Home | Forums | Mark forums read | Search | FAQ | Login

Advanced search
Hot Topics
Buraku hot topic Debito reinvents himself as a Uyoku movie star!
Buraku hot topic Steven Seagal? Who's that?
Buraku hot topic Best Official Japan Souvenirs
Buraku hot topic Multiculturalism on the rise?
Buraku hot topic As if gaijin men didn't have a bad enough reputation...
Buraku hot topic Swapping Tokyo For Greenland
Buraku hot topic
Buraku hot topic Dutch wives for sale
Buraku hot topic Live Action "Akira" Update
Buraku hot topic Iran, DPRK, Nuke em, Like Japan
Change font size
  • fuckedgaijin ‹ General ‹ F*cked News

"Why Are Japanese Homes Disposable?"

Odd news from Japan and all things Japanese around the world.
Post a reply
238 posts • Page 7 of 8 • 1 ... 4, 5, 6, 7, 8

Re: "Why Are Japanese Homes Disposable?"

Postby matsuki » Mon Jun 30, 2014 3:27 pm

Wage Slave wrote:As for the UK, well, timber frame buildings are almost unheard of and rarely preferred. Bricks, bricks and more bricks.


The more I watch these British retro/reno your home shows, the more I am perplexed about that....it's like 99% bricks. See here, we're going to restore this cotton factory and make it into a home...by tearing down the walls, cleaning off the old mortar, and then rebuilding it. I mean, some of the larger ones, they are adding steel frames and shit inside....but in 2014, it's amazing to me that all the seem to be comfortable building with is bricks?? Do they not get many earthquakes or??
User avatar
matsuki
 
Posts: 16045
Joined: Wed Feb 02, 2011 4:29 pm
Location: All Aisu deserves a good bukkake
Top

Re: "Why Are Japanese Homes Disposable?"

Postby Coligny » Mon Jun 30, 2014 3:42 pm

My flat in Paris was in a 6 story building, all in red bricks... They are extremly common at Paris edge, few in the center too, but more often made with orange bricks, have to dig pics...
Marion Marechal nous voila !

Verdun

ni oubli ni pardon

never forgive never forget/ for you illiterate kapitalist pigs


Image
User avatar
Coligny
 
Posts: 21818
Images: 10
Joined: Sat Jan 17, 2009 8:12 pm
Location: Mostly big mouth and bad ideas...
  • Website
  • Personal album
Top

Re: "Why Are Japanese Homes Disposable?"

Postby Wage Slave » Mon Jun 30, 2014 3:50 pm

No earthquakes. They last forever and can be beautiful:

Image

But yeah, I agree they limit what people can afford in terms of space.
It is a tale told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing.

- Macbeth (Act 5, Scene 5)

William Shakespeare, April 1564 - May 3rd 1616
User avatar
Wage Slave
Maezumo
 
Posts: 3765
Joined: Wed Aug 15, 2012 12:40 am
Top

Re: "Why Are Japanese Homes Disposable?"

Postby wagyl » Mon Jun 30, 2014 3:51 pm

chokonen888 wrote:Do they not get many earthquakes or??

Significant seems to mean greater than Magnitude 4.0. Grand total of 48 recorded since the days of Richard II.

I'm definitely no structural engineer but bricks, with their modular shape and well understood forces, may not be such a bad material in the circumstances, and certainly good from a cost and maintenance-free point of view. Of course, the friability of the structure is a problem in a big shake, but those are the sort of shakes which mess up concrete structures too, for their non-friability.
User avatar
wagyl
Maezumo
 
Posts: 5949
Images: 0
Joined: Thu Mar 17, 2011 11:08 pm
Location: The Great Plain of the Fourth Instance
Top

Re: "Why Are Japanese Homes Disposable?"

Postby Samurai_Jerk » Mon Jun 30, 2014 3:53 pm

chokonen888 wrote:
Wage Slave wrote:As for the UK, well, timber frame buildings are almost unheard of and rarely preferred. Bricks, bricks and more bricks.


