3 FG arrested for filming pet food

[GuyJean]

you would be very surprised what is possible with even freeware that is available.

Not really.. But nothing really surprises me, anymore.

Linking to the bigger pictures might give a better idea if they're doctored:
http://www.seashepherd.org/download/taiji/pullinginHI.jpg
http://www.seashepherd.org/download/taiji/taiji1.jpg

Japslapper, why don't you document this with your own, "unbiased" photos? This would save a lot of time debating the 'ability to retouch'..

Of course. Since we now know how much you hate hippies, the pictures wouldn't really be unbiased, would they..

And again, you said you were there. Was the water that red?

GJ

[cstaylor]

Yeah, it's hard to know what to believe with everyone packing serious computer power these days.

[devicenull]

Japslapper: I agree that it is "retouched".

Thanks GargoyleTS Thought so - now all I need to know is how would a newspaper/tv station accept it?

It's not suspicion if you know they've been manipulated. How have they? Edited? Saturated? Colorized?

GJ cheers - thanks for that. I knew it was fishy - I just am not that good with some(all) of the software, computers etc ( I am getting an AppleMac for Christmas from fg-gf :P - so WILL improve!) -
That thing on the skirts

http://a772.g.akamai.net/7/772/51/386bfd84eceaa6/www.apple.com/finalcutpro/images/colorcorrectapple04072003.jpg

mmmm duuno - I get you point - wow you CAN have a lot of fun with a computer

Thanxs guys

Now can any of you US FGs tell me about this McNamara chap - he said he was famous in the USA - is he?

i have never heard of him, and those with fame dont need to announce that they are famous. if you need to announce it, it is a sign that you are not. the name sounds semi familiar, but only as Robert McNamara.. and that is kennedy era. you are not the only one without a clue who this hack is. prolly just another hippie with too much time, and not enough talent to actually do something worthwhile with his life other than ruin other people's lives

[japslapper]

Japslapper, why don't you document this with your own, "unbiased" photos? This would save a lot of time debating the 'ability to retouch'..

Of course. Since we now know how much you hate hippies, the pictures wouldn't really be unbiased, would they..

And again, you said you were there. Was the water that red?

I would love to do this - but as a "neutral bystander" - I have to concentrate on the translating etc.....

and I dont hate ALL hippies - just these particular ones are as I said being overly manipulative - they are in Japan and not even TRYING to adjust or work with the culture. Their thinking is dolphin = cute only, and that is pathetic

I was there. The water was nothing like that - I know it was odd - and because my knowledge of this type of software is still basic - I wasnt sure if it was possible - hence I asked here. Appologies for my ignorance

i have never heard of him, and those with fame dont need to announce that they are famous. if you need to announce it, it is a sign that you are not. the name sounds semi familiar, but only as Robert McNamara.. and that is kennedy era. you are not the only one without a clue who this hack is. prolly just another hippie with too much time, and not enough talent to actually do something worthwhile with his life other than ruin other people's lives

Your quite right - but his commnets did worry the J-cops or so it seemed

and ruining lives he is trying to do - this is 1000years of culture, and peoples livelyhoods depend on this trade( and it is subsistance - only 1000 dolphins per year). I asked him about what he thought about lambs at 8weeks being eaten in English speaking nations - "thats OK - because they were made for it"

The power of the articulate is as always exceeding that of the informed

[GargoyleTS]

Japslapper: I think the only way to get any media outlet to debunk it would be to find a reporter who didn't like the group involved. The other thing to do is get a really good portable recording device for any further encounters in case evidence is needed (for either legal or media reasons).

[japslapper]

Japslapper: I think the only way to get any media outlet to debunk it would be to find a reporter who didn't like the group involved. The other thing to do is get a really good portable recording device for any further encounters in case evidence is needed (for either legal or media reasons).

At the "cat and mouse games" there are plenty of cameras, hippies 2 - fishermen 5, yakuba about 2 , cops 2 etc etc.......its real weird to watch cop and hippie filming each other (no dialogue) - like swords drawn, from yesteryear

The idea of an independant reporter is a good idea - non US/UK, non JP. -Arab, or Far Eastern would be good, I think - but the Japnese let themselves down and wont speak to an "unofficial" news company......

