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Re: Dangerous FG-run Enterprise Busted

Postby omae mona » Wed May 21, 2014 7:08 am

wagyl wrote:Reports that he received a number of warnings do make it surprising that the guy continued to let his place out, but I think it is a stretch to say that the place is a death trap, any more than a dinky little place I am aware of near Yoyogi is.


No, certainly I don't have evidence that it was specifically a deathtrap. But the tendency for lodgings to be deathtraps is exactly one of the reasons that most governments worldwide regulate hotels. Most societies seem to say it's better to enforce standards in that area than leave it up to individual operators. Same way we issue driver's licenses, restaurant licenses, etc. Obviously the regulation is far from perfect, and plenty of things go wrong anyway (food poisoning, idiotic drivers, etc.). But I think it would be a stretch to say that the regulation doesn't significantly increase safety.

This one guy saying "I'm special; I don't need to be regulated like all these other hotels" is just an asshole. My guess is that (especially given his comment about super low prices) part of his shtick was also being specially cheap about providing for the safety of his guests. But it's just a guess. Without him becoming licensed, we will never know if his lodging was safe or not, and that's the problem.

Regarding airbnb I don't know much about it and don't have much of an opinion (there seem to be pros and cons) but
wagyl wrote:(My personal view is that it is nothing like a hotel and everything like a rental, only the lease is for 5 days not 730 days.)

Sorry to go back to fire safety again, and I'm speaking of the U.S. specifically, but rentals don't come supplied with smoke detectors, fire extinguishers, etc. When I move into a rental, I bring that stuff with me. When I check into a hotel, I tend not to pack those in my suitcase. I rest a bit easier knowing the government at least makes an attempt to make sure the lodging operator has them in working condition.
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Re: Dangerous FG-run Enterprise Busted

Postby Coligny » Wed May 21, 2014 8:52 am

omae mona wrote:
Sorry to go back to fire safety again, and I'm speaking of the U.S. specifically, but rentals don't come supplied with smoke detectors, fire extinguishers, etc. When I move into a rental, I bring that stuff with me. When I check into a hotel, I tend not to pack those in my suitcase. I rest a bit easier knowing the government at least makes an attempt to make sure the lodging operator has them in working condition.



you sure ?

http://firesafety.vermont.gov/safety_is ... oke_alarms

http://firesafety.vermont.gov/sites/fir ... 0guide.pdf

for existing buildings:
Hardwired into the building electric system
with battery backup will be required if
alarms are not being maintained.



for new buildings:
All smoke alarms within the dwelling unit
must be interconnected


ok, it's vermont... but (...)
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Re: Dangerous FG-run Enterprise Busted

Postby kurogane » Wed May 21, 2014 9:08 am

So he's a published historian running a cheap flop house without a licence???? Whadda maroon!!!!!!!!

Japanese Military Strategy in the Pacific War: Was Defeat Inevitable?
by James B. Wood


In this provocative history, James B. Wood challenges the received wisdom that Japan's defeat in the Pacific was historically inevitable. He argues instead that it was only when the Japanese military prematurely abandoned its original sound strategic plan--to secure the resources Japan needed and establish a viable defensible perimeter for the Empire--that the Allies were able to regain the initiative and lock Japanese forces into a war of attrition they were not prepared to fight. The book persuasively shows how the Japanese army and navy had both the opportunity and the capability to have fought a different and more successful war in the Pacific that could have influenced the course and outcome of World War II. It is therefore a study both of Japanese defeat and of what was needed to achieve a potential Japanese victory, or at the very least, to avoid total ruin. Wood's argument does not depend on signal individual historical events or dramatic accidents. Instead it examines how familiar events could have become more complicated or problematic under different, but nevertheless historically possible, conditions due to changes in the complex interaction of strategic and operational factors over time. Wood concludes that fighting a different war was well within the capacities of imperial Japan. He underscores the fact that the enormous task of achieving total military victory over Japan would have been even more difficult, perhaps too difficult, if the Japanese had waged a different war and the Allies had not fought as skillfully as they did. If Japan had traveled that alternate military road, the outcome of the Pacific War could have differed significantly from that we know so well-and, perhaps a little too complacently, accept.


