J-Companies ordered to become profitable

[Samurai_Jerk]

Is it the skilled workers like engineers that tend to have large families?

If they're filling holes in the workforce, they tend to have the money to afford whatever family size they want.

People with money tend to have smaller families. It's people at the lower end of the socioeconomic scale that crank out babies.

[matsuki]

Is it the skilled workers like engineers that tend to have large families?

If they're filling holes in the workforce, they tend to have the money to afford whatever family size they want.

People with money tend to have smaller families. It's people at the lower end of the socioeconomic scale that crank out babies.

Which I would agree with in principle except we're seeing the opposite phenomenon here, no? Financial worry leading couples to choose not to have kids. (unless you count young and dumb/single mother situations but that seems to happen everywhere) Well, that and the fact that porn, tenga, and chikan seem to have replaced sex for some of the male population with social issues.

[Coligny]

Is it the skilled workers like engineers that tend to have large families?

If they're filling holes in the workforce, they tend to have the money to afford whatever family size they want.

Sumbody didun't heard aboot the suicide of the intellectual class...

Hint: usually, breeders are low IQ...

Cf: idiocracy

[matsuki]

LOL, and I'm agreeing that's "usually" the case...just not what we've seen here. All the 3+ children J-families I personally know here are middle to upper class. I can count at least 15 J-people I know who have 0-1 children that aren't as well off financially and many have said their financial situation is the reason they don't have any or more children.

[Coligny]

Typical self guilt * inflicting capitalist porky pig thinking. .(* if you are poor it's because you didn't work hard enough to be as self made successful as Donald Trump or Paris Hilton)

Money=/=smart especially in japan.

Spend 5 minutes with new gen. doctors on their days off... And shudder... Those people can't find their asses with 2 hands and a flashlight.

[matsuki]

OK, so let's get off the population/immigration topic for a sec...and back to what J-Companies are doing to become profitable...

Recently in my market, as well as everything from fashion to fabric softener, I've noticed many Japanese companies/brands selling their own foreign competition's products right next to their own? I have to imagine this eats into their own product's market share as well as encourages more market saturation (with smaller margin for them, even if they are profiting from it) It seems like a short term solution that will eventually create bigger problems for them unless they manage to negotiate exclusivity on the distribution of the foreign products and create margin while keeping sales. Thoughts?

[IparryU]

OK, so let's get off the population/immigration topic for a sec...and back to what J-Companies are doing to become profitable...

Recently in my market, as well as everything from fashion to fabric softener, I've noticed many Japanese companies/brands selling their own foreign competition's products right next to their own? I have to imagine this eats into their own product's market share as well as encourages more market saturation (with smaller margin for them, even if they are profiting from it) It seems like a short term solution that will eventually create bigger problems for them unless they manage to negotiate exclusivity on the distribution of the foreign products and create margin while keeping sales. Thoughts?

Giving consumers a choice of products is always the best way to sell a domestic product. The more limitations they have the less chance they will buy.

More so with the Japanese, they will locate the made in japland stuff because it is "better x".

But, if they want the fg stuffs, the shop still gets some cash.

Japan just needs to do some serious adjustments to their business model... Firing all the useless oyaji would be a good start.

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[wuchan]

The model isn't totally broken. I do agree that the companies should be profitable but we have all benifited from the fucked up economy that is japan.

Example one: Cell phones. Carriers in japan have had controll over every part of keitai development until apple came allong. Docomo didn't want to carry apple because they wouldn't allow Docomo to help develop the product. Enter Samsung. In the US samsoung has huge issues with quality but here in Japan the phones are some of the best in the world (untill Docomo makes an "update"). Samsoung is willing to spend more money per handset for the Japanese market because they are not bound by price like they are in the US. In the US people expect new phones for free or for a very low cost every two years when they sign a new contract. Here you pay for the phone and expect everything for 9 man. In the Us the Galaxy S5 were purchased and later discovered to not have cameras. What happened? Nothing. Would that fly here? Fuck no. Docomo, samsoung's #1 retailer would sever all ties and they would be out of the market for a very long time. Consumer wins.

Example two: Televisions. (costco does not count here) In the denki shops LG and Samsoung seemed to be shut out. There is a reason. In the US the Korean TVs have a reputation for fucking up after about three years. In the US people just say "shit it's like a computer, time to buy another". Here in Japan? Fuck no. Ten years minimum.


