J-Nationalism on the rise

[kurogane]

I certainly agree that it would behove Japan to foster a better and stronger relationship with South Korea, a natural ally, but I find it more useful to focus on what proper reflection and repentance does for Japan as a nation: it makes them look and feel better, and helps build a stronger and peaceful country. This schoolyard tit for tat that the neo-cons are so obsessed by makes them look like emotionally incontinent ninnies, and drags them down to the level of bunched panty whiners like the Chinese and Koreans. To be fair, the latest reactions, the usual hysteric hyperbole aside, are the result of outright and outrageous provocation by the Japanese emotards in charge.

At the end of the day, the peace treaties resolved the issue at a formal diplomatic level, so it isn't even in the Japanese interest to revisit it, obvious domestic consumption aspects aside. All they really need to do is keep reiterating that they resolved the issue in formal state treaties and have compensated both South Korea and China for their wartime actions. The real problem, of course, is that the need to reiterate their regret to Lower Beings chokes like jagged bile in the throats of people too stupid to realise the very real wrongs they visited on innocent nations. By which I mean 48% of Japanese adults, though to be fair 7 of 10 of those have at most a sort of passive dislike of South Koreans and China, mostly because of their continued childish hysterics over an issue long closed, the recent provocations aside, of course.

All they need to do is take the high road, which only makes these recent low road excursions all the more aggravating.

BTW, Western insistence on mentioning The War is considered one of the great last bastions of Western racism towards the Japanese, fair historical comment aside. Whatever they might have done, they paid for it in blood and bows.

[Russell]

There is one thing unmentioned in the war reparation payments from Japan to the sex slaves, and that is that a Korean court judged in favor of some former sex slaves for compensation from Japanese companies, even though that is officially already settled in the past agreement with South-Korea as a country.

The situation is pretty fucked up.

[6810]

you dudes are just on the SAFE side on this issue.
shameless pussies
we japanese never give up the truth no matter how j-reputation are undermined.

All these years and people still reply to and/or try to burn take-chan... man, the more things change...

[Yokohammer]

you dudes are just on the SAFE side on this issue.
shameless pussies
we japanese never give up the truth no matter how j-reputation are undermined.

All these years and people still reply to and/or try to burn take-chan... man, the more things change...

And why not?

[Coligny]

you dudes are just on the SAFE side on this issue.
shameless pussies
we japanese never give up the truth no matter how j-reputation are undermined.

All these years and people still reply to and/or try to burn take-chan... man, the more things change...

And why not?

Because... FORUM NAZIS...
I think...

And don't get any opinions on vacation videos...

[wuchan]

At this point 90% of the people that were alive during the war are dead. At this point the people of Korea and Japan are basing their knowledge on second hand stories. Japan is not the same as it was during WWII and nither is Korea. One on one the average Korean would beat the fuck out of the average Japanese person. Before the war it was the opposite. Japan had been training for, and practicing, war for over 1,500 years. Sure guns changed things but they understood the value of training. Look at the education system even today. No one fails. We have marching drills, athletic contests, running, tug o rope.... Fail an acidemic class and nothing happens. Fail a physical test in elementry school and the shit hits the fan.

Say what you want but Japanese men today would like to do what their grandfathers failed to. They think robots and technology will win a war. Too bad for them, the population of Japan today can no longer fight off a full scale invasion. People got comfortable. People got lazy. Unlike their fat american counterparts, Japan doesn't have oceans between them and their enimies.

[matsuki]

Forget The "Comfort Women" Row: Here's Postwar Japan's Biggest Abomination And It Is Still Unresolved

The U.S. press has demonstrated even greater pusillanimity in dealing with another skeleton in Tokyo’s cupboard: the Unit 731 abomination and its literally unbelievable postwar sequel.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/eamonnfingl ... nresolved/

[kurogane]

Forget The "Comfort Women" Row: Here's Postwar Japan's Biggest Abomination And It Is Still Unresolved

The U.S. press has demonstrated even greater pusillanimity in dealing with another skeleton in Tokyo’s cupboard: the Unit 731 abomination and its literally unbelievable postwar sequel.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/eamonnfingl ... nresolved/

How can an issue from the Pacific War remain unresolved? That is what the Treaty of San Francisco was for. This has got to stop soon. It's like a new Yellow Journalism.

