Japan 'forgets' 80 A-bombs in its IAEA report

[Taro Toporific]

Japan fails to include 640 kg of unused plutonium in report to IAEA
Kyodo | 2014 June 07
Japan has failed to include 640 kilograms of unused plutonium in its annual report to the International Atomic Energy Agency in 2012 and 2013 in what experts say is an inappropriate omission..
... that Japan's reporting does not reflect the actual state of unused plutonium that could be diverted for nuclear weapons. The unreported amount is enough to make about 80 nuclear bombs.

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wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_nuclear_weapon_program

[Coligny]

wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_nuclear_weapon_program

Great bedtime story... If you are not planning to sleep anytime soon...

[Taro Toporific]

wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_nuclear_weapon_program

Great bedtime story... If you are not planning to sleep anytime soon...

For the past 10 years Japan has buying and stockpiling plutonium even though it’s against their constitution to have or use atomic weapons. Two years ago, Japan abandoned its fast-breeder nuclear reactor program, which their only excuse for wanting so much plutonium. Now, Japan has been caught hiding bomb plutonium from the IAEA, hmmmm.

[matsuki]

wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_nuclear_weapon_program

Great bedtime story... If you are not planning to sleep anytime soon...

For the past 10 years Japan has buying and stockpiling plutonium even though it’s against their constitution to have or use atomic weapons. Two years ago, Japan abandoned its fast-breeder nuclear reactor program, which their only excuse for wanting so much plutonium. Now, Japan has been caught hiding bomb plutonium from the IAEA, hmmmm.

Wonder what happens next...constitution violation or not, accountability isn't exactly the J-gov's strong point.

[Coligny]

wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_nuclear_weapon_program

Great bedtime story... If you are not planning to sleep anytime soon...

For the past 10 years Japan has buying and stockpiling plutonium even though it’s against their constitution to have or use atomic weapons. Two years ago, Japan abandoned its fast-breeder nuclear reactor program, which their only excuse for wanting so much plutonium. Now, Japan has been caught hiding bomb plutonium from the IAEA, hmmmm.

Soooo... That's why the 'disappeared' Tom Clancy...

[Isle of View]

Japan would be stupid to not have a secret nuclear weapons program.

[Coligny]

Japan would be stupid to not have a secret nuclear weapons program.

Care to detail your brainfart ?

Because mixing a pacifist constitution with a secret nukular program is the textbook method to have UN sanctionned preemptive strike against your installations. Or more realistically, up shitcreek without a paddle from a diplomatic standpoint...

[Coligny]

I mean, just think at the stupidity of your statement. They don't have long range bombers, no long or even medium range missiles, they don't have boomers on station either. All the countries that might shit on japan have them, or in case of DPRK are insane enough to be oblivious to nuclear threat.
It's a big boy game, look at France... Nobody knows where the vast majority of our nukes are, land based ? Could be anywhere around the globe, boomer subs ? Same... Air missile... Maybe easier to find but not by much since our new lineup of strategic bomber look the same as the regular attack and fighter planes. Same goes for the Russians... All those Topol M offroad trucks good luck finding them when they are not parading on the Red Square...

It's not like Israel where the enemies are still trying to weaponize goats and turn into a photoshop laughingstock/disaster everytime they pretend to have a working fighter/missile... In this case, yes, Israel can say 'touch us and you'll glow in the dark'.

For Japan, having a secret nuke program just say and allow anyone else to say "remember Pearl Harbour ? They are up to the same shit again!"

[Tsuru]

Japan would be stupid to not have a secret nuclear weapons program.

Care to detail your brainfart ?

Because mixing a pacifist constitution with a secret nukular program is the textbook method to have UN sanctionned preemptive strike against your installations. Or more realistically, up shitcreek without a paddle from a diplomatic standpoint...

Ask the Ukrainians how they feel these days about doing away with their own deterrent. Why do you think Iran wants them so badly?

As long as China and Russia have them, Japan would be stupid not to have them. Actually, I'm actually pretty sure they already do... and with their space program they have the means to deliver them.

[kurogane]

As long as China and Russia have them, Japan would be stupid not to have them. Actually, I'm actually pretty sure they already do... and with their space program they have the means to deliver them.

