Environmentalists pursue Japan's whalers

[Coligny]

I wonder which is actually the bigger sump (I think it goes up the chain at a logarithmic rate), but given the popularity of tuna versus whale, yeah. That really freaks me out when they willingly expose themselves to that level of poison then chide me for Thinking Too Much. Did I forget to mention The MERCURY part!!!!!!!???????

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Just like a certain nukular meltdown...

Just wait until they continue keeping it classy and start blaming the victims.

[kurogane]

Just wait until they continue keeping it classy and start blaming the victims.

Nice point. When that stops, I know they will have joined the 20th century. Anybody else remember the rape victim in the turtleneck accused by the presiding judge of dressing seductively? They published her bust size in the early news reports. It was impressive, to be fair. Except for the rape part.

Speaking professionally, it is easily their most degenerate aspect as a people, that inability to not reflexively blame the victim. A sort of national emotional incontinence. Probably the only thing that actually shocks me anymore.

I quite like this insistence on hunting whales they're not going to eat anyways. The tax part aside, it shows Gattsu.

And most white people that care about the issue are retards, after all. And I'm against it, too. I just prefer to not tell people what to eat. As an example, I quite like Budweiser (Canadian, FTR). Beerfags often display their horror and quickly degenerate into craftbeerfag pedantry.

But when I wake up in the morning, I feel fine, and they're still beerfags.


With apologies to Churchill..............................

[Yokohammer]

Here we go again.

ICJ ruling will help Japan resume whaling in name of ‘research’: official

An embarrassing court ruling that halted Japan’s Antarctic whaling will actually help Tokyo take whales in the name of science, a top whaling official said just a day after the prime minister vowed to press for commercial whaling.

The excruciatingly self-serving logic employed by these asshats is just repulsive and frankly not very smart.

“Even if some country thinks that whales are special or sacred, as long as whales are sustainably utilized that view should not be forced on others,” Morishita said.

“If people in India tried to impose their way of treatment of cows on the rest of the world and tried to promote prohibiting of eating at McDonald’s or hamburgers, what would happen?”

That's not even the point. It's just a very immature attempt to deflect attention from the real issues. Who thinks whales are "sacred", fer chrissake?* These jerks just make shit up to serve their own egocentric agenda.

*There may be some minority group out there somewhere, but what the fuck does that have to do with this issue?

[matsuki]

So next nipponsenso may be over whaling instead of islands....grrrreat

[Coligny]

That's not even the point. It's just a very immature attempt to deflect attention from the real issues. Who thinks whales are "sacred", fer chrissake?* These jerks just make shit up to serve their own egocentric agenda.

*There may be some minority group out there somewhere, but what the fuck does that have to do with this issue?

Seriously... Are you new in this country ?

When did you come across an explanation from the locals that was not feeling out of a retarded toddler brain ?
Sometimes i feel I should tape conversation with me Julie... She's downright an embarrassment for mankind...
(Remember the UN guy 'dhaddup shaddup shaddup' sounds same as toddler's 'lalalala I can't hear youzzzz!!!')

[Samurai_Jerk]

That's not even the point. It's just a very immature attempt to deflect attention from the real issues. Who thinks whales are "sacred", fer chrissake?* These jerks just make shit up to serve their own egocentric agenda.

*There may be some minority group out there somewhere, but what the fuck does that have to do with this issue?

Seriously... Are you new in this country ?

When did you come across an explanation from the locals that was not feeling out of a retarded toddler brain ?
Sometimes i feel I should tape conversation with me Julie... She's downright an embarrassment for mankind...
(Remember the UN guy 'dhaddup shaddup shaddup' sounds same as toddler's 'lalalala I can't hear youzzzz!!!')

I hate to agree with Coligny (about anything ) but I too have found that it's almost impossible to have a logical discussion, let alone a debate, with a Japanese person.

[Yokohammer]

I hate to agree with Coligny (about anything ) but I too have found that it's almost impossible to have a logical discussion, let alone a debate, with a Japanese person.