Also, if something is "literally unbelievable" then it isn't news. Forbes is hiring Valley Girls to write their headlines now??? Do people that use the word literally understand they literally mean "figuratively"?

But your honour, I only killed him to stop his crimes against the language!

JUDGE: That's justifiable homicide. The charges are dismissed and you are free to go.

[Yokohammer]

This guy flip-flops like a freakin' pancake ...

Abe: Kono sex slave apology stands

Japan will not retract its 1993 apology for forcing women into sexual slavery in military brothels during the war, Prime Minister Shinzo Abe said Friday in an attempt to ease tensions with South Korea.
...

“I’m not thinking about revising (the statement) under my Cabinet,” Abe told a session of the Upper House Budget Committee. “My heart breaks when I consider the immeasurable pain” inflicted on those women.

...

Abe, whose perceived right-leaning policy has angered victims of Japan’s wartime militarism, particularly China and South Korea, also told the committee that he stands by Japan’s formal apology issued in 1995 to wartime victims.

“As for my own historical views, I have taken the position held by previous Cabinets,” he said, referring to the 1995 statement by Prime Minister Tomiichi Murayama expressing Japan’s feelings of “deep remorse” and “heartfelt apology.”

I suppose that's better than sticking to his fascist guns though.
It's amazing what a bit of "外圧" (pressure from the outside) can still accomplish here.

[kurogane]

I read a rather rambling Japanese blog entry when it first came out claiming he's sending up rather fiery test balloons on purpose on all these various revisionist and symbolic revanchist policy ideas, and then gauging the wind and tide. I agree it is a better result, at any rate. It would be interesting to know how much effect the outside pressure actually had, and how much was the result of a total lack of domestic support for the idea of a revisit.

Apparently the New Abe is neither as craven nor as thick as the Old Abe. Didn't the latter one quit because he had a sore tummy tum tums???? I hold out a slim hope he actually might not be the Trojan Horse many of us first feared. Not holding my breath, mind.

BTW, on a tangent, having forgotten about the 1995 cabinet level apology, why don't they just bring that up every time the continentals spazz out? Given the shifty nature of the Emperor's role, that is as close as we'll likely get to a state level apology before you and high are wearing our pants above our navels and playing shuffleboard somewhere warm.

[Wage Slave]

Perhaps it was internal pressure of sorts. It wouldn't surprise me too much if some senior people at Toyota and their ilk have had a quiet word. The nationalist right wing might want to assert this nonsense but they don't have any means to pay the cost. The reality is that no way, no how, can Japan Inc afford it.

Like it or not, Japan's prosperity, standard of living and even survival rests on trade with and huge investments in the rest of the world. That trade and those investments are of course dependent on good relationships. There is also the small matter of huge numbers of Japanese people living in other countries to maintain and run those interests.

This was something very well understood, and pretty brilliantly executed in the golden days of Showa. It's curious how the best bits of the Showa mindset have been abandoned while some of the (ahem) less useful bits have been clung on to.

[kurogane]

This was something very well understood, and pretty brilliantly executed in the golden days of Showa. It's curious how the best bits of the Showa mindset have been abandoned while some of the (ahem) less useful bits have been clung on to.

That's a very good point, amongst other good points. My impression is that Very Many Japanese are simply tired of apologising for something they have already apologised and paid for. Sadly, the most common or vocal response is angry emotional diarroeha instead of the attitude shown in that delightful comic strip posted somewhere here a month or so ago (the one where the kitty cat at the irori ignores the Korean and Chinese whining and goes back to enjoying her bowl of buta-jiru). I'd love to see that again, btw, if anybody has it.

They actually have earned the right to be treated as a normal nation, though spazz attacks like this never help that cause.

[Mike Oxlong]

My impression is that Very Many Japanese are simply tired of apologising for something they have already apologised and paid for. Sadly, the most common or vocal response is angry emotional diarroeha instead of the attitude shown in that delightful comic strip posted somewhere here a month or so ago (the one where the kitty cat at the irori ignores the Korean and Chinese whining and goes back to enjoying her bowl of buta-jiru). I'd love to see that again, btw, if anybody has it.

They actually have earned the right to be treated as a normal nation, though spazz attacks like this never help that cause.

I wonder if something like what I read here isn't playing quite a role...