From my experience, the more "global" a japanese company becomes, the shiier the quality is. Yes Honda and Toyota are excptions. Outside those two? Not many examples.

INB4Frenchfuck....... Google Infiniti DAS and the total fuckup that is the q50.

[Coligny]

There was an import ban on samsung LCD products (TV/monitors), don't know if it has been lifted. No link with the 3 year lifespan I think.
Plus, 3 years is an eternity by LCD standards... 3 years ago you got a 15" for today's price of a 37"

INB4Frenchfuck....... Google Infiniti DAS and the total fuckup that is the q50.

You mean the -now fixed by firmware upgrade- software bug in sub zero temperature ? You really get your pencildick hard over nothing...
Like the rest of your post, wishfull lalaland dreaming postured as valid argument...

Us the Galaxy S5 were purchased and later discovered to not have cameras.

Say what ? next time you pull stuff out of your ass, try to put perfume to cover the shit smell...

[Coligny]

From my experience, the more "global" a japanese company becomes, the shiier the quality is. Yes Honda and Toyota are excptions. Outside those two? Not many examples.

Totoya had more recall these days than I can even remember...

[Russell]

Say what ? next time you pull stuff out of your ass, try to put perfume to cover the shit smell...

Had a bad day, Coligny?

[IparryU]

Say what ? next time you pull stuff out of your ass, try to put perfume to cover the shit smell...

Had a bad day, Coligny?

"And here we go!" ~Mike Goldberg, UFC Commentator

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[Coligny]

Say what ? next time you pull stuff out of your ass, try to put perfume to cover the shit smell...

Had a bad day, Coligny?

No, just sumbody's wrong on th3 interwab...

[wuchan]

The DAS "software" fix didn't work. There are cases where people lost ALL steering ability even after the software upgrade.

http://www.infinitiq50.org/forum/proble ... -work.html

Nevermind the "hyper active" and "annoying" nanny gear that all the car magazines seem to hate. Just about everyone agrees that if you want to buy a small infiniti, buy a G37 not a Q50. The car is being marketed as a 3 series rival but it feels more like a bad playstation game.

Toyota recalls happen all the time, the same happens at renault, fiat, VW, bmw, merc, GM, ford, holden and every other auto manufacturer. Sure there was the sticky gas pedal issue but that was more of a management problem than a quality or engineering issue. Canidian supplier delivered shit out of spec, factory was given the green light to use it any way, factory saw an issue shortly after, Japan took six months to have some meetings to decide what to do.


As for the TV thing, All I know is my Sharp 40" still works fine after about nine years. I never had a problem, ever. It gets used 3-10 hours a day. Everyone I know that bought a Korean TV started having problems after one year.


The camera thing is somewhere in here I believe:
http://www.consumeraffairs.com/cell_pho ... hones.html

[Samurai_Jerk]

LOL, and I'm agreeing that's "usually" the case...just not what we've seen here. All the 3+ children J-families I personally know here are middle to upper class. I can count at least 15 J-people I know who have 0-1 children that aren't as well off financially and many have said their financial situation is the reason they don't have any or more children.

That's called anecdotal evidence. Show me the statistics.

[IparryU]

LOL, and I'm agreeing that's "usually" the case...just not what we've seen here. All the 3+ children J-families I personally know here are middle to upper class. I can count at least 15 J-people I know who have 0-1 children that aren't as well off financially and many have said their financial situation is the reason they don't have any or more children.

That's called anecdotal evidence. Show me the statistics.

We (meaning Taro) need to get a list of all the stats and with links.

Like of hella stuff, and update the OP.

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[Coligny]

Blaaarghh

The thread quoted is from on poster with really little post count who then disappear from the forum. Not exactly convincing. Also, journalist love to talk about the "real feeling" of hydraulic powersteering against electric powersteering, so it's normal they bark against drive by wire solution... Not sure if they know what they are talking aboot or if it's just the thing to say to get street cred though... Anyway... 1 advanced -optionnal- new tech might not be totally ready... That does not make a car company shitty... If they were fucking up with established thing, then yes... Like throttle control... For example...

Toyota went from no recall to "up the wazoo" in no time... Sure Fiat or GM may be the same... They are also considered shitty car companies, therefore... Totoya being like them, don't fit anylonger as reliable maker like Honda...