Yeah, and there's that widdle tiny peaceful hermit kingdom just east of both of those that adds a touch of hysteria to the mix, even though they couldn't hit a whore in a brothel if they tried. Japan has nukes, and the US knows it. A bit like a replay of the Israeli bomb question, which I think is now a public secret isn't it?

Didn't they even let The French have a bomb???

BTW, my avatar might be cute, but yours is simply hot. HOTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT

[yanpa]

Does Japan have actual nukes? I highly doubt it. It would get out some time, and it'd be a diplomatic time bomb (haha).

Does Japan have all the requisite parts squirrelled away and the resources to put together a credible deterrent at short notice? Hell yeah.

[matsuki]

So...do we just trust that without that part of "scary kaigai" to talk hard against, the Jap-nazi nationalists will never use them? Mutually assured destruction?

[jingai]

I thought the US security treaty was the credible deterrent on short notice. The US has a rather large stockpile of such weapons distributed throughout the world on bombers and submarines.

[Coligny]

Ask the Ukrainians how they feel these days about doing away with their own deterrent.

They had Nato as a deterrent, which did'nt work either. Something make you think that having few old Russian nukes would have spared them ? Certainly unusable anyway since you can bet they had suicide switch still wired to Moscow. (Remember the argentinian exocet missiles that Tatchers got the suicide codes from Mitterrand by threatening to go nuclear over the Falklands ?) Ukrainian nukes were dangerous as dirty bomb materials, not as strategic weapons. Like Iraqis Mig 25 the american found burried in the desert and claimed they were hidden weapon from Hussein ready to be used. While the picture showed planes litterally dumped in tombs without a single protection engines and cockpit so filled with dirty sand that they wouldn't even have been salvageable as museum display.

[font=][/font]Why do you think Iran wants them so badly?
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To make Jerusalem think twice. It's local sandbox quarrels.
Israel is a cornered cat state. Surrounded by countries wishing its death, there is not much surprise to the fact they'd do everything to defend themselves. The more weapon they have, the less they have chances to be attacked.

Japan with a supposedly pacifist constitution... Is the opposite. The more weapon... The more uselessly belligerent they appears, with a really bad track record backing them.
With nukes, they make any first strike against them justifiable and understandable. For the same reasons, had Powell's claims to the UN be true, it was making sense to invade Iraq and hunt Saddam Hussein.

As long as China and Russia have them, Japan would be stupid not to have them. Actually, I'm actually pretty sure they already do... and with their space program they have the means to deliver them.

Until few years ago, China didn't give a flying fuck of Japan, the senkakus are not a patriotic claim for great justice, but just money grab for fishing and oil exploration rights. Not exactly predictable or useable as justification for a nuke program long in the making. As for the Russians, they hold onto the kuriles to piss of Japan. Not as an avant post for any kind of invasion plan. So, again... Nukes against Russia makes no sense.

I'm pretty sure you don't use the same tech for space launch and strategic missiles... Where the re-entry/aiming part is quite a big deal. Even the launch phase must be different or all those Typhoon boomers would have been converted for commercial space launch instead of being scraped. And let's not get too enthusiastic at their commercial launch success rate either... There is a reason why France and Russia are the market players here...

[Coligny]

Didn't they even let The French have a bomb???

Joking right ? Even watching Godzilla 98 would have taught you that...
I mean, even today I'm sure more of French nukes are aimed toward Washington than Moscow...

[kurogane]

Joking right ? ...

Right. Loved Jean Reno in Godzilla. He was the king.

[Tsuru]

Ask the Ukrainians how they feel these days about doing away with their own deterrent.

They had Nato as a deterrent, which did'nt work either. Something make you think that having few old Russian nukes would have spared them ? Certainly unusable anyway since you can bet they had suicide switch still wired to Moscow. (Remember the argentinian exocet missiles that Tatchers got the suicide codes from Mitterrand by threatening to go nuclear over the Falklands ?) Ukrainian nukes were dangerous as dirty bomb materials, not as strategic weapons. Like Iraqis Mig 25 the american found burried in the desert and claimed they were hidden weapon from Hussein ready to be used. While the picture showed planes litterally dumped in tombs without a single protection engines and cockpit so filled with dirty sand that they wouldn't even have been salvageable as museum display.

[font=][/font]Why do you think Iran wants them so badly?
.

To make Jerusalem think twice. It's local sandbox quarrels.
Israel is a cornered cat state. Surrounded by countries wishing its death, there is not much surprise to the fact they'd do everything to defend themselves. The more weapon they have, the less they have chances to be attacked.