The more I watch these British retro/reno your home shows, the more I am perplexed about that....it's like 99% bricks. See here, we're going to restore this cotton factory and make it into a home...by tearing down the walls, cleaning off the old mortar, and then rebuilding it. I mean, some of the larger ones, they are adding steel frames and shit inside....but in 2014, it's amazing to me that all the seem to be comfortable building with is bricks?? Do they not get many earthquakes or??


A lot of homes in North Eastern cities like NY are brick too.
User avatar
Samurai_Jerk
Maezumo
 
Posts: 14387
Joined: Mon Feb 09, 2004 7:11 am
Location: Tokyo
Top

Re: "Why Are Japanese Homes Disposable?"

Postby yanpa » Mon Jun 30, 2014 4:28 pm

There is an earthquake like once every decade or so strong enough to demolish literally dozens of chimneypots and maybe cause the odd brick garden wall to collapse.
User avatar
yanpa
 
Posts: 5671
Images: 11
Joined: Sun Nov 04, 2007 11:50 am
Location: Tokyo
Top

Re: "Why Are Japanese Homes Disposable?"

Postby Russell » Mon Jun 30, 2014 10:03 pm

Tokyo station is built out of bricks, modeled after Amsterdam station.

Anyone know whether that is not a problem with earthquakes?
Image ― Voltaire
“To learn who rules over you, simply find out who you are not allowed to criticize.”

“I know not with what weapons World War III will be fought, but World War IV will be fought with sticks and stones.” ― Albert Einstein
User avatar
Russell
Maezumo
 
Posts: 8578
Images: 1
Joined: Fri Aug 13, 2010 11:51 pm
Top

Re: "Why Are Japanese Homes Disposable?"

Postby Coligny » Mon Jun 30, 2014 10:04 pm

Wage Slave wrote:No earthquakes. They last forever and can be beautiful:

But yeah, I agree they limit what people can afford in terms of space.



Bro please, let the pros handle that:

275777-20210-18.jpg


Sacre-coeur-paris.jpg


arc_de_triomphe_1a11.jpg


pantheon-50c07d2be57f8.jpg
You do not have the required permissions to view the files attached to this post.
Marion Marechal nous voila !

Verdun

ni oubli ni pardon

never forgive never forget/ for you illiterate kapitalist pigs


Image
User avatar
Coligny
 
Posts: 21818
Images: 10
Joined: Sat Jan 17, 2009 8:12 pm
Location: Mostly big mouth and bad ideas...
  • Website
  • Personal album
Top

Re: "Why Are Japanese Homes Disposable?"

Postby Wage Slave » Mon Jun 30, 2014 10:19 pm

Hmmmm. They is made from French bricks? Anyway, How about the direct counterpart? ie Gare Du Nord.

Image

Are all these buildings bricks with limestone (is it?) facing or just made from limestone or some such?
It is a tale told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing.

- Macbeth (Act 5, Scene 5)

William Shakespeare, April 1564 - May 3rd 1616
User avatar
Wage Slave
Maezumo
 
Posts: 3765
Joined: Wed Aug 15, 2012 12:40 am
Top

Re: "Why Are Japanese Homes Disposable?"

Postby wagyl » Mon Jun 30, 2014 10:21 pm

Russell wrote:Tokyo station is built out of bricks, modeled after Amsterdam station.

Anyone know whether that is not a problem with earthquakes?


It passed the test in 1923.
User avatar
wagyl
Maezumo
 
Posts: 5949
Images: 0
Joined: Thu Mar 17, 2011 11:08 pm
Location: The Great Plain of the Fourth Instance
Top

Re: "Why Are Japanese Homes Disposable?"

Postby yanpa » Mon Jun 30, 2014 10:42 pm

wagyl wrote:
Russell wrote:Tokyo station is built out of bricks, modeled after Amsterdam station.

Anyone know whether that is not a problem with earthquakes?


It passed the test in 1923.


It is actually brick built around a steel frame, and the whole ensemble was "floating" on a raft supported by 10,000 or so tree trunks.

http://sankei.jp.msn.com/life/news/1206 ... 014-n1.htm
User avatar
yanpa
 
Posts: 5671
Images: 11
Joined: Sun Nov 04, 2007 11:50 am
Location: Tokyo
Top

Re: "Why Are Japanese Homes Disposable?"