Uh-huh, especially if it's something they have a vested interest in. No reasoning is too juvenile or blatantly dishonest. In personal relationships you're supposed to look the other way. I get that. But this is a worldwide issue, and that comfy "na-na" kind of relationship just ain't gonna happen. It astounds me that these people think they can bring that kind of reasoning to an international issue like this, and it indicates that they have absolutely NO understanding of how international relations are supposed to work. Apparently very little intellectual progress has been made in some quarters over the last 60 years or so. It's just plain counterproductive.

[Samurai_Jerk]

No reasoning is too juvenile or blatantly dishonest.

Don't get me started. I thought there was going to be violence at my local yakitori joint the other night because a couple of the customers who happen to be cat owners were offended by the fact that I have no problem with euthanizing stray cats.

[matsuki]

No reasoning is too juvenile or blatantly dishonest.

Don't get me started. I thought there was going to be violence at my local yakitori joint the other night because a couple of the customers who happen to be cat owners were offended by the fact that I have no problem with euthanizing stray cats.

As I'm sure you know though, the anger usually only translates to shouting and r's being rolled. It's amazing to me evertime I see J-people totally give in to the loudest fuck in the room simply because he's the loudest. (and even funnier when an FG doesn't fall into line with the rest)

ALSO, LOL at the "sacred kawaii" animals like cats

[yanpa]

No reasoning is too juvenile or blatantly dishonest.

Don't get me started. I thought there was going to be violence at my local yakitori joint the other night because a couple of the customers who happen to be cat owners were offended by the fact that I have no problem with euthanizing stray cats.

And this situation is unique to Japan how? (Hint: cat owners).

[kurogane]

Here we go again.

ICJ ruling will help Japan resume whaling in name of ‘research’: official

An embarrassing court ruling that halted Japan’s Antarctic whaling will actually help Tokyo take whales in the name of science, a top whaling official said just a day after the prime minister vowed to press for commercial whaling.

The excruciatingly self-serving logic employed by these asshats is just repulsive and frankly not very smart.

“Even if some country thinks that whales are special or sacred, as long as whales are sustainably utilized that view should not be forced on others,” Morishita said.

“If people in India tried to impose their way of treatment of cows on the rest of the world and tried to promote prohibiting of eating at McDonald’s or hamburgers, what would happen?”

That's not even the point. It's just a very immature attempt to deflect attention from the real issues. Who thinks whales are "sacred", fer chrissake?* These jerks just make shit up to serve their own egocentric agenda.

*There may be some minority group out there somewhere, but what the fuck does that have to do with this issue?

Just to clarify, are we bunching our panties over the potential for a renewal of Scientific Whaling, or over the grade school red herring? If the former, I though the boy in question dealt with that rather well in the middle of the article: the ICJ did not rule against whale hunting, scientific or commercial. It ruled against the Japanese hunt in its current form as a disingenuous exploitation of a loophole, Non!!???

But that shell game deflection attempt was rather outlandish even for a 60 year old Japanese official. Wouldn't it have been more appropriate to argue it would be like trying to make Indians eat cow meat hamburgers at McDonald's? I say Hunt On!, but I sure do wish they would stop defending their policy, or at least stop using that childish schoolyard crap to do it.

They're not threatened, we eat them, how about you fuck off!!????

Despite the fact they don't eat them, and it's a huge waste of tax money


BTW, The Sea Shitbirds could easily be accused of sacralising them. And that is actually a large number of cat owners you're dissing there, Yoko

[Yokohammer]

Here we go again.

ICJ ruling will help Japan resume whaling in name of ‘research’: official

An embarrassing court ruling that halted Japan’s Antarctic whaling will actually help Tokyo take whales in the name of science, a top whaling official said just a day after the prime minister vowed to press for commercial whaling.

The excruciatingly self-serving logic employed by these asshats is just repulsive and frankly not very smart.

“Even if some country thinks that whales are special or sacred, as long as whales are sustainably utilized that view should not be forced on others,” Morishita said.

“If people in India tried to impose their way of treatment of cows on the rest of the world and tried to promote prohibiting of eating at McDonald’s or hamburgers, what would happen?”