You'd think he might have learned a lesson or 2 from what sounds like a comprehensive and imaginative study. :cry2:

As for the firetrap problem, somebody on Gaijinnot mentioned that even though the building looks solid enough it might not be quite up to fire and safety standards. Apparently new or lapsed licences must adhere to the latest regulations, while the older Aoyama-Sou type fleatraps are grandfathered. Not wanting to invest the necessary he seems to have come up with the clever dodge that it was a room sharing arrangement and thus exempt; the opinions that count say different. At any rate, he's quite a good grave digger. He's Oscar Wilded himself pretty well here.


As to the attraction of new talent, are entrepeneurs a stated target of the new drive, or aren't they looking for foreign help at existing companies? I would say the latter, but don't know fer schur. I remember reading something awhile ago about the perceived need to jumpstart the Zombie Kaisha that litter the econoscape.
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Re: Dangerous FG-run Enterprise Busted

Postby Coligny » Wed May 21, 2014 9:17 am

Historians don't do "what if"

These are called SciFi writers...
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Re: Dangerous FG-run Enterprise Busted

Postby GomiGirl » Wed May 21, 2014 9:30 am

I wonder how he was found out - nosey neighbours?

At the first sign of trouble, he should have shut up shop and moved along to a new place. (Just my two yen).

Note to self - speed dial update. :wink:
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Re: Dangerous FG-run Enterprise Busted

Postby kurogane » Wed May 21, 2014 9:40 am

Probably that old guy interviewed in the news video. He did mention that "it was all a little creepy".

As a hypothetical, are AirBnB rentals not required to show proof of proper licencing or adherence to standards???? That would help explain some of the current backlash and crackdown, though as Samurai Jerk might point out the aggressive lobbying of the Hotel and Ryokan Associations would probably explain much more. Also, what sort of apartments don't have at least rudimentary fire and smoke alarms these days? I have lived in some pretty antiquated shiite, and they all had battery operated ones all through the building.

Still no mention of it on the English Interwebz. Is this a coverup???? We need some plumbers.
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Re: Dangerous FG-run Enterprise Busted

Postby inflames » Wed May 21, 2014 11:13 am

kurogane wrote:
As a hypothetical, are AirBnB rentals not required to show proof of proper licencing or adherence to standards????

None of that is required, as you literally can rent out your spare bedroom. I know people who do it (and make good money) in Osaka.

Places like the NY state government are throwing a hissy fit because they're going to lose out on taxes and the (ridiculously overpriced) NYC hotels are probably also throwing another hissy fit (who wouldn't like $200 a night at the Holiday Inn?).

Apparently the license isn't too hard to get, but knowing Japan the trick is to apply three times (with the same or slightly different paperwork).
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Re: Dangerous FG-run Enterprise Busted

Postby Samurai_Jerk » Wed May 21, 2014 11:31 am

Coligny wrote:
omae mona wrote:
Sorry to go back to fire safety again, and I'm speaking of the U.S. specifically, but rentals don't come supplied with smoke detectors, fire extinguishers, etc. When I move into a rental, I bring that stuff with me. When I check into a hotel, I tend not to pack those in my suitcase. I rest a bit easier knowing the government at least makes an attempt to make sure the lodging operator has them in working condition.



you sure ?

http://firesafety.vermont.gov/safety_is ... oke_alarms

http://firesafety.vermont.gov/sites/fir ... 0guide.pdf

for existing buildings:
Hardwired into the building electric system
with battery backup will be required if
alarms are not being maintained.



for new buildings:
All smoke alarms within the dwelling unit
must be interconnected


ok, it's vermont... but (...)


Every rental I've ever lived in the US or Japan had smoke alarms. I can't remember whether or not there were fire extinguishers in my US rentals but the ones in Japan definitely had them in the hallways including the place I live now.
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Re: Dangerous FG-run Enterprise Busted

Postby Mulboyne » Wed May 21, 2014 8:46 pm

Long time no show etc etc.