Postby Wage Slave » Mon Jun 30, 2014 10:49 pm

yanpa wrote:
wagyl wrote:
Russell wrote:Tokyo station is built out of bricks, modeled after Amsterdam station.

Anyone know whether that is not a problem with earthquakes?


It passed the test in 1923.


It is actually brick built around a steel frame, and the whole ensemble was "floating" on a raft supported by 10,000 or so tree trunks.

http://sankei.jp.msn.com/life/news/1206 ... 014-n1.htm


Interesting - Tell me more about the trees. Meanwhile

Construction was delayed due to the outbreak of the First Sino-Japanese War and Russo-Japanese War, but finally commenced in 1908. The three-story station building was designed by architect Tatsuno Kingo (who also designed Manseibashi Station and the nearby Bank of Japan building) as a restrained celebration of Japan's costly victory in the Russo-Japanese War. The building is often rumored to be fashioned after Amsterdam's main station, although there is little evidence to support the opinion. Terunobu Fujimori, a scholar of Western architecture, denies the rumor, having studied Tatsuno's styles as well as the building itself.[2]

.......

Much of the station was destroyed in B-29 firebombing on May 25, 1945. The bombing shattered the impressive rooftop domes. The station was quickly rebuilt within the year, but simple angular roofs were built in place of the domes, and the restored building was only two stories tall instead of three. These postwar alterations are blamed for creating the mistaken impression that the building is based on the central station in Amsterdam. Plans in the 1980s to demolish the building and to replace it with a larger structure was derailed by a preservation movement.[4]


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tokyo_Station
It is a tale told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing.

- Macbeth (Act 5, Scene 5)

William Shakespeare, April 1564 - May 3rd 1616
User avatar
Wage Slave
Maezumo
 
Posts: 3765
Joined: Wed Aug 15, 2012 12:40 am
Top

Re: "Why Are Japanese Homes Disposable?"

Postby yanpa » Mon Jun 30, 2014 10:59 pm

Wage Slave wrote:
yanpa wrote:
wagyl wrote:
Russell wrote:Tokyo station is built out of bricks, modeled after Amsterdam station.

Anyone know whether that is not a problem with earthquakes?


It passed the test in 1923.


It is actually brick built around a steel frame, and the whole ensemble was "floating" on a raft supported by 10,000 or so tree trunks.

http://sankei.jp.msn.com/life/news/1206 ... 014-n1.htm


Interesting - Tell me more about the trees.


Pine, sunk to a depth of 8 metres. Replaced during the recent modernisation by something more concrety on a rubbery base. Don't really know much personally, there is/was an interesting exhibition in the station itself detailing the before-and-after.
User avatar
yanpa
 
Posts: 5671
Images: 11
Joined: Sun Nov 04, 2007 11:50 am
Location: Tokyo
Top

Re: "Why Are Japanese Homes Disposable?"

Postby matsuki » Mon Jun 30, 2014 11:04 pm

I guess it's not the worst idea for building cheap/quick/small homes and such but then why do so many handy-lookin' fellows need pros to build with adult sized legos? The biggest issue I see is all these people want that brick look outside, insulate the inside, and all that thermal mass is wasted. The ones that put render on the outside seem to need the steel frames and such to "balance" each wall. Call me crazy but just seems like such a dated building method though you can pretty much build with whatever you want if you have enough time/money...though that doesn't mean it will last.

Coligny wrote:My flat in Paris was in a 6 story building, all in red bricks...


This what I was getting at with the Earthquake comment...these multi storied abandoned factories being turned into homes look dangerous as fuck. We're not talking interlocking bricks with engineered arches, buttresses, domes, etc. Just massive flat walls and walls of simple bricks mortared together. More than once they've had a wall crumble on the show...and they literally need steel to brace every wall as it is. When the mortar has gone to shit so they have to grind down and clean each brick and rebuild the walls...at what point does it just make more sense to build something completely new with wood or concrete? Maybe still incorporate the bricks or a wall here or there but why bother going all brick?
User avatar
matsuki
 
Posts: 16045
Joined: Wed Feb 02, 2011 4:29 pm
Location: All Aisu deserves a good bukkake
Top

Re: "Why Are Japanese Homes Disposable?"

