Matrix Revolutions ****SPOILER ALERT****

[American Oyaji]

OK,
Lets take this baby apart.

What kind of program is Sati, that she can create a beautiful sunrise for neo?

Anyone notice that the end of the movie didn't have that "green" tone anymore?

[Caustic Saint]

Ummmm...is she PhotoShop?

[American Oyaji]

AO slaps Caustic upside the head with a bowl of cold, rancid noodles for his insolence

[Caustic Saint]

AO slaps Caustic upside the head with a bowl of cold, rancid noodles for his insolence

Insolent? Nah, if I'd wanted to be insolent I would've said MS Paint. :P

ducking to avoid further noodle barrages

[American Oyaji]

Ultra,
I realize that, but the difference between this thread and that one is that THAT thread is SPOILER FREE.

This one is to discuss the meaning of what stuff was in the film.

That one is to discuss personal reactions without discussing plot points.

[American Oyaji]

I don't have any friends there.
I like discussing movies with friends.

[NeoNecroNomiCron]

[Naniwan Kid]

I have to admit I was a bit disappointed in Revolutions. The action was excellent, especially the robots in the dock, but the end left me a bit pissed. Too many questions were hardly answered, or their answer was rushed.

"Oh yeah, the real world IS the real world...and the twins, I guess they died".

The Christian ending didn't do it for me either.

[NeoNecroNomiCron]

[Caustic Saint]

My Neo/Smith theory.

Neo lets Smith "overwrite him."
Smith thinks he's won, but Neo is not fully overwritten. (Much like the Oracle isn't fully overwritten.)
The "main machine" (listed in the credits as Deus Ex Machina) kills Neo's body. This happens when you see DEM shock Neo through the wires.
Neo's death destroys the copy of Smith that's overwritten him, setting off a chain reaction in all the other Smiths.
Neo's body is dead and is carted off by the machines in a manner very reminiscent of the Arthurian legend.
Neo's not completely gone, and his mind has most likely been converted to a program.

As for the twins - yeah! Where the hell were they? They're plainly visible getting launched from their exploding Escalade in Reloaded, so where'd they go next. The'd gone "ghost" so I don't think the explosion did them in.

What I wish they'd done re: the Oracle was have the "there is no spoon" kid be her new shell. Of course, the "making cookies with Sati" sequence wouldn't have worked as well - and they probably wouldn't have him smoking - but I would've found it more interesting an angle to take.

Other thoughts: Could Trinity have taken any longer to die? Could the Merovingian be given any less screentime? Could they have re-used more of the lobby scene from the first movie in the upside-down fight?

[NeoNecroNomiCron]

What I wish they'd done re: the Oracle was have the "there is no spoon" kid be her new shell. Of course, the "making cookies with Sati" sequence wouldn't have worked as well - and they probably wouldn't have him smoking - but I would've found it more interesting an angle to take.

Other thoughts: Could Trinity have taken any longer to die? Could the Merovingian be given any less screentime? Could they have re-used more of the lobby scene from the first movie in the upside-down fight?

I dont think the Oracle cour take a young persons body. I would think the Oracle would of been considerate to humans so she would only take the bodies of the old and dieing some rule like that.

The camera angle looking at neos back to trinitys face was so crappy. Jusk looking at the way neo was holding her seemed bad acting. I knoe the lobby scene was a bit crap but remember that trinity and morphy are still human so they only have the same powers as they always had i.e. trinitys jump kick. If you have seen the Animatrix and the wone with the weird japanese haunted house(the garden i think its called) that room had some of the same properties. I would of liked to see a room that totaly had diferent laws of physics. If you have seen cube2 hypercube you could get some idea what they could of done with a room.

This film is intentionaly left open ended to get people talking so they will get more sales of all the DVD's(and game and comic and what ever next...) so people can 'understand' what happened. The thing I understand is that it is a clever way to get more sales. But I have access to the matrix called emule ha ha.

[kamome]

Trinity's death took too long. Impaled by three or four metal spikes and able to speak in complete sentences, calmly for 3 or 4 minutes? Come on.

Only one effective sniper in the dock defense sequence?

With the millions of squids flying through the dock, they could have just swarmed right over and through the defending mechs without a problem. The squids could have won that battle in 2 seconds with their sheer numbers.

Anybody figure out how Smith was able to take over Bain's body? Didn't catch it in Reloaded.

Was Neo's final battle with Smith a rip off of Goku vs. Bejita in Dragonball Z (huge energy explosions with each punch, the flying around, etc.)?

[Caustic Saint]

With reloaded and revelations the brothers where the directors. In 'the matrix' the where only the directors of the special FX. That may be a reason that a lot of you feel that Reloaded and Revelations feels different.

I dunno where you got that from, it's just not true. Some obvious reasons the subsequent films failed to live up to the first were that the first film was so good and had a lot of things we hadn't seen before, success has a way of going to your head and more money doesn't make a better film. I have no doubt the studio machine exerted a lot more influence on the sequels in order to squeeze the most out of the franchise.

I saw it as being the opposite of that. The studio saw what they could do with the first one, and gave them too much freedom with the sequels. The dialogue, story and pacing weren't as good in the sequels. They got too wrapped up in telling things one way, without looking at whether or not it'd work on film.

[devicenull]

the neo = jesus thing pissed me off. the ending sucked, and the fight scenes were more or less crap. The original was only good because it came out of no where... if they could have put the highway chase into the first movie somehow and stopped there, it would have been perfect. My only satisfaction come from the fact that i didnt pay to see this movie.. matrix within a matrix followed by a 13th Floor ending ripoff would have been better than what we got. and i have a personal gripe with the plot hole that was left open with the whole "OMG I CAN KILL THE MACHINES OUTSIDE OF THE MATRIX TOO" shit. they didnt so much explain the reason as they used it more, and then magically decided that he couldnt do it anymore.

The only thing that made this movie tolerable was the fact that I watched a Cam of it and it was done in a theatre full of black people. The best moment of the entire movie was when some random guy said "Damn, that shit is whack"

[jim katta]

I was starting to wonder if I was the only one who noticed that Trinity's death lasted waaaaay too long. Die already. Other than that, I enjoyed "Revolutions". I think they could have made it more edgy though by killing off Morpheus in "Reloaded". It would have been okay since in "Revolutions" he just plays sidekick to Trinity and then Jada Pinkett, other than that he's useless during the entire film. I also like the fact that the first human to reach the machine city is blind, so there's like this 'no human has ever laid eyes on the machine city' that is maintained. I agree with the comments that certain dialogue was hammered home too much: "every program has a purpose" "every beginning has an end" blah blah. But considering the vast amount of people who seem to misunderstand even the original matrix, I can't blame the directors for being a little pedantic.