This thread caught my eye and, since there are many FGs in the airbnb business, I thought I'd add this news item from last month:

http://www.nikkei.com/article/DGXNASFS1 ... 4A4EE8000/

安く宿泊、外国人観光客を特区誘致 政府が空きアパート活用

政府は国家戦略特区の指定地域で、アパートやマンションの空き部屋を外国人観光客向けの宿泊施設として使えるようにする。東京都・神奈川県・千葉県の首都圏や大阪府・京都府・兵庫県の関西圏が対象になる見込みだ。外国人観光客が安い宿泊費で日本に長く滞在できるようにする狙い。

 現在の旅館業法では原則として、客が泊まる期間が30日未満の施設では旅館業法に基づいてフロントを設ける必要がある。今月から施行した国家戦略特区に関する政省令で、特区内なら7日以上の滞在を条件に旅館業法の適用を外して、普通のアパートにも客を泊められるようになる。

 政府は訪日外国人数を2013年の約1000万人から30年までに3000万人超に増やすことを目指しており、特区の規制緩和で後押しする。国家戦略特区に指定された自治体は5月をめどに、詳しい計画をまとめて特区の立ち上げを目指す。


You've probably heard about these special economic zones (SEZ) where the government hopes to attract more foreign companies and skilled foreign workers through more liberal regulation. Cick on the image accompanying this Japan Times article to see the ones in Tokyo:

http://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2013/0 ... usinesses/

That article above says one of the businesses you'll be able to conduct in these zones is letting tourists pay to stay in ordinary apartments.

Currently, anything place offering lodging for less than 30 days needs to be covered by the hotel law. Under this proposal, you can get around that requirement in an SEZ so long as the stay is over 7 nights.

That seems to be legitimize airbnb business but you'll need to do it in the right place. Adachi ward is not an SEZ.

From the timing, it wouldn't surprise me if this guy was arrested to reinforce the point that this privilege only applies to apartments in SEZs. It's not much of a competitive advantage if everyone is allowed to do it.

Of course, it might be nothing to do with this change. The hotel lobby is losing out to airbnb and they have never been shy about enforcing their rights. Not so many years ago, serviced apartment chains like Oakwood were doing short term deals on the sly, to keep occupancy rates up during a lean spell. The hotels complained and the serviced apartment guys had to go back to minimum 30 day contracts.

Still I'd be surprised if the police action had nothing to do with the deregulation.

Incidentally, SJ is right about Thai tourists. They were the fastest growing segment last year - off the top of my head, I think numbers were up around 75%. The main reason is that, from the 1st July 2013, Japan began offering visa exemption for Thai nationals visiting the country for less than 15 days:

http://www.th.emb-japan.go.jp/en/consul ... #exemption
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Re: Dangerous FG-run Enterprise Busted

Postby Samurai_Jerk » Wed May 21, 2014 8:55 pm

You honor me with your most esteemed participation in my thread, Mulboyne-sama.
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Re: Dangerous FG-run Enterprise Busted

Postby Wage Slave » Wed May 21, 2014 9:29 pm

The other issue, albeit civil rather than criminal, with what this guy was doing is that normally landlords normally forbid sub letting. Even if what you are doing is permitted in general you also have to either own the property or have struck an agreement with the owner to sublet.
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Re: Dangerous FG-run Enterprise Busted

Postby GomiGirl » Wed May 21, 2014 9:33 pm

Anecdotal evidence suggests that hotel rooms are hard to come by as tourism is up.

But Mulboyne, thanks for this link. It is great.
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Re: Dangerous FG-run Enterprise Busted

Postby wagyl » Wed May 21, 2014 10:07 pm

My brain said "but what about the so called 'weekly mansions'?"