Postby Russell » Mon Jun 30, 2014 11:11 pm

chokonen888 wrote:
Coligny wrote:My flat in Paris was in a 6 story building, all in red bricks...


This what I was getting at with the Earthquake comment...these multi storied abandoned factories being turned into homes look dangerous as fuck. We're not talking interlocking bricks with engineered arches, buttresses, domes, etc. Just massive flat walls and walls of simple bricks mortared together. More than once they've had a wall crumble on the show...and they literally need steel to brace every wall as it is. When the mortar has gone to shit so they have to grind down and clean each brick and rebuild the walls...at what point does it just make more sense to build something completely new with wood or concrete? Maybe still incorporate the bricks or a wall here or there but why bother going all brick?

Because it is beautiful.

Ever been in a European city?
Image ― Voltaire
“To learn who rules over you, simply find out who you are not allowed to criticize.”

“I know not with what weapons World War III will be fought, but World War IV will be fought with sticks and stones.” ― Albert Einstein
User avatar
Russell
Maezumo
 
Posts: 8578
Images: 1
Joined: Fri Aug 13, 2010 11:51 pm
Top

Re: "Why Are Japanese Homes Disposable?"

Postby Wage Slave » Mon Jun 30, 2014 11:33 pm

Maybe but

How long is a good quality timber framed house expected to last allowing for termites, rot and those sorts of risks? There are still many terraces of buildings well over 200 years old and many many more over 120 or so. They last - no doubt about that.

That said, I do agree that they are expensive to build and actually you don't need to build a house that will last at least 200 years. There needs to be more flexibility, economy and variety in places like the UK. The way things are now housing is well nigh unaffordable for people starting out and a crippling burden for far too many. The high costs also mean that the size of new builds is going down and down.
It is a tale told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing.

- Macbeth (Act 5, Scene 5)

William Shakespeare, April 1564 - May 3rd 1616
User avatar
Wage Slave
Maezumo
 
Posts: 3765
Joined: Wed Aug 15, 2012 12:40 am
Top

Re: "Why Are Japanese Homes Disposable?"

Postby Coligny » Mon Jun 30, 2014 11:36 pm

Alsace got loads of woody houses...

image.jpg


Maybe they had quake issues...
You do not have the required permissions to view the files attached to this post.
Marion Marechal nous voila !

Verdun

ni oubli ni pardon

never forgive never forget/ for you illiterate kapitalist pigs


Image
User avatar
Coligny
 
Posts: 21818
Images: 10
Joined: Sat Jan 17, 2009 8:12 pm
Location: Mostly big mouth and bad ideas...
  • Website
  • Personal album
Top

Re: "Why Are Japanese Homes Disposable?"

Postby matsuki » Tue Jul 01, 2014 9:41 am

Russell wrote:Because it is beautiful.


Image

These are what I'm talking about...vintage, yes...but don't think they need brick and mortar to be beautiful.

Wage Slave wrote:How long is a good quality timber framed house expected to last allowing for termites, rot and those sorts of risks? There are still many terraces of buildings well over 200 years old and many many more over 120 or so. They last - no doubt about that.


If built properly (really big overhang and proper drainage) timber frame homes avoid rot and last several hundreds of years. The type of wood and where you build will determine the termite risk but I'd worry more about fire. (Which brick and mortar aren't immune to either.

Europe is full of timber-framed structures dating back hundreds of years, including manors and castles, homes and inns, whose architecture and techniques of construction have evolved over the centuries. In Asia you will find timber-framed structures, many of them temples, that have stood for centuries.

http://www.timberframe1.com/post-and-be ... ty/history

Coligny wrote:Alsace got loads of woody houses...

image.jpg


Maybe they had quake issues...


That is awesome!! (Except the Jesus graffiti)
User avatar
matsuki
 
Posts: 16045
Joined: Wed Feb 02, 2011 4:29 pm
Location: All Aisu deserves a good bukkake
Top

Re: "Why Are Japanese Homes Disposable?"