Japan with a supposedly pacifist constitution... Is the opposite. The more weapon... The more uselessly belligerent they appears, with a really bad track record backing them.
With nukes, they make any first strike against them justifiable and understandable. For the same reasons, had Powell's claims to the UN be true, it was making sense to invade Iraq and hunt Saddam Hussein.

As long as China and Russia have them, Japan would be stupid not to have them. Actually, I'm actually pretty sure they already do... and with their space program they have the means to deliver them.

Until few years ago, China didn't give a flying fuck of Japan, the senkakus are not a patriotic claim for great justice, but just money grab for fishing and oil exploration rights. Not exactly predictable or useable as justification for a nuke program long in the making. As for the Russians, they hold onto the kuriles to piss of Japan. Not as an avant post for any kind of invasion plan. So, again... Nukes against Russia makes no sense.

I'm pretty sure you don't use the same tech for space launch and strategic missiles... Where the re-entry/aiming part is quite a big deal. Even the launch phase must be different or all those Typhoon boomers would have been converted for commercial space launch instead of being scraped. And let's not get too enthusiastic at their commercial launch success rate either... There is a reason why France and Russia are the market players here...

You seem to attach a lot of value to pacifist ideals and law. Commendable, but not really something I could get behind anymore these days. We can argue about the fine details (details you and I really know nothing about) until we're blue in the face but the fact of the matter is, Japan is at the very least a latent nuclear power and very probably an actual nuclear power. And while I don't live in the country myself, half of my family does and as far as I'm concerned Japan is very welcome to having nuclear weapons to guard its sovereignty. And something tells me within the next 10-20 years you will too, if you don't secretly think so already.

As far as pacifism goes, it amounts to absolutely nothing when you have aggressive states on your doorstep, ready to move in and take your cheese with force. Even in the EU we're now slowly waking up from our pacifist stupor. It was nice while it lasted, but as we speak NATO is sending its forces east to keep Russia in check once more. I hate the inefficiency and wastefulness of the western military as much as anyone else who has had to deal with them, but I thank my lucky stars every day that I was born on this side of the fence.

Ask the TIbetans how their pacifist constitution and values have helped them in the face of Chinese aggression. Or how trying to remain neutral helped the low countries in 1940.

(And if you go ad-hominem with me on the last sentence you lose automatically)

[Coligny]

You seem to attach a lot of value to pacifist ideals and law. Commendable, but not really something I could get behind anymore these days. We can argue about the fine details (details you and I really know nothing about) until we're blue in the face but the fact of the matter is, Japan is at the very least a latent nuclear power and very probably an actual nuclear power. And while I don't live in the country myself, half of my family does and as far as I'm concerned Japan is very welcome to having nuclear weapons to guard its sovereignty. And something tells me within the next 10-20 years you will too, if you don't secretly think so already.

No, I put a lot of value in product labeling, a country with this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japan's_no ... ons_policy and a constitution forbidding to have an army,
that would develop nuclear weapons even without using them could already be considered as de facto belligerant.

China attacking a Japan with nukes would no hesitate to strike much harder than if the country is believed to only have conventional weapons. It's the anti-ballistic missile convention clusterfuck all over again... (If I think you have nukes, I will nuke you first just in case, if I think you have anti ballistic missile I will send 10 times more to be sure some go through)

Beside... If the japs have nukes... Unless they received american help... they surely have really untested weapon... Be it for the yield, accuracy or even the launch plateform... We are talking about a country who's aerospace industry can't build a plane without having the French or the US giving them blueprints first...

As far as pacifism goes, it amounts to absolutely nothing when you have aggressive states on your doorstep, ready to move in and take your cheese with force. Even in the EU we're now slowly waking up from our pacifist stupor. It was nice while it lasted, but as we speak NATO is sending its forces east to keep Russia in check once more. I hate the inefficiency and wastefulness of the western military as much as anyone else who has had to deal with them, but I thank my lucky stars every day that I was born on this side of the fence.

EU pacifism ? Please where ? The Eurocorps ? The Balkans ? France in centrafrica ? Hell we even did nukes live test up untill the mid 90' when the computer simulations were started to be used to reduce testing and development cost. Where the fuck do you see pacifism ? The Turcs and Greece ?