[japslapper]

[GargoyleTS]

Japslapper: Tell your cops to run Billy Mac's passport info through NCIC or Interpol and see if he has any outstanding warrants in the US (he may: from info from his own website he skipped out on a court-ordered restitution payment of $100,000.00 in L.A.). If he does, they'll know what to do, and if he has any convictions that are listed Immigration may revoke his visa/kick his sorry bit-part actor ass out of the country. He does run in some political circles, but they might not support him if he does something stupid. Also, see about having them some politicians contact the American Embassy and complaining about the behavior of this american, blah, blah, blah international incident, blah, blah, blah making Japan look bad using lies and doctored photos (let's see if his buddy Howard Dean will touch him after his little group is exposed as a bunch of liars) In fact, that's a good angle for any reporter you might talk to.

These guys are pissing me off. How would they know what the hell the japanese were saying if they don't speak the language? Tell the guys to ignore them from now on. If there is a problem with what they (the harvesters) are doing, the Japanese gov't will take care of it. The photographers can't do any harm, and if they get too close, send a little blood their way! Hell, tell them to smile and wave! That should really piss those hippies off! Or start your own campaign. Have some kids follow them everywhere taking pictures of them and writing down what they do and say, then give the info to a reporter to spin any story they please!

[GuyJean]

These guys are pissing me off.

I don't understand why most of the posters in this thread fear hippies so much..

And by the way. These people aren't really hippies; they're activists. Hippies are from the sixties, didn't have any money, and were more concerned about protecting their patch from the 'man' than protecting air breathing fish.

You city kids need to get your slurs right.

GJ

[devicenull]

These guys are pissing me off.

I don't understand why most of the posters in this thread fear hippies so much..

And by the way. These people aren't really hippies]

"activists" still has a positive tone to it... "hippies" implies moneyless grubbers. i guess i could just use the term "assholes", but it lacks the color that "hippies" has. times change, so do word associations and usages... they are dirty hippies that need to have the dogs set on them

[japslapper]

Another Hippie and fishermen fight today I had a ringside spectator seat! William McNamara (semi-famous US actor) triped overhim self and caught it on camera. Sometime in the next few days this should air on CNN - since I am an Inaka FG , I have no access to cable TV - so can FGs out there let me know when it airs?

McNamara tells me US Govenor Jed Bushes daughter is on route to Taiji as is semi famous actor Pierce Brosnan (and he had the cheek to be 007 )..........threats hey

[GuyJean]

"activists" still has a positive tone to it...

Let's see. They believe in something, they 'act' on it.. Maybe 'conservationists' is better? 'Tree-huggers'?

"hippies" implies moneyless grubbers.

Most likely, the Shephard's crew are from wealthy families that have enough money for ships, travelling, and sending actors all over the world.. So, your own definition of 'hippie' doesn't even apply.

times change, so do word associations and usages..

So, word associations can change but the hunting of certain species CANNOT? .. Interesting.

GJ

[GargoyleTS]

So many mean things come to mind when dealing with self-righteous actors.

To GuyJean: I mean these guys are pissing me off. The hippies was followed by a winky to indicate I meant the name as a jest. I know they are not hippies, Hippies were groovy, intelligent people who wanted the right to be less intelleigent for short periods of time through the miracle of chemisty. These assholes are like those damn tourist's. Bunch of self-righteous assholes from where?, America, trying to impose their beliefs on a people they don't even know and haven't tried to understand. Sound familiar? (and no, I do not mean you. I mean we've all seen them) They want people to do what they think is right and the hell with them, their culture, or their economy. Why the hell shouldn't they be attacked by the farmers who are trying to defend themselves against an invasion? They are only making such god-awful pests of themselves in the hopes of media coverage. I hope they get deported soon, as I fear they (not the farmers) may do something really stupid soon and bring shit down on all the FG's in the region.

Now then, about that mean stuff to say: Ummm....doesn't Gov. Bush's daughter have enough brain-dead people back home to save, she gotta come rescue these bozo's? Remind her this is the real-world and this is a lot tougher than stuffing ballot boxes for daddy. Fah! Scrap that. I have decided its a good thing if she does show up. After all, the Neice of the American president involved with lawbreaking in another country must be of benefit to Japan somehow...

[GuyJean]

To GuyJean: I mean these guys are pissing me off. The hippies was followed by a winky to indicate I meant the name as a jest. These assholes are like those damn tourist's. Bunch of self-righteous assholes..

Like I mentioned before; most of the wealthy, middle-class, new age , um, "hippies" annoy me; I was left totally disillusioned after a year hangin' with Deadheads in university - spoiled AND sponging off the government. Really frustrating.