Postby Russell » Tue Jul 01, 2014 9:55 am

Coligny wrote:Alsace got loads of woody houses...

image.jpg


Maybe they had quake issues...

That style of house must be from the German period...

:twisted:
Image ― Voltaire
“To learn who rules over you, simply find out who you are not allowed to criticize.”

“I know not with what weapons World War III will be fought, but World War IV will be fought with sticks and stones.” ― Albert Einstein
User avatar
Russell
Maezumo
 
Posts: 8578
Images: 1
Joined: Fri Aug 13, 2010 11:51 pm
Top

Re: "Why Are Japanese Homes Disposable?"

Postby Coligny » Tue Jul 01, 2014 10:26 am

chokonen888 wrote:
That is awesome!! (Except the Jesus graffiti)


Yup, Alsacians are a primitive tribe... Not helped by the fact that most French laws separating church and state where written when they were under German rule... Don't know of any creationist museum there... Yet... It's not as bad as texas afterall...
Marion Marechal nous voila !

Verdun

ni oubli ni pardon

never forgive never forget/ for you illiterate kapitalist pigs


Image
User avatar
Coligny
 
Posts: 21818
Images: 10
Joined: Sat Jan 17, 2009 8:12 pm
Location: Mostly big mouth and bad ideas...
  • Website
  • Personal album
Top

Re: "Why Are Japanese Homes Disposable?"

Postby wagyl » Tue Jul 01, 2014 1:04 pm

chokonen888 wrote:When the mortar has gone to shit so they have to grind down and clean each brick and rebuild the walls...at what point does it just make more sense to build something completely new with wood or concrete? Maybe still incorporate the bricks or a wall here or there but why bother going all brick?


Quite often the buildings on those programmes are heritage listed and the external appearance has to be preserved in any development.
User avatar
wagyl
Maezumo
 
Posts: 5949
Images: 0
Joined: Thu Mar 17, 2011 11:08 pm
Location: The Great Plain of the Fourth Instance
Top

Re: "Why Are Japanese Homes Disposable?"

Postby matsuki » Tue Jul 01, 2014 1:49 pm

wagyl wrote:
chokonen888 wrote:When the mortar has gone to shit so they have to grind down and clean each brick and rebuild the walls...at what point does it just make more sense to build something completely new with wood or concrete? Maybe still incorporate the bricks or a wall here or there but why bother going all brick?


Quite often the buildings on those programmes are heritage listed and the external appearance has to be preserved in any development.


If that' the case, obviously it's understandable...but they due tend to point that out and not all of them fall under those preservation rules.
User avatar
matsuki
 
Posts: 16045
Joined: Wed Feb 02, 2011 4:29 pm
Location: All Aisu deserves a good bukkake
Top

Re: "Why Are Japanese Homes Disposable?"

Postby yanpa » Tue Jul 01, 2014 3:04 pm

UK has some pretty strict planning rules regardless of heritage status... You can't just go and significantly alter the "character" of a building without express planning permission.
User avatar
yanpa
 
Posts: 5671
Images: 11
Joined: Sun Nov 04, 2007 11:50 am
Location: Tokyo
Top

Re: "Why Are Japanese Homes Disposable?"

Postby matsuki » Tue Jul 01, 2014 3:27 pm

yanpa wrote:UK has some pretty strict planning rules regardless of heritage status... You can't just go and significantly alter the "character" of a building without express planning permission.


Same in the US and Japan...well, in most places (the one redeeming quality of my jungle land is virtually no rules/regulations) but obviously timber frame or stick frame buildins meet the UK regulations as a few of the builds have been imported homes from NA and others have been timber frame that keep a few of the brick walls (probably the best compromise) while modernizing the building.
User avatar
matsuki
 
Posts: 16045
Joined: Wed Feb 02, 2011 4:29 pm
Location: All Aisu deserves a good bukkake
Top

Re: "Why Are Japanese Homes Disposable?"

Postby yanpa » Tue Jul 01, 2014 5:43 pm

What's the series called?