Ten years ago you bought a 40" someone remember the price back then ? I could be wrong, but wasn't it in the million yen range ?

As for galaxy phones... Plug it back up your ass... Or fear the chimney effect with your brain...

[wuchan]

Blaaarghh

The thread quoted is from on poster with really little post count who then disappear from the forum. Not exactly convincing. Also, journalist love to talk about the "real feeling" of hydraulic powersteering against electric powersteering, so it's normal they bark against drive by wire solution... Not sure if they know what they are talking aboot or if it's just the thing to say to get street cred though... Anyway... 1 advanced -optionnal- new tech might not be totally ready... That does not make a car company shitty... If they were fucking up with established thing, then yes... Like throttle control... For example...

Toyota went from no recall to "up the wazoo" in no time... Sure Fiat or GM may be the same... They are also considered shitty car companies, therefore... Totoya being like them, don't fit anylonger as reliable maker like Honda...

Ten years ago you bought a 40" someone remember the price back then ? I could be wrong, but wasn't it in the million yen range ?

As for galaxy phones... Plug it back up your ass... Or fear the chimney effect with your brain...

DAS and active lane departure are standard on all Nissan Skylyne Hybrids in Japan. You can't buy the car without them. You also can't buy the 3.7L non hybrid version in Japan. At the same time they only offer the G sedan with the 2.5l engine. If you wan't a 300+ HP nissan with a rear seat you have to get the G coupe, which barely has a rear seat, or pony up the cash for the GTR. Or you can buy the Q50 and feel like you are a shitty driver because the car is constantly telling you to stop driving.

The "good" Q50 should come out in the next two years but it's going to cost over 6 million yen and, according to people at nissan's R&D, it will likely have an AMG powerplant. There are currently three prototypes. One has an AMG V8, one has a TTV6 and the third has a Nissan V8 from the US market. The "high performance" verson won't have all the high tech nanny gear and may not even have the dual touch screens. I do quite a bit of work with these folks, they know the Q50 is a flop and are scrambling to fix it. The problem is the engineers have less power than the marketing and sales folks and are forced to do things they probably shouldn't. Almost none of these guys drive the new cars, most of them have old GTRs and Silvias.

[matsuki]

they know the Q50 is a flop and are scrambling to fix it. The problem is the engineers have less power than the marketing and sales folks and are forced to do things they probably shouldn't. Almost none of these guys drive the new cars, most of them have old GTRs and Silvias.

THIS is a problem at many companies here...

[Coligny]

At Nissan, that would be accounting over everything else.
Certainly getting tired of paying and waiting too long for the ROI...

[Russell]

Panel recommends new visa status for special strategic zones

Expert advisers on a project to set up special strategic zones for economic growth proposed on Monday the introduction of a new visa status for foreigners who start new businesses in Japan, while promoting housekeeping and baby-sitting jobs for foreigners in the zones.

The members of the council, including Keio University professor Heizo Takenaka and Boston Consulting Group partner Reiko Akiike, proposed creating more jobs for foreign nationals to assist with household chores in an effort to boost women’s participation in the labor force by freeing them up from such work.

They are only 20 years late with that. When Japan was still rich, young people could afford a cheap babysitter. Not so anymore.

To encourage more foreigners to do businesses in Japan, the advisers called for the creation of a new visa status for foreigners wishing to start businesses here and for those working at startups.

“These are just initial proposals, but we will surely discuss them,” said Yoshitaka Shindo, the minister of Internal Affairs of Communications during Monday’s news conference. “And we hope to include some of the proposals in the revised economic growth strategies” that Prime Minister Shinzo Abe is expected to announce in June.

If realized, the proposals would be introduced in some of the special zones where economic growth strategies are being promoted. One of the six zones to be established will cover several municipalities in Tokyo, Chiba and Kanagawa.

I have this great business idea: importing rice and wheat from the U.S. without the levies, and sell it in those "special zones"...

As part of his strategies, Abe hopes to encourage more women to join the workforce. Many have expressed willingness to work but remain homebound due to child-rearing and household chores, experts say.

Link

Right, looks like they don't want cheap rice and wheat, but rather need North Koreans to change their babies' pampers...