I don't know when it happened, but they have mostly become the Hotel Mystays Chain. Since the "rebranding campaign" is still going on it might be quite recently.
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Re: Dangerous FG-run Enterprise Busted

Postby omae mona » Wed May 21, 2014 10:24 pm

Great link, Mulb. Where's the "like" button? I had missed that news. The article says the hotel regulations won't apply in the special zones for the conditions you mentioned, but I wonder if they are putting any other regulations in its place (the article doesn't explicitly say). I am guessing there must be *something*. It can't be the case that a 7-day stay falls under standard landlord-tenant rules for a long-term lease, can it? Among other issues, I assume that would grant these 7-day stayers all the rights that Tokyo's very tenant-friendly laws grant (e.g. right to keep renewing your lease, etc., I believe).
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Re: Dangerous FG-run Enterprise Busted

Postby wagyl » Wed May 21, 2014 10:34 pm

I don't know any of the details but pure conjecture says that since rates for a week are usually more than a quarter of rates for a month, the landlords are not going to be upset if you renew your lease, so long as you continue to pay.
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Re: Dangerous FG-run Enterprise Busted

Postby Mulboyne » Fri May 23, 2014 8:03 am

There are two articles on one response to the deregulation in the SEZs today

http://www.chunichi.co.jp/s/article/201 ... 01506.html

http://www.news24.jp/articles/2014/05/22/07251642.html

Able (http://www.able.co.jp/) is tieing up with Tomareru (https://tomareru.jp/) to launch a service this autumn aimed at offering apartment rooms to tourists. I think that makes it even more likely our man in Adachi was swept up to send a message.
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Re: Dangerous FG-run Enterprise Busted

Postby Samurai_Jerk » Fri May 23, 2014 10:36 am

Mulboyne wrote:There are two articles on one response to the deregulation in the SEZs today

http://www.chunichi.co.jp/s/article/201 ... 01506.html

http://www.news24.jp/articles/2014/05/22/07251642.html

Able (http://www.able.co.jp/) is tieing up with Tomareru (https://tomareru.jp/) to launch a service this autumn aimed at offering apartment rooms to tourists. I think that makes it even more likely our man in Adachi was swept up to send a message.


This seems like a strange deregulation to restrict to the SEZs if it's really about tourism.
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Re: Dangerous FG-run Enterprise Busted

Postby kurogane » Fri May 23, 2014 11:16 am

Samurai_Jerk wrote:
This seems like a strange deregulation to restrict to the SEZs if it's really about tourism.


Ya figger!? Let us imagine islands of apartments with extremely high vacancy rates in easily identified sectors of the city, perhaps sectors that have been rather depressed of late. Then let us imagine many of these are owned by powerful business interests looking to cash in on the coming Olympic market that happen to have the ear of powerful regulators and politicians ready to do their bidding in exchange for, shall we say, Future Considerations and Good Offices

No..........you're right...........strange............. ;)

But let us do hope this doesn't lead to a petty, niggling crackdown on small fry that run, say, AirBnB type arrangements (hypothetically speaking, of course). I prefer the anonymity of a Toyoko Inn (and the breakfast, too); I guess I prefer to be a customer rather than a guest, but I know loads of normal people that really dig the whole AirBnB groove. It really does have a nice, more personal, anti-corporate vibe to it.
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Re: Dangerous FG-run Enterprise Busted

Postby Samurai_Jerk » Fri May 23, 2014 12:08 pm

kurogane wrote:
Samurai_Jerk wrote:
This seems like a strange deregulation to restrict to the SEZs if it's really about tourism.


Ya figger!? Let us imagine islands of apartments with extremely high vacancy rates in easily identified sectors of the city, perhaps sectors that have been rather depressed of late. Then let us imagine many of these are owned by powerful business interests looking to cash in on the coming Olympic market that happen to have the ear of powerful regulators and politicians ready to do their bidding in exchange for, shall we say, Future Considerations and Good Offices

No..........you're right...........strange............. ;)

But let us do hope this doesn't lead to a petty, niggling crackdown on small fry that run, say, AirBnB type arrangements (hypothetically speaking, of course). I prefer the anonymity of a Toyoko Inn (and the breakfast, too); I guess I prefer to be a customer rather than a guest, but I know loads of normal people that really dig the whole AirBnB groove. It really does have a nice, more personal, anti-corporate vibe to it.