<snip>There also is good reason for Japan to work more closely with like-minded states such as the Republic of Korea. This bilateral relationship, like others involving Tokyo, remains tainted by history. But so long as Washington essentially smothers the region with its security blanket, allied states have little incentive to eschew taking domestic political advantage of nationalistic sentiments and work through historic difficulties. Take away the American guarantee, and other states have a much greater incentive to cooperate.</snip>
http://www.forbes.com/sites/dougbandow/ ... inawans/3/

[Russell]

I wonder if something like what I read here isn't playing quite a role...

<snip>There also is good reason for Japan to work more closely with like-minded states such as the Republic of Korea. This bilateral relationship, like others involving Tokyo, remains tainted by history. But so long as Washington essentially smothers the region with its security blanket, allied states have little incentive to eschew taking domestic political advantage of nationalistic sentiments and work through historic difficulties. Take away the American guarantee, and other states have a much greater incentive to cooperate.</snip>
http://www.forbes.com/sites/dougbandow/ ... inawans/3/

In other words, Washington has issued an ultimatum...

[wagyl]

I wonder if something like what I read here isn't playing quite a role...

<snip>There also is good reason for Japan to work more closely with like-minded states such as the Republic of Korea. This bilateral relationship, like others involving Tokyo, remains tainted by history. But so long as Washington essentially smothers the region with its security blanket, allied states have little incentive to eschew taking domestic political advantage of nationalistic sentiments and work through historic difficulties. Take away the American guarantee, and other states have a much greater incentive to cooperate.</snip>
http://www.forbes.com/sites/dougbandow/ ... inawans/3/

In other words, Washington has issued an ultimatum...

I think it might be more that Washington has facilitated the continuation of a dysfunctional relationship. If these countries had other things to worry about, the constant sniping little spats between them would be ignored as low priority.

[Takechanpoo]

you gaijin dudes even dont know that US government confidential document about comfort women is discovered, in which is written the same things which J-"rightwingers" have insisted since a long time ago.
they are no more than whores who earn high wages and even have the right to reject their customers.

If such a document exists why on God's green earth would the US Government keep it confidential? Grasping at straws my man. Grasping at straws.

Huh? why the fuk are you such an asshat? eh?
document number is OSS CONFINDENTIAL-C.I.D XL8505 and CONFIDENTIAL JICA R-565-CH-45

and you gaijin guys should remember USA had comfort women TOO
http://www.amazon.co.jp/Against-Our-Wil ... 0449908208

bunch of hypocrites you are

[Coligny]

Huh? why the fuk are you such an asshat? eh?
document number is OSS CONFINDENTIAL-C.I.D XL8505 and CONFIDENTIAL JICA R-565-CH-45

Googling both seems to link to japanese or Korean blogs only and really nor much of them anyway...
I seriously would have doubt on the truesness of the existence / meaning / genuineness of these documents... Feels a bit like Alex Jones quoting Drudge report to base his claims, while the drudge link is itself based on Jones's previous statement... (Aint that called circle jerking... At least circular or loop referencing...)

Also, maybe not directly relevant but to keep in mind. The OSS was disbanded as of 20 september 1945.
And all the links I find show this doc published by yonhap 16march 2014... Today...

[Takechanpoo]

coligy, i will punch your french face if you are in front of my eyes.

its just because the whole documents are still confidential

[Coligny]

coligy, i will punch your french face if you are in front of my eyes.

its just because the whole documents are still confidential

Physical threats, If you were taken seriously and not for the buffoon that you are that might get you banned.

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That doc state "declassified" on top of the cover...

Carefull, you are not that anonymous, while I sort of liked your airplane pichsures (was is on your flickr account) that won't prevent me from filling a complaint at the local koban for online threats... They might even be happy to see me for something else than reporting illegal parking or incorrect road markings. (Quite a few these days)

[Takechanpoo]

wow you are snitching now?

i always accept this kind of pm.
gallery/image.php?mode=medium&album_id=19&image_id=127
gallery/image.php?mode=medium&album_id=19&image_id=126
but i never snitch it to police. i just enjoy it unlike you

[Yokohammer]

wow you are snitching now?

i always accept this kind of pm.
gallery/image.php?mode=medium&album_id=19&image_id=127
gallery/image.php?mode=medium&album_id=19&image_id=126
but i never snitch it to police. i just enjoy it unlike you

Takechan ...