[Samurai_Jerk]

As part of his strategies, Abe hopes to encourage more women to join the workforce. Many have expressed willingness to work but remain homebound due to child-rearing and household chores, experts say.

I like the implied assumption that all those working mothers in other countries have maids and nannies to handle the housework.

[Wage Slave]

As part of his strategies, Abe hopes to encourage more women to join the workforce. Many have expressed willingness to work but remain homebound due to child-rearing and household chores, experts say.

I like the implied assumption that all those working mothers in other countries have maids and nannies to handle the housework.

A hell of a lot in London do have au pairs. A full time, salaried (ie loads of random overtime) job is impossible without one. Said au pairs don't get much money but they do get English language school and practice out of the deal. Not sure if Japan can make the same offer and whether it would be attractive enough.

[IparryU]

As part of his strategies, Abe hopes to encourage more women to join the workforce. Many have expressed willingness to work but remain homebound due to child-rearing and household chores, experts say.

I like the implied assumption that all those working mothers in other countries have maids and nannies to handle the housework.

for real though... these OLs get so much random (mandatory) overtime there is no way in hell they can do everything while their husband is working the same hours.

Not to mention, the daycare staff are super time nazis... 5 minutes late without a call and they throw an attitude. That and the latest you can have a kid is like 1800 and you need some special "permission" to have your kid watched until 2000. Getting home by 1800 is a fucking challenge when you work in a j-company. So how are they going to get to a daycare, which is most likely incon-fucking-venient to get to, by 1800??

Good luck ladies. Japland is just going to keep goose-marching backwards.

[Samurai_Jerk]

As part of his strategies, Abe hopes to encourage more women to join the workforce. Many have expressed willingness to work but remain homebound due to child-rearing and household chores, experts say.

I like the implied assumption that all those working mothers in other countries have maids and nannies to handle the housework.

A hell of a lot in London do have au pairs. A full time, salaried (ie loads of random overtime) job is impossible without one. Said au pairs don't get much money but they do get English language school and practice out of the deal. Not sure if Japan can make the same offer and whether it would be attractive enough.

You're talking about upper class people working in the city. I guarantee that there are plenty of working and middle class families that don't have au pairs. I'm not saying they don't have other options but more au pairs, nanny's, or whatever the fuck you want to call them ain't going to solve the problem for most people in Japan or anywhere else. It's things like maternity leave and state subsidized daycare that tend to help the masses. That leads to other questions like:

Can the country afford to pay for daycare?
Should the government force companies to offer extended maternity leave?

[Wage Slave]

You're talking about upper class people working in the city.

No, I'm not. They have nannies and such.

I guarantee that there are plenty of working and middle class families that don't have au pairs.

And I can assure you that many do. And we are talking school teachers and that sort of thing.

I'm not saying they don't have other options but more au pairs, nanny's, or whatever the fuck you want to call them ain't going to solve the problem for most people in Japan or anywhere else. It's things like maternity leave and state subsidized daycare that tend to help the masses. That leads to other questions like:

Can the country afford to pay for daycare?
Should the government force companies to offer extended maternity leave?

Daycare and maternity leave are only bits of the problem. They don't solve all the problems by any means - sickness, overtime, transport, routine doctor's appointments, and lots lots more. It's impossible unless you have a relative or someone (in big cities an au pair usually) to help. Perhaps you have experienced otherwise - I'd be interested to know where.

[Samurai_Jerk]

I also see no evidence that increasing women's ability to participate in the workforce leads to more children. Western Europe where things are probably best for working mothers isn't exactly experiencing a baby boom. I realize that might not be your point but I'm still thinking about what choko posted earlier.

My experience with au pairs is strictly trying to pick up barely legal euro trash in NYC who work for rich WASPs and Jews on Connecticut's Gold Coast.

[Wage Slave]

So is the increasing birth rate in places like the UK and France (data presented earlier) due to immigration alone then? Or something else?

[Samurai_Jerk]

So is the increasing birth rate in places like the UK and France (data presented earlier) due to immigration alone then?

Most likely.

[Wage Slave]

So is the increasing birth rate in places like the UK and France (data presented earlier) due to immigration alone then?

Most likely.

Actually the data shows (I am told) that immigrant communities have a higher birth rate and that the indigenous population's birth rate has increased over the last 20 years or so.