That still doesn't sound right. Doing all this just to cash in on the Olympics makes no sense for property owners. A couple of weeks doesn't make up for years of low vacancy rates before and after the games no matter how much price gouging you do. Now if this means more construction projects you might be onto something. You're just pointing your finger at the wrong industry.
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Re: Dangerous FG-run Enterprise Busted

Postby kurogane » Fri May 23, 2014 12:27 pm

I don't follow your point about the wrong industry.

My logic would be that their logic would be that they see potential for some revenue from what must be revenue sinks, based on my intimate familiarity with the penny wise pound foolish principles that seem to drive far too many Japanese enterprises regardless of size. I find their notions of what constitutes a Good Profit to be shockingly Lilliputian; much as I find the interest rates my remaining yen savings earn. Also, I am getting a very strong impression that the argument is that the Tokyo Olympics! are sure to usher in a New Golden Era of development and prosperity; certainly any local pro-Olympic propaganda asserts that with the lead in and follow up to the actual event there will be a prolonged increase in visitor numbers and dollars dropped, and the exposure enjoyed will lead to a permanent and continuing increase in the popularity of the destination. From the Vancouver debacle, I seem to also remember something about the beneficial effect on the price of swampland.

My point being that while you might well be right, they believe their own BS and are planning accordingly.

So, if it were construction industry based (and I get what you mean about skullduggery and cronyism), they would be looking to increase an already bloated supply of empty buildings? I would never say Never, but I could certainly see a healthy backroom tug o' war between those who own what is already built and those who want to build more of the same. In my experience, the often impressive front of industrial harmony and mutual support masks a very savage and often internecine battle, both within and between industries. It always reminded me of Lenin's notion of Democratic Centralism: you present a united front, a unified voice, and a single consensus, but until you get to that it's full on civil war behind the curtain.

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Postby Samurai_Jerk » Fri May 23, 2014 12:34 pm

I didn't necessarily mean building more "mansions" but there might be opportunities to refurbish and retrofit places to meet safety standards that would be required if they're being used as apart-hotels. By the way, not making sense and doing it aren't mutually exclusive. :wink:
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Postby wagyl » Fri May 23, 2014 12:41 pm

Looking at the maps, there are not going to be a hell of a lot of existing, vacant apartments in those areas, apart from maybe the Odaiba reclamation area, which in itself will be an inconvenient place to rent for a week or so (for the same reasons that it is inconvenient to live, thus potential vacant apartments). I wonder if the expectation is that there will be new construction, or conversion of standard two year lease properties to weekly lease properties. I wait with interest to see if this deregulation results in any practical change, or not, like so many other deregulations which are stymied by other practicalities.

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Postby Russell » Fri May 23, 2014 11:19 pm

It's an issue in Europe and the US too, but no arrests and parading in front of the media is deemed necessary there.

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Postby omae mona » Sat May 24, 2014 7:26 am

I think it's amazing that Japan, of all places, is the one looking into liberalising the rules. I think if it can be done while preserving an element of safety, then it's great, and I'm glad Japan is trying to experiment to see if it can work. I think most jurisdictions (e.g. New York) are going to default to digging their feet in for reasons that stem more from protectionism of the hotel industry.

That being said, I'm not sure I'd want to stay in one of these places within an SEZ in Tokyo. When you are staying there, you can be pretty sure the unit's owner had a recent visit from a tattooed guy saying "it would be a shame if something happened to this nice apartment". But you can't be sure the owner opted to pay for those special fire protection services being offered. If he didn't pay, you can bet there will be a fire pretty soon...
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Postby kurogane » Sat May 24, 2014 8:18 am

From a quick read of that News24 article, it seems to me they are talking about Weekly Mansions. Having stayed in those numerous times before, what exactly is new about this? Is it that the service is available in English, or is it this idea of SEZs? It's not like there's a shortage of Weekly or Monthly Manshon in Tokyo.