(And if you go ad-hominem with me on the last sentence you lose automatically)

You mean like with your assumptions aboot my views on pacifism ?

[wuchan]

french dude in pissing match....

[Tsuru]

EU pacifism ? Please where ? The Eurocorps ? The Balkans ? France in centrafrica ? Hell we even did nukes live test up untill the mid 90' when the computer simulations were started to be used to reduce testing and development cost. Where the fuck do you see pacifism ? The Turcs and Greece ?

Oh I don't know.... its founding principles maybe?

(thanks for invalidating your own argument!)

[Coligny]

Not so fast...
http://europa.eu/scadplus/constitution/ ... ves_en.htm there is a notion of promoting peace added in the 'objective list' together with 'fighting poverty', 'free and fair trade' and 'solidarity amongst people' ...
Remember that the EU is an evolution of the post WWII CECA, which is all about trade and really little about nations. Plus you can't compare the constitution of something like the EU with the constitution of a *real* country. I don't see where your point try to be... A young tiger of paper constitution do not reflect the past of the group of countries it's supposed to link... Promotion of peace don't mean absolute pacifism if it don't forbid the right to have an army. Which is nowhere written in the european constitution.

All of this being further and further away from the topic at hand: a Japan with nuke have much more chances to be bitchslapped hard than a non nuke japan.

[Tsuru]

Not so fast...
http://europa.eu/scadplus/constitution/ ... ves_en.htm there is a notion of promoting peace added in the 'objective list' together with 'fighting poverty', 'free and fair trade' and 'solidarity amongst people' ...
Remember that the EU is an evolution of the post WWII CECA, which is all about trade and really little about nations. Plus you can't compare the constitution of something like the EU with the constitution of a *real* country. I don't see where your point try to be... A young tiger of paper constitution do not reflect the past of the group of countries it's supposed to link... Promotion of peace don't mean absolute pacifism if it don't forbid the right to have an army. Which is nowhere written in the european constitution.

Oh no... next thing you're going to tell us is that it did absolutely nothing to keep The Hun out of LDF.

All of this being further and further away from the topic at hand: a Japan with nuke have much more chances to be bitchslapped hard than a non nuke japan.

Dis. A. Fucking. Gree.

[Isle of View]

Japan would be stupid to not have a secret nuclear weapons program.

Care to detail your brainfart ?

Not worth the time in your case: an ad hominem bot.

Because mixing a pacifist constitution with a secret nukular program is the textbook method to have UN sanctionned preemptive strike against your installations. Or more realistically, up shitcreek without a paddle from a diplomatic standpoint...

Oh,sure. The UN has an amazing track record of effective action leading to a desired result.

[dimwit]

Look, back in the late 1950's Kishi talked about Japan going nuclear and given the transparency of the time I would be very surprised if they hadn't. Today, on the other hand, I am not so sure that keeping nukes a secret would be possible given the level of public opposition to them.

[Coligny]

Japan would be stupid to not have a secret nuclear weapons program.

Care to detail your brainfart ?

Not worth the time in your case: an ad hominem bot.

Nope, a boldly made statement without correct backing is usually properly named when called a 'brainfart'

Had I called you a 'cocksucking mouthbreathing stillbirth leftover' then, that could have been called an 'ad hominem' (btw don't forget to thanks Tsuru for teaching you that word today) in the case none of it could be proven as false or an exageration.

[Coligny]

Look, back in the late 1950's Kishi talked about Japan going nuclear and given the transparency of the time I would be very surprised if they hadn't. Today, on the other hand, I am not so sure that keeping nukes a secret would be possible given the level of public opposition to them.

Can they have nuclear weapon without testing ? Doubtfull
Can they do any testing without getting caught ? Near impossible. Too much seismograph around, detonation signature too different from a normal quake.

Now step 2:
If they have or manage to acquire valid nukes.
What do they use to deliver them ?
They have no TEL trucks.
No land based cruise missiles.
No sea based cruise missiles.
No air launched cruise missiles.
At best they have 180 km range antiship missiles, and no proof they can carry a nuclear warhead.

No matter what you wish to be true, if they don't have something now, they won't be able to make it tomorrow or even the day after tomorrow. Those things takes time and testing, just look at the problem the Russian had with their Bullava missile, despite it being 'only' a navalised version of the already operational Topol M.