Those PMs are just stupid PM spam that's being sent all around the Internet.
Try googling a portion of the text, like "Preferably by getting crushed to death in a garbage compactor" for example. You'll get lots of hits from all around the world. It's not one of our regular members.

** Can a mod take a look at this and kill the sender's account please?

[kurogane]

coligy, i will punch your french face if you are in front of my eyes.

He who makey Pearl Harbor end up making own Hiroshima.

Be careful what you wish for whipping boy.

[Coligny]

wow you are snitching now?

i always accept this kind of pm.
gallery/image.php?mode=medium&album_id=19&image_id=127
gallery/image.php?mode=medium&album_id=19&image_id=126

but i never snitch it to police. i just enjoy it unlike you

Yea, and my sister enjoy vodak tampoons, that don't make it a universal practice...

So aside from this diversion...

What ab00t the declassified stamp or the rather new discovery from yonhap ? Btw, are you one of those korean blooded japanese uyokus ? (Or just a pure blooded run of the mill japidiot ?)

[Coligny]

wow you are snitching now?

i always accept this kind of pm.
gallery/image.php?mode=medium&album_id=19&image_id=127
gallery/image.php?mode=medium&album_id=19&image_id=126
but i never snitch it to police. i just enjoy it unlike you

Takechan ...

Those PMs are just stupid PM spam that's being sent all around the Internet.
Try googling a portion of the text, like "Preferably by getting crushed to death in a garbage compactor" for example. You'll get lots of hits from all around the world. It's not one of our regular members.

** Can a mod take a look at this and kill the sender's account please?

Don't you remember a bug on phpbb allowing PM from inexisting accounts ? Because there was a wave of abi00ze like this despite new account not being authorized to use PMs...

[Wage Slave]

Takenchump, I understand you are upset because Mr Abe was forced to listen to reason and cancel the systemic, forced prostitution denial you thought was finally coming but really you can't take your frustration out on poor old Coligny. That's just wrong. And illegal. So, choke back the tears and take a deep breath eh?

Now the document you found:

1. It's not classified.

2. It doesn't support your denials at all. All it states is that one POW in Burma thought that the service was too expensive for him and would rather save the money. It says nothing about whether the girls were conscripted or how much (if any) of the money they earned. Now, no-one was innocent that's for sure but that doesn't mean some weren't far worse than others.

BTW, if you want to know what the Imperial Japanese Army was really like, even to their own soldiers, and how good they were in battle when faced with an army properly led, then Burma makes an excellent case study. Try this book written by the man who did it:

Defeat into Victory

[wagyl]

wow you are snitching now?

i always accept this kind of pm.
gallery/image.php?mode=medium&album_id=19&image_id=127
gallery/image.php?mode=medium&album_id=19&image_id=126
but i never snitch it to police. i just enjoy it unlike you

Takechan ...

Those PMs are just stupid PM spam that's being sent all around the Internet.
Try googling a portion of the text, like "Preferably by getting crushed to death in a garbage compactor" for example. You'll get lots of hits from all around the world. It's not one of our regular members.

** Can a mod take a look at this and kill the sender's account please?

Takechan's on FB?

[kurogane]

A point of clarification, please: are we still pretending that we don't know Takecumpool is pretending to be a right wing Japanese emospazz????

If yes, I would prefer you all to refer to me as Your Majesty, being the Last King of Scotland as I be.

[wagyl]

Next you'll be denying the holocaust and the tooth fairy.

[Wage Slave]

A point of clarification, please: are we still pretending that we don't know Takecumpool is pretending to be a right wing Japanese emospazz????

If yes, I would prefer you all to refer to me as Your Majesty, being the Last King of Scotland as I be.

Yes, Your Highness.

As for Takenchump, I have no care at all what his true identity may be. Responding to his gobbets is a bit like idly popping the bubbles in a piece of bubble wrap. As unproductive as can be but oddly satisfying and reassuring at the same time.

I don't mind people pretending to be what they aren't on the internet. It allows for some interesting discussion that would otherwise be stymied by all the grammar needed to maintain unreality. So, happy to play along Your Highness.

[wagyl]

He certainly presents information that would not otherwise appear here, perhaps in part playing the Devil's advocate, but it can be of interest to see things from another side.