In a lot of ways I agree that these annoying 'activists' are nothing but sef-righteous, self-promoting nature-baters..

BUT, in some small way, I can also understand what activists sometimes do, assures future fisherman actually have fish to catch.. In Alaska, there's a very strict and enforced bidding system that limits the number of boats, how many fish can be caught, and the season in which the bays can be fished. The fisherman are making more money because the catches are bigger, fish healthier, and supply limited.. AND Joe-Fishingpole's great grandkids can follow in pappy's footsteps instead of becoming manager of the local gas station.. There IS a bigger picture in most situations.

I'm not sure how dolphins work into the ecosystem, but I'm sure they're involved somehow..

If these nature-baters are cutting nets, they should be arrested. If all they're doing is filming and documenting something on public land, I don't see a problem. I know plenty of Japanese who would be shocked by just seeing what's happening, whether the water is colorized or not.

I see both sides, which appears to be a limited point of view on this thread.

GJ

[devicenull]

So, word associations can change but the hunting of certain species CANNOT? .. Interesting.

GJ

changing because dirty hippies from outside of japan decided that they are better then japan and know what is right or wrong... er, no.

[devicenull]

To GuyJean: I mean these guys are pissing me off. The hippies was followed by a winky to indicate I meant the name as a jest. These assholes are like those damn tourist's. Bunch of self-righteous assholes..

Like I mentioned before]

um, they have a quota system in place already if you bothered to read the article. and i seriously doubt the japanese would really care if the non-japanese hippies threw the images in their faces.

[GuyJean]

changing because dirty hippies from outside of japan decided that they are better then japan and know what is right or wrong... er, no.

So how do you feel about foreign companies buying and changing Japanese companies?

Although I see and understand your point, sometimes the locals have local minds that end up hindering themselves.. Not always. But sometimes..

GJ

[cstaylor]

I'm not sure how dolphins work into the ecosystem, but I'm sure they're involved somehow..

Of course, otherwise Nature would have removed them by now.

[GuyJean]

i seriously doubt the japanese would really care if the non-japanese hippies threw the images in their faces.

How bout' CNN or BBC throwing the images in their faces?

I've shown the pictures to two Japanese people, after mentioning that the pictures were probably doctored; both shocked after they discovered they were dolphins. Of course, I'm probably a dirty hippie, by your definition.

Since you're a respectable red-neck, why don't you show the images to some of your Japanese friends. Let me know their reaction.

GJ

[devicenull]

i seriously doubt the japanese would really care if the non-japanese hippies threw the images in their faces.

How bout' CNN or BBC throwing the images in their faces?

I've shown the pictures to two Japanese people, after mentioning that the pictures were probably doctored]

i wish i was a redneck
then i would have a gun rack and a crystal meth lab

[GargoyleTS]

Well, I guess we could ask JS to ask the fishermen why they objected to the "conservationists". Were they indeed just taking pics and talking amongst themselves, or did they do something else? Inquiring FG want to know...well, some of us do anyways...

How bout it Japslapper? Do you have any additional info on this capivating and heart-war....err humanitarian issue? (or can you ask the fishermen {I promise to stick to calling all parties involved by one name each consistently from now on} and the police for their versions of what happened on that first encounter?)

[cstaylor]

[quote="GuyJean"]I've shown the pictures to two Japanese people, after mentioning that the pictures were probably doctored]You CAN eat dolphin meat, if you like the taste of heavy metals.

[GuyJean]

[quote="cstaylor"]You CAN eat dolphin meat, if you like the taste of heavy metals. ]
Why? Are they comsuming all Japan's steel, too? Damn air-breathing fish!
They shouldn't even be in the water if they breath air. If wasn't for those damn 'tree frogs', Nature would've eliminated dolphins and whales long ago..

('tree frogs' = extremist conservationists in Northwestern US speak.)

Rock on, CS.

GJ

[cstaylor]

You CAN eat dolphin meat, if you like the taste of heavy metals. ]
Why? Are they comsuming all Japan's steel, too?

No, but dolphins and whales are found to have higher concentrations of mercury and other dangerous metals in their flesh.

[GuyJean]

No, but dolphins and whales are found to have higher concentrations of mercury and other dangerous metals in their flesh.

I know. I was joking.

