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Japan loosening restrictions on military?

Postby Samurai_Jerk » Sat Jun 28, 2014 1:35 pm

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Japan set for landmark easing of constitutional limits on military

Japan is poised for a historic shift in its defense policy by ending a ban that has kept the military from fighting abroad since World War Two, a major step away from post-war pacifism and a big political victory for Prime Minister Shinzo Abe.

The change will significantly widen Japan's military options by ending the ban on exercising "collective self-defense", or aiding a friendly country under attack. It will also relax limits on activities in U.N.-led peace-keeping operations and "grey zone" incidents short of full-scale war, according to a draft government proposal made available to reporters.
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Re: Japan loosening restrictions on military?

Postby Russell » Sat Jun 28, 2014 7:12 pm

In itself this is not a bad policy, but my fear is that after changing the constitution to accomplish this, all odds may be off.
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Postby Coligny » Sat Jun 28, 2014 8:02 pm

I'm sort of wondering how fit/trained/equipped is their army for more belligerent tasks.
It's cute to have politicians and high rank generals who have never fired a gun puffing their chests.
But when on the same side you have troops that stop aircrash rescue ops because it's nighty time...
Also, not sure if they realize that it's Always harder to fight a real war than just rape women and kill children and elderlies...
What are they even training for these days ?

Politicians high on their own shit believing they have leverage because of an excell spreadsheet listing numbers of boats/choppers/planes without understanding what they can do and even moar muddied by staff hiding it for fear of looking weak or career reprisal is usually a great recipe for disaster...
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Postby IparryU » Sat Jun 28, 2014 9:27 pm

As one old goat lover once said, "they are already jave been doing the shit that they are proposing. It will not just be a downplayed scenario anymore".
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Postby Coligny » Sat Jun 28, 2014 9:50 pm

Sooo... It's one of those twisted "better ask forgiveness than permission" thing...

Or here "why don't you allow it on paper since we can already do it"
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Postby yanpa » Sat Jun 28, 2014 10:33 pm

Coligny wrote:I'm sort of wondering how fit/trained/equipped is their army for more belligerent tasks.


The strategy is to drop flares which will form the shape of AKB48 members in the sky over opposing positions, and distribute flyers advertising handshaking events just behind the enemy's front line. Armed only with saws and kitchen knives, Japan's forces will overrun enemy lines before retreating to so-called "comfort maid cafes" with strict no-touching rules and a plentiful supply of tengas.
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Postby Coligny » Sat Jun 28, 2014 10:59 pm

You really have to invite me at your next birthday bash...

Sound much more fun than my pretend tea parties with the furkids...
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Postby Russell » Sat Jun 28, 2014 11:05 pm

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Coligny wrote:I'm sort of wondering how fit/trained/equipped is their army for more belligerent tasks.


The strategy is to drop flares which will form the shape of AKB48 members in the sky over opposing positions, and distribute flyers advertising handshaking events just behind the enemy's front line. Armed only with saws and kitchen knives, Japan's forces will overrun enemy lines before retreating to so-called "comfort maid cafes" with strict no-touching rules and a plentiful supply of tengas.

Hmm, I think the J-army will go straight for these Chinese comfort-machines...

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Postby Samurai_Jerk » Mon Jun 30, 2014 4:36 pm

Half Japanese voters oppose Abe's security shift

Half of Japanese voters oppose dropping a ban that has kept the military from fighting abroad since World War Two, a survey showed on Monday, as Prime Minister Shinzo Abe readied a landmark shift in security policy that would ease the constraints of the pacifist constitution on the armed forces .....

Fifty percent of Japanese voters oppose dropping the ban compared to 34 percent who support the change, a survey by the Nikkei business daily showed. The rest were undecided.

Fifty-four percent of respondents to the June 27-29 survey were against making the change by reinterpreting the pacifist charter rather than going through politically more difficult formal amendment procedures, the Nikkei said.
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Postby wagyl » Mon Jun 30, 2014 5:36 pm

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Fifty-four percent of respondents to the June 27-29 survey were against making the change by reinterpreting the pacifist charter rather than going through politically more difficult formal amendment procedures, the Nikkei said.