That's not even the point. It's just a very immature attempt to deflect attention from the real issues. Who thinks whales are "sacred", fer chrissake?* These jerks just make shit up to serve their own egocentric agenda.

*There may be some minority group out there somewhere, but what the fuck does that have to do with this issue?

Just to clarify, are we bunching our panties over the potential for a renewal of Scientific Whaling, or over the grade school red herring? If the former, I though the boy in question dealt with that rather well in the middle of the article: the ICJ did not rule against whale hunting, scientific or commercial. It ruled against the Japanese hunt in its current form as a disingenuous exploitation of a loophole, Non!!???

But that shell game deflection attempt was rather outlandish even for a 60 year old Japanese official. Wouldn't it have been more appropriate to argue it would be like trying to make Indians eat cow meat hamburgers at McDonald's? I say Hunt On!, but I sure do wish they would stop defending their policy, or at least stop using that childish schoolyard crap to do it.

They're not threatened, we eat them, how about you fuck off!!????

Despite the fact they don't eat them, and it's a huge waste of tax money


BTW, The Sea Shitbirds could easily be accused of sacralising them. And that is actually a large number of cat owners you're dissing there, Yoko

How did I get roped into the cat issue? I don't believe I participated in that one.

Whales: they can catch and eat as many fucking whales as they like, as long as they do it in their own waters and not in an internationally recognized marine sanctuary, or under the guise of research. The huge tax funded scam that is Japan's whaling industry needs to be exposed too.

I'm not going to do this in detail again because it just goes around and around, but the big issue is not saving whales, or preserving culture, it is just money and a little bit of Japaese pride thrown in for good measure. Sea Shepherd only serve to make the thing more of a cultural/emotional us vs. them shitstorm, and they aren't helping in the least. The real issues are hidden in plain sight.

[kurogane]

Meow Meow Meow Meow to all that my friend , and especially on the point of doing it At Home. There must be more than enough whales in Japanese waters to provide the paltry amount that is actually consumed.

Not to mention the brain stab when they raise the issue of Indians eating cow meat, and other scintillatingly accurate similes

I still claim he should have claimed what I claim he should have claimed.

[Wage Slave]

What about eating cats? They do in southern China. The famous, popular and traditional dish named The Tiger, The Dragon and the Phoenix - cat, snake and chicken.

They don't say it is research though. They just say its a warming winter stew.

[Samurai_Jerk]

No reasoning is too juvenile or blatantly dishonest.

Don't get me started. I thought there was going to be violence at my local yakitori joint the other night because a couple of the customers who happen to be cat owners were offended by the fact that I have no problem with euthanizing stray cats.

And this situation is unique to Japan how? (Hint: cat owners).

It wasn't that they disagreed with me. It was more their childish intellectually dishonest way of arguing their point that was ridiculous.

[matsuki]

What you all fail to realize is all the logic and reasoning can be ignored because most older Japanese "didn't get beef at school lunches, it was whale meat!!"

[yanpa]

No reasoning is too juvenile or blatantly dishonest.

Don't get me started. I thought there was going to be violence at my local yakitori joint the other night because a couple of the customers who happen to be cat owners were offended by the fact that I have no problem with euthanizing stray cats.

And this situation is unique to Japan how? (Hint: cat owners).

It wasn't that they disagreed with me. It was more their childish intellectually dishonest way of arguing their point that was ridiculous.

You were expecting cat owners to argue with intellectual rigour about viciously murdering the cute little kitties feral feline population control?

[Samurai_Jerk]

No reasoning is too juvenile or blatantly dishonest.

Don't get me started. I thought there was going to be violence at my local yakitori joint the other night because a couple of the customers who happen to be cat owners were offended by the fact that I have no problem with euthanizing stray cats.

And this situation is unique to Japan how? (Hint: cat owners).

It wasn't that they disagreed with me. It was more their childish intellectually dishonest way of arguing their point that was ridiculous.

You were expecting cat owners to argue with intellectual rigour about viciously murdering the cute little kitties feral feline population control?