Maybe the Japanese became accustomed to eating mercury-soaked fish after Minamata Bay? - http://www.nimd.go.jp/archives/english/tenji/e_corner/qa5/5top.html

(Dooh! low-blow)

GJ

[bejiita]

Hmm, I was debating about putting this post in the Matrix Revolutions thread. But, I think it's more appropriate here. Dang, now I want a hotdog and a hamburger!

[japslapper]

Japslapper: Tell your cops to run Billy Mac's passport info through NCIC or Interpol ......

......Or start your own campaign. Have some kids follow them everywhere taking pictures!

Done the first part of your suggestion......not sure if the cops have that much initiative to follow it through. ..... The US embassy IS supporting him, Billy Mac - claims the mobile phone he has is on loan and he says he also has possesion of a rubber dingy which was provided by the embassy, organised by his friend, Lauren "president" Bush.......... The video of the fishermen V hippy fight from yesterday is also on eroute to the CNN AND the Oval Office he said......

A reverse media campaign is a good idea, but it is surely like an ant fucking an elephant

During my chat today, with Billy Mac - I discovered that those dolphin/bood sea pics have been so dramatic Sea Shepherd are minting funds - he even said he donated 3500USD to the campaign - what is more Pierce Brosnan is definately en-route to Taiji so is Lauren Bush(niece of), also SeaShepherds boat the Fawley Mowat is en route - its plan is to stay in international waters of Taiji - ready to ram/sink any coastal whaler that heads out, what is more it also has a heavy machine gun mounted....... Things are heating up rather nicely

ask.....the fishermen and the police for their versions ......

Basically the town and the fishermen want their trade kept out of the limelight becaues they know that, hippies manipulate data - and exagerate and bullshit there way to get money, and possibly achieve their said objectice. The fishermen know that "The Cult of the Cetaceans" is against them and they are shitting themselves.

If the hippies were honest - a picture of dead dolphins would sit next to a picture of dead lamb - so we all get a balanced and contextual view of "cute" death etc etc etc

The cops were orginally on the towns side - they are becomming more neutral as they know that rich/powerful hippies are in town and the worlds media are on them....Hippies, take pictures - the town and cops marks the cliffs, and port as "out of bounds" - the hippies find new places to take photos etc etc. As soon as a fist is thrown, there will be arrests. Obvioulsy the cops want this to all stop so they can go back to sleep

You CAN eat dolphin meat, if you like the taste of heavy metals

Coastal cetacean species probably do have high contamination levels - the oceanic balleen whales are most certainly OK to eat (and tasty).
There is some research out there - but one has to be careful because who is paying for this reasearch - Greenpeace et all is paying for research, because they hope a toxicity label would reduce demand and that would be another victory for their cult. Personally I am not sure who to believe -

I personally believe that oceanic pollution is an issue that goes beyond whaling - and whaling is really a red herring. Fish are poisened, bone meal and ultimately vegetable production - even the vegan hippies will get poisoned ..... Whaling? If its monitored carefully and species are managed carefully no problem. World consumerism and the "monocultures
of the mind" are real environmental issues. Having talked to all the hippies at length I can only conclude that their problem is a cross-cultural one. The Taiji-Japanese consider whale as food, and the hippies consider them as super intelligent beings... etc etc

Captain Paul Watson in defense of the Sea Shepherd campaign. "It is our business to interfere with human communities that commit cruelty and slaughter in the name of culture. The right of the dolphins and whales to live, free of fear from human atrocity takes precedence over the rights of any hominid culture. Our answer to the Japanese dolphin killers is to stop waging war on the culture of the dolphins."

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[japslapper]

This page covers some stuff - typical of the "Cult of the Cetaceans"



http://www.mphelsinki.net/t145403.html

We can be anywhere. As I said before, my contact with dolphins began in the
living room of my house where I was sitting in meditation. When you can get into
that quiet space and focus on them, they'll be there. I like to go into the
shower, the bathtub or the pool since being in the water enhances communication.
Water is a conduit for sending and receiving information. Vibrational
frequencies travel eight times faster in water than in the air. When you get a
feeling that you want to make contact, just do it right then.

Dolphins and whales come into the dreamtime, during our sleep, and, for me, they
even enter conversations I have with people. Even at times when I'm writing on
the computer they will suddenly come in.

[Caustic Saint]

Of course, the real question here is - when will Japslapper appear on CNN, and will he be sporting the FG logo?

[japslapper]

I want one! For PRing FG on CNN do I get it for free?