That raises the question as to whether they are objecting to the method used to achieve the aim, or opposed to the final aim.
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Postby Samurai_Jerk » Mon Jun 30, 2014 5:56 pm

wagyl wrote:
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Fifty-four percent of respondents to the June 27-29 survey were against making the change by reinterpreting the pacifist charter rather than going through politically more difficult formal amendment procedures, the Nikkei said.

That raises the question as to whether they are objecting to the method used to achieve the aim, or opposed to the final aim.


The paragraph right before that would seem to answer your question. 50% against it in principal, 54% against the method being used. That would lead me to believe that only a small percentage of people support the idea but are against how it's being done.
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Postby Samurai_Jerk » Tue Jul 01, 2014 6:32 pm

Japan approves larger military role

Japan took a step away Tuesday from an American-drafted constitution that has long kept its military shackled, approving a plan to allow greater use of a force that was vanquished at the end of World War II.

In one of the biggest changes to Japanese security policy since the war, the ruling coalition gave approval to reinterpret the constitution on military affairs. It now awaits endorsement — a formality — by the Cabinet of Prime Minister Shinzo Abe, who has made raising the country's military profile a cornerstone of his nationalist policies.
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Postby Coligny » Tue Jul 01, 2014 8:45 pm

So, time to buy Mitsubishi Heavy and ?
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Postby Grumpy Gramps » Tue Jul 01, 2014 11:55 pm

Budget deficit might rise a bit, when Abe starts shopping for aircraft carriers and ray guns and things. So you could buy government bonds to show your support and loyalty?
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Postby Coligny » Wed Jul 02, 2014 12:22 am

Grumpy Gramps wrote:Budget deficit might rise a bit, when Abe starts shopping for aircraft carriers and ray guns and things. So you could buy government WAR bonds to show your support and loyalty?



Fixed that for you...

Welcome to a world of sux. For now it's just turd sandwiches with feces icing.

Next step is up shit creek without a paddle...
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Postby Hijinx » Wed Jul 02, 2014 7:11 pm

Could someone explain to me the difference between the J-TV ubiquitous term "collective self-defense" and just plain old "self-defense?"
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Postby Coligny » Wed Jul 02, 2014 7:25 pm

Hijinx wrote:Could someone explain to me the difference between the J-TV ubiquitous term "collective self-defense" and just plain old "self-defense?"


might be sumthing like this
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Postby Russell » Wed Jul 02, 2014 8:13 pm

Hijinx wrote:Could someone explain to me the difference between the J-TV ubiquitous term "collective self-defense" and just plain old "self-defense?"

In Japan's case, it works as follows:

Self-defense: provide services to US forces stationed in Japan, who will in return defend Japan against military attacks from other nations.

Collective self-defense: same as the above, but now Japan is also allowed to sweep mines from its waters, to free the way for the US navy.
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Postby matsuki » Wed Jul 02, 2014 8:49 pm

Russell wrote:Japan is also allowed to sweep mines from its waters, to free the way for the US navy.


...cause mines are the worst of our worries...



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Postby Samurai_Jerk » Tue Jul 08, 2014 4:47 pm

Japan's Abe declares 'special relationship' with Australia on visit

Japanese Prime Minister Shinzo Abe told Australia's parliament on Tuesday that the two nations were launching a "special relationship" of cooperation on areas such as defense after putting aside any lingering enmity from World War Two.

Abe, warily eying China's rapid military buildup and more assertive claims to islands held by Japan in the East China Sea, has been courting governments from Canberra to Southeast Asia in recent months. China is Australia's largest trading partner.

"Today I stand in front of you, who represent the people of Australia, and state solemnly that now Japan and Australia will finally use our relationship of trust," Abe told a joint session, the first such speech by a Japanese leader.