No, I was expecting to have a few Hoppies and some yakitori in peace on the way home from work. They were the ones who brought it up (already knowing how I felt about the issue from a conversation we had months ago by the way) and kept peppering me with stupid questions and coming up with absurd what-if scenarios to create false equivalencies.

[wagyl]

No, I was expecting to have a few Hoppies and some yakitori in peace on the way home from work.

Well it's called yakitori but it is really just segments of cat's tail.

[matsuki]

SJ, just wait til kitty SARS is created in Japan and then go back and ask them about ferral cats.

Japan is like Florida in regards to alien animals taking over for the local wildlife.

[yanpa]

No reasoning is too juvenile or blatantly dishonest.

Don't get me started. I thought there was going to be violence at my local yakitori joint the other night because a couple of the customers who happen to be cat owners were offended by the fact that I have no problem with euthanizing stray cats.

And this situation is unique to Japan how? (Hint: cat owners).

It wasn't that they disagreed with me. It was more their childish intellectually dishonest way of arguing their point that was ridiculous.

You were expecting cat owners to argue with intellectual rigour about viciously murdering the cute little kitties feral feline population control?

No, I was expecting to have a few Hoppies and some yakitori in peace on the way home from work. They were the ones who brought it up (already knowing how I felt about the issue from a conversation we had months ago by the way) and kept peppering me with stupid questions and coming up with absurd what-if scenarios to create false equivalencies.

Cat owners are like that...

[Samurai_Jerk]

No, I was expecting to have a few Hoppies and some yakitori in peace on the way home from work.

Well it's called yakitori but it is really just segments of cat's tail.

Well one of them actually said that killing animals is the same as killing humans since a life was a life so I asked why they were eating yakitori. They said that's different because those were animals that were raised for food. So I asked about people in other countries that raise cats an dogs for food. One of them avoided answering by asking me if I would eat dog or cat meat. I said probably not unless I was starving but it doesn't bother me that other people do. He tried to say that I was being hypocritical by not eating dog or cat if I thought it was OK for other people to do so. He had that Gotcha! look on his face when he said it too. That's the kind of logic I'm talking about.

SJ, just wait til kitty SARS is created in Japan and then go back and ask them about ferral cats.

Japan is like Florida in regards to alien animals taking over for the local wildlife.

Funny you should mention that because I asked why it was OK to kill stray dogs in Japan. They said because of rabies. I pointed out that there isn't any rabies in Japan and that any mammal can carry rabies. They had no idea that animals besides dogs could spread rabies. It's called 狂犬病 in Japanese though so I'm willing to forgive that.

[kurogane]

He had that Gotcha! look on his face when he said it too. That's the kind of logic I'm talking about. .

Aaaah, yes.............that look. As a barroom study project, I used to try and figure out what the underlying logic or rationale was when they pull those stunts. Using your case as an example, I think it is a result of reductive logic that can only allow for absolute uniformity in the (simplistic) logical reasoning: if you say it's okay to eat XXX, then you must also eat XXX, otherwise you are hypocritical　（偽善） in your claimed acceptance of a practice you don't adhere to.

Allowing that I am using the terms logic and reasoning rather loosely, and that Gizen and Hypocrisy are not always commensurate or perfectly synonymous.............you called it 　　I think there's also no small amount of Barroom Bully there as well. The Loudest One Wins, IOW.

[Samurai_Jerk]

The Loudest One Wins.

The good thing is that's a contest I'm not losing. It ended with the guy agreeing not to continue the conversation and the woman's eyes watering up to the point she had to go to the restroom to compose herself. By the way the guy is in his early 50's and the women is in her early 40's. I think they were also upset I wasn't respecting the sempai/kouhai etiquette that being under 40 required of me in such a situation. How dare I disagree with them.

[matsuki]

By the way the guy is in his early 50's and the women is in her early 40's. I think they were also upset I wasn't respecting the sempai/kouhai etiquette that being under 40 required of me in such a situation. How dare I disagree with them.