All I ever had to do was show them my passport or ARC, and bingo bongo I had a Condo. I much prefer it, actually, but the Kyoto places seem rather strict about enforcing the one week rule, whereas I have seen Super Short Stay offers in Tokyo (from 3 nights).
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Postby havill » Sat May 24, 2014 3:58 pm

This reminds me of the infamous ("They're discriminating against me because I want to be a geisha with a CD player accompaniment!") Caucasian Geisha "Sayuki" aka Fiona Graham, an Australian who was fined NZ$64,000 for running a flop house in Wanaka, NZ. She too was warned multiple times that she was not up to code and she ignored it (and took down bulletins posted by the city).

In addition to the fine for housing foreigners without a proper license, she was fined for contempt for basically ignoring the multiple warnings.

Source: http://www.odt.co.nz/your-town/wanaka/1 ... ined-64000
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Postby havill » Sat May 24, 2014 4:06 pm

Samurai_Jerk wrote:
kurogane wrote:My gut votes for deportation.


That would be my guess.

The brothel thing sounds like a stretch based on what's written in the link I gave. He's suspected of letting 7 people including a Thai man (or men) stay at his place in March and April.


Things that will get you deported in Japan:

http://www.turning-japanese.info/2012/0 ... anent.html

In short, if he is viewed as aiding and abetting prostitution, drugs, or illegal immigration, yes, he's toast.

If this is just a shutdown and a fine for running an illegal hotel, he probably won't be deported providing his own visa situation is on the up and up.
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Postby omae mona » Sat May 24, 2014 5:30 pm

havill wrote:This reminds me of the infamous ("They're discriminating against me because I want to be a geisha with a CD player accompaniment!") Caucasian Geisha "Sayuki" aka Fiona Graham, an Australian who was fined NZ$64,000 for running a flop house in Wanaka, NZ. She too was warned multiple times that she was not up to code and she ignored it (and took down bulletins posted by the city).

In addition to the fine for housing foreigners without a proper license, she was fined for contempt for basically ignoring the multiple warnings.

Source: http://www.odt.co.nz/your-town/wanaka/1 ... ined-64000


Ha, that's hilarious. I also enjoyed the part where her first lawyer quit because he couldn't stand her, and the 2nd lawyer tried (unsuccessfully) to get the whole judgment made non-public because of the potential harm to her geisha career back in Japan.

havill wrote:Things that will get you deported in Japan:

http://www.turning-japanese.info/2012/0 ... anent.html


Good list. The risk of continuing to run my prostitution ring is the one thing that has always has me thinking of dumping PR in favor of naturalisation. I am afraid of the chopsticks skill test though.
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Re: Dangerous FG-run Enterprise Busted

Postby legion » Sat May 24, 2014 8:41 pm

havill wrote:This reminds me of the infamous ("They're discriminating against me because I want to be a geisha with a CD player accompaniment!") Caucasian Geisha "Sayuki" aka Fiona Graham, an Australian who was fined NZ$64,000 for running a flop house in Wanaka, NZ. She too was warned multiple times that she was not up to code and she ignored it (and took down bulletins posted by the city).

In addition to the fine for housing foreigners without a proper license, she was fined for contempt for basically ignoring the multiple warnings.

Source: http://www.odt.co.nz/your-town/wanaka/1 ... ined-64000



She had not demonstrated any significant remorse and "an avoidance of responsibility is apparent".


The remorseless Geisha

Is she the one that said she didn't need to practice her geisha flute because she was good enough already?
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Re: Dangerous FG-run Enterprise Busted

Postby havill » Sat May 24, 2014 8:57 pm

legion wrote: The remorseless Geisha

Is she the one that said she didn't need to practice her geisha flute because she was good enough already?


She probably demonstrated her Geisha performance for the NZ judge, which is why she got the book thrown at her.
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