when it came out "it wasn't real editing software and the editing team was freaking out" or something lol. It works for me though for my hobbyist kid vids.

I like stuff like this

https://vimeo.com/27649762

This one makes me appreciate shoes as a whole, and I'd certainly buy shoes off these guys if I was in their area

Fantastic video! I have friends actually who make these kind of videos themselves in their own shops. Just humble craftsman, young guys in their twenties or early thirties mostly, one is a blacksmith another a carver as an example. I got started learning to film some of the Japanese craftsmen myself but have given up due to life stuff. The most important thing, like you say, is "editing is about storytelling & people handling", I would change it to both filming and editing though and add as a last line "keeping it humble." As Coligny said apparently anyone nowadays can just turn on a camera and make a movie which was probably more profound than he knew.

[nikoneko]

The scene with the train ticket girl really is for me the telltale of a camera work done by either luck or more likely just the device (proper autofocus, vibration canceling, lighting/color balance) doing all the work, rest the editing (slow mo everything) and the subject: newb discover japan. So for me, what remains is another $&@$$#%# selling a sugar coated version of japan that don't exist (but hey, at least he was allowed in an onsen, might not have been in Hokkaido) i/e propaganda.

It's just shooting hours of footage and finding the right bits to edit it down to 7 minutes. And a lot of times luck with the camera set to P (for professional. )

[wagyl]

...and wasting most of your holiday looking through a viewfinder. It is a worthy hobby for some, but I prefer to experience the present.

[legion]

Yeah I am just rank amateur enough to admit I really like FCP X. I stand up to the firing squad on it, I have friends at different levels who all just hate it. Highest up the food chain had to spend I think he said $300000 about to move his company to Avid because when it came out "it wasn't real editing software and the editing team was freaking out" or something lol. It works for me though for my hobbyist kid vids.

Yeah, FCP X was a crazy move, more like iMovie Pro than an upgrade of FCP. It lacks a lot of functionality & flexibility you need if you are a pro. Basically it told pro users Apple didn't really give a fuck about their business. I'm not sure I'd have switched over to Avid tho, I thought about it but I'm not sure how long Avid will stay relevant, I've heard rumours they might get bought out and put to sleep. Avid always had the kudos of being the proper film school editor option for offline, but what that often meant was the guy would do everything in the longest possible way cos he was being paid by the hour, and everyone sitting on the sofa watching the big screen didn't mind so long as their were plenty of snacks & free coffee, because they were "working". I opted for the Adobe suite, we get the whole bundle on a global license. Premier crashes quite a bit if you are rough with it, but the combination of After Effects & Mocha more than makes up for this.

[legion]

...and wasting most of your holiday looking through a viewfinder. It is a worthy hobby for some, but I prefer to experience the present.

and then spending hours in front of your computer drooling over the pieces of footage that you got just like you wanted, and crying over the shots you missed.

In the days of film I used to take two rolls of 36 exposure film for my camera when I went on holiday, and when I'd finished them not buy any more and start enjoying my holiday, trying not to agonize over the fact I had chosen the wrong film speed for the shots I'd tried to take.

Then when I got home and got them developed, I'd find that out of the 72 pictures I had in the little booklet with the cute kittens on the front, 68 were rubbish.

[kurogane]

...and wasting most of your holiday looking through a viewfinder. It is a worthy hobby for some, but I prefer to experience the present.

Yeah, that pretty much nails it for me. It's almost a sort of double level vicarious experience: seeing your holiday as a chance to be a vicarious experience for you even though you were actually on it.

I can barely control my laughter when the NWTs complain about the lack of available Wifi in Japan 'ruining' their holidays because they can't stay in constant touch with their friends back home. They get very pissy with the lack of sympathy, too, which is fun.

I gave up on taking photos back when there was film or film. I'm crap, and it was a waste of money and frustrating.

[Coligny]

Fcp/avid... No...