Even worse in front of others....then when they storm off all upset, you get that whole "just nod and agree" explanation

[IparryU]

By the way the guy is in his early 50's and the women is in her early 40's. I think they were also upset I wasn't respecting the sempai/kouhai etiquette that being under 40 required of me in such a situation. How dare I disagree with them.

Even worse in front of others....then when they storm off all upset, you get that whole "just nod and agree" explanation

They would probably be more pissed by having to sit through their whole bullshit rant more than you not respecting some old farts.

then again, it it was me, i would debate them till they gave up.

[Mike Oxlong]

Sitting On The Dock Of The Harbour
Funny thing about going to places rather than just reading about them is that by just walking around one can learn that which one should perhaps have known but never came across en la vie virtuelle.

Take for example the fine vessel pictured below -- which one can come across if one takes a walk around Sydney's breathtakingly glitzy Darling Harbour. With its shark teeth bow and camouflage paint job, it fits right in with the French fountain display, the graphic laser and 3-D light shows playing across all the buildings at night, the casino and every ersatz high brow, demeaning and incredibly high-priced tourist trap one can imagine.



The S.S. Sam Simon is the fourth and most recent addition to the Antarctic expedition fleet of the Sea Shepherd Society. That one would see this vessel berthed in Australian harbor should not surprise one. After all it was the Australian government that filed the successful International Court of Justice case against Japan's JARPA II Southern Ocean research whaling program.

What is surprising for a dweller of the northern hemisphere is where the Sam Simon is berthed: the pier of Australia's National Maritime Museum. To the right of the Sam Simon is the stern, for example, of the retired H.M.A.S. Vampire, the last of Australia's big gun warships and a part of the Museum's permanent collection.

It is not as though the relationship between an official Australian national museum and Sea Shepherd is a secret. Nevertheless is is freakish that one buys the ticket to tour an ostensibly piratical vessel at the ticket booth of the museum built to commemorate Australia's water-borne heritage.

Australian sympathies as regards the killing of cetaceans are on display at the Museum. It is hosting not one but two exhibitions on whales, while in its little theater the Museum is running a National Geographic produced documentary on dolphins.

Do not call it overkill.

The other facet of the story I did not know -- and which shows either Sea Shepherd's delicious sense of irony, its appreciation for fine ship engineering, or both -- is that the Sam Simon was built in IHI shipyards for the Japanese government. Completed in 1993, it was christened the Seifu Maru (清風丸) and was -- and this is where the irony gets thick -- a scientific research vessel under the control of the Japan Meteorological Agency. It was decommissioned in 2010, bought in a private sale and reemerged on the oceans as the Sam Simon in 2012.

So in the Sam Simon we have a Japanese scientific research vessel, once used for actual research (in a curiously brief 17 year career) careening round the southern ocean pursuing and impeding the actions of the vessels of Japan's highly subsidized and completely bogus research whaling program.

Continues at Shisaku Blog

[Yokohammer]

No shit ...

Japanese Whaling Crew Eaten Alive By Killer Whales, 16 dead

A Japanese whaling crew has fallen victim to a dramatic full on assault by a school of killer whales, killing no less then 16 crew members and injuring 12, has reported the Japanese Government this morning.

I thought it was a joke at first. Apparently not. (Whoops ... see update below).*

The crew of the MV Nisshin Maru (日新丸), Japan’s primary whaling vessel and the world’s only whaler factory ship, was forced to leave the deck temporarily as a gas leak was detected within the ship’s processing factory that resulted in the ship being temporarily disabled all while continuing to carry approximately 1,000 tons of oil.

The resulting panic lead members of the ship to jump off the boat before proper emergency procedures were taken and lifeboats had been set to sea. The swimming crew members were then ferociously attacked by a school of killer whales, that decimated a large number of the crew within moments. “It was horrific” claims Asuka Kumara, a mechanical engineer who witnessed the gruesome scene. “The water was red with blood, there were bodies everywhere” he recalls in tears.

* EDIT: UPDATE!! ... Current reports are that it is a hoax.

[yanpa]

Of course it must be true. Is the Crown Prince of Malaysia a Catholic? Do drunk bears massacre in the woods?

[Yokohammer]

Well that settles that ...