Meanwhile here's my parents' house; guess the construction method and approximate age.

house-view.jpg
You do not have the required permissions to view the files attached to this post.
User avatar
yanpa
 
Posts: 5671
Images: 11
Joined: Sun Nov 04, 2007 11:50 am
Location: Tokyo
Top

Re: "Why Are Japanese Homes Disposable?"

Postby BigInJapan » Tue Jul 01, 2014 6:07 pm

yanpa wrote:What's the series called?
Meanwhile here's my parents' house; guess the construction method and approximate age.
house-view.jpg

Due to the amount of red bricks and roof style, I'm going to guess Edwardian, between 1901 - 1918.
(Second guess would be mock Tudor, from the 1860's onward)
User avatar
BigInJapan
Maezumo
 
Posts: 1140
Joined: Thu May 14, 2009 6:45 pm
Location: Down south (but from the Great White North)
Top

Re: "Why Are Japanese Homes Disposable?"

Postby Wage Slave » Tue Jul 01, 2014 6:29 pm

Hmmm. having had parents who bought a repro house in the west country which looked convincing as hell after 20 years I'm going to say circa 1995, brick, cement blocks and bespoke reproduction tiles.

Looks great anyway.
It is a tale told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing.

- Macbeth (Act 5, Scene 5)

William Shakespeare, April 1564 - May 3rd 1616
User avatar
Wage Slave
Maezumo
 
Posts: 3765
Joined: Wed Aug 15, 2012 12:40 am
Top

Re: "Why Are Japanese Homes Disposable?"

Postby matsuki » Tue Jul 01, 2014 6:40 pm

Grand Designs



Looks like timber frame on top of brick and mortar? No clue how old but it looks like it's been modified since it was originally built??
User avatar
matsuki
 
Posts: 16045
Joined: Wed Feb 02, 2011 4:29 pm
Location: All Aisu deserves a good bukkake
Top

Re: "Why Are Japanese Homes Disposable?"

Postby wagyl » Tue Jul 01, 2014 6:47 pm

Hahaha I was going to guess that Choko (a shortening just like "Tommo"!) had been watching Grand Designs. That program is full of people doing things the hard way for hard-to-justify aesthetic reasons. That said, I stand by my statement that brick is not such a bad building material, especially in places which have more clay than stone or timber.

Judging by the window frames, the lack of vegetation on the walls, and the discolouration gradient of the half timbering under the eaves on the second floor, I am going to suggest that Wage Slave may be a winner.
User avatar
wagyl
Maezumo
 
Posts: 5949
Images: 0
Joined: Thu Mar 17, 2011 11:08 pm
Location: The Great Plain of the Fourth Instance
Top

Re: "Why Are Japanese Homes Disposable?"

Postby Taro Toporific » Tue Jul 01, 2014 7:00 pm

yanpa wrote:Meanwhile here's my parents' house; guess the construction method and approximate age.]

Bah.
Mo betta...

Denver_snow_01Jan07.jpg


Construction method: Proper R-22 walls (10 times Tokyo insulation) , Brick wainscoting, standard 2x6 walls (only fucking savages use 2x4), hand-laid Mexican stucco over Kevlar mesh rated for NATO 7.56 rounds.

Age: 22 years and NOTHING will need repair for 50 years because my step-brother and I used real materials (unlike all Japanese evil-fuckwad construction companies, who without exception* ALL use substandard materials).

Price? : Less than $65/sqft ( 0.092903m²/ 6,603 yen)
*Like Japanese dentists, ALL Japanese construction companies
are the Oppressors of the People and must die
.
You do not have the required permissions to view the files attached to this post.
User avatar
Taro Toporific
 
Posts: 10021532
Images: 0
Joined: Tue Sep 10, 2002 2:02 pm
Top

PreviousNext

Post a reply
238 posts • Page 7 of 8 • 1 ... 4, 5, 6, 7, 8

Return to F*cked News

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: Google [Bot] and 7 guests

  • Board index
  • The team • Delete all board cookies • All times are UTC + 9 hours
Powered by phpBB® Forum Software © phpBB Group