In my days it was adobe premiere... On ppc6100 and we didn't have a coin for cameras, so it was, take a picture of a background we liked with a disposable cam, develop it, scan at a copyfax shop, find some 3d models (usually helos, mbt and bombers) animate them over the picture with a 3d soft i don't remember the name and had to use an utility that quit the finder before launching it in order to have enough ram... Then find a movie trailer on the web with scene we could copypaste between our shots... (Broken arrow was used more than once, plus i had the ost cd from Marco Beltrami) never spent so much time watching a progress bar going from left to right, of course, in a modal window so you could not touch anything while it worked... Well unless you forgot to deactivate the screen saver whose activation was doubling the time needed... So had to keep wach to click from time to time to wake it up...

Thanks, you ruined decades of therapy to forgot this nightmare...

[Screwed-down Hairdo]

I agreed with you all along actually. But you made the argument long winded and with poor evidence and in a way that pisses people off and I was in the mood. Also don't spout video camera knowledge again, that thing you mentioned is an abomation off buzzfeed or somewhere. I do agree though we may need a newbie videographer discovers Japan thread. Still didn't get my emails grrr I am going to bed.


This is JAPAN. Precision soldiers.

This kind of thing reminds me of how much closer Japan is to North Korea than the liberal Western philosophies it tries to cloak itself in for outside audiences.

[nikoneko]

This kind of thing reminds me of how much closer Japan is to North Korea than the liberal Western philosophies it tries to cloak itself in for outside audiences.

You should have seen the school opening ceremony it was almost anger inducing. The kids filed in in perfectly straight lines, the announcer would say "Bow", "Sit" people would talk then it would be "Stand" "Bow" "Sit" over again. Very Orwellian, not real happy to have my son as part of that kind of system, but thankfully it doesn't seem to be like that too much normally.

[Russell]

I didn't find this video particularly North-Korean, but I understand the argument. I have seen my kids marching along on the sports ground too often.

It gets even more interesting when the kids make the Hitler greeting at school events. When my dad saw this for the first time, he almost collapsed...

[Mike Oxlong]

I didn't find this video particularly North-Korean, but I understand the argument. I have seen my kids marching along on the sports ground too often.

It gets even more interesting when the kids make the Hitler greeting at school events. When my dad saw this for the first time, he almost collapsed...

I thought that was an American thing...

[Coligny]

Well... DPRK don't know any better...

Japan feels more like a retarded teen still wearing diapers and wanting to be breastfed by it's long dead mother...

(hey, there's a movie idea there...)

[Russell]

I didn't find this video particularly North-Korean, but I understand the argument. I have seen my kids marching along on the sports ground too often.

It gets even more interesting when the kids make the Hitler greeting at school events. When my dad saw this for the first time, he almost collapsed...

I thought that was an American thing...

Maybe, but not after the war anymore.

In Japan, on the other hand...

[Samurai_Jerk]

Another Japan video by a tourist for Coligny to shit on.

In Japan

This film is a collection of audiovisual moments and memories of a 3-week railway journey through Japan in 2015. We were whizzing through the country with the Shinkansen visiting Tokyo, Osaka, Hiroshima and Kyoto as well as lots of wonderful little places along the way, meeting the most friendly people and experiencing a culture that somehow balances its rich tradition with a very futuristic present.

[Russell]

Another Japan video by a tourist for Coligny to shit on.

In Japan

This film is a collection of audiovisual moments and memories of a 3-week railway journey through Japan in 2015. We were whizzing through the country with the Shinkansen visiting Tokyo, Osaka, Hiroshima and Kyoto as well as lots of wonderful little places along the way, meeting the most friendly people and experiencing a culture that somehow balances its rich tradition with a very futuristic present.

Thanks for posting this.

Very nice video.

[Wage Slave]

Another Japan video by a tourist for Coligny to shit on.

In Japan

This film is a collection of audiovisual moments and memories of a 3-week railway journey through Japan in 2015. We were whizzing through the country with the Shinkansen visiting Tokyo, Osaka, Hiroshima and Kyoto as well as lots of wonderful little places along the way, meeting the most friendly people and experiencing a culture that somehow balances its rich tradition with a very futuristic present.

Thanks for posting this.

Very nice video.

Agreed. It's beautiful. And quite honest.

[Yokohammer]

Very nice editing there. Pace, continuity, meaning ... really well done.

[Coligny]

Incoherent HDR gangrape... Like an extended Air Asia commercial without the purpose...