He and Australian counterpart Tony Abbott were to sign an agreement on military equipment and technology transfers, a week after Abe loosened curbs on Japan's military, as well as an economic partnership pact.
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Postby Coligny » Tue Jul 08, 2014 6:30 pm

and technology transfers
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One way I suppose... unless Japan remove restriction on pointy sticks import...
Or is it just for australian nukular mines ?
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Postby yanpa » Tue Jul 08, 2014 6:36 pm

Coligny wrote:
and technology transfers
!!!????

One way I suppose... unless Japan remove restriction on pointy sticks import...
Or is it just for australian nukular mines ?


Let me introduce you to Japan's new secret weapon: the foot-boomerang. Functioning on the principle of a normal boomerang but shaped like a foot, it will be launched by Japanese politicians in the general direction of China, Korea et all before coming back to lodge itself firmly in the firing politico's mouth.
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Postby matsuki » Tue Jul 08, 2014 9:52 pm

Well, I do like the whole anti-China coalition concept....but Japan has no business being the one to organize it.
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Postby Russell » Tue Jul 08, 2014 10:20 pm

chokonen888 wrote:Well, I do like the whole anti-China coalition concept....but Japan has no business being the one to organize it.

Why not?
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Postby Russell » Tue Jul 08, 2014 10:22 pm

Coligny wrote:
and technology transfers
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One way I suppose... unless Japan remove restriction on pointy sticks import...
Or is it just for australian nukular mines ?

C'mon Coligny, Japanese submarines seem to be very high quality.

It would not surprise me if there are other arms-related product in which they also excel.
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Postby Coligny » Tue Jul 08, 2014 10:41 pm

MBTs... unproven MBTs... And for this I'd rather look toward South African offering, they have quite some cool stuff for bush warfare. Developed during warfare situation (read, it's not conception by committee while snorting coke from the boobs of underage prostitute but designed while shit was being blown up around their soldiers) and combat proven.

Most of everything else is built under license and can usually not be produced for export by contract (only the chinese pulled this shit on the Russians with the SU27 family).
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Postby matsuki » Wed Jul 09, 2014 10:05 am

Russell wrote:
chokonen888 wrote:Well, I do like the whole anti-China coalition concept....but Japan has no business being the one to organize it.

Why not?


With Japan at the head, the easy red herring that works so well in "Asian logic" will mean the dumbfuck masses of China will instantly be convinced this is some sort of Imperial Japan revival to take over China or some shit. Boycotting Japanese products, destroying Japanese factories in China, just all out Japan-hate off the current charts. Put one of the other SE Asian countries at the head and have Japan "support" them and it becomes a different animal (at least on the surface)
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Postby Samurai_Jerk » Wed Jul 09, 2014 11:27 am

chokonen888 wrote:
Russell wrote:
chokonen888 wrote:Well, I do like the whole anti-China coalition concept....but Japan has no business being the one to organize it.

Why not?


With Japan at the head, the easy red herring that works so well in "Asian logic" will mean the dumbfuck masses of China will instantly be convinced this is some sort of Imperial Japan revival to take over China or some shit. Boycotting Japanese products, destroying Japanese factories in China, just all out Japan-hate off the current charts. Put one of the other SE Asian countries at the head and have Japan "support" them and it becomes a different animal (at least on the surface)


That wouldn't make a difference. They would just spin it as Japan being the puppet master.
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Postby matsuki » Wed Jul 09, 2014 11:57 am

Samurai_Jerk wrote:
chokonen888 wrote:
Russell wrote:
chokonen888 wrote:Well, I do like the whole anti-China coalition concept....but Japan has no business being the one to organize it.

Why not?


With Japan at the head, the easy red herring that works so well in "Asian logic" will mean the dumbfuck masses of China will instantly be convinced this is some sort of Imperial Japan revival to take over China or some shit. Boycotting Japanese products, destroying Japanese factories in China, just all out Japan-hate off the current charts. Put one of the other SE Asian countries at the head and have Japan "support" them and it becomes a different animal (at least on the surface)


That wouldn't make a difference. They would just spin it as Japan being the puppet master.


True, but the spin would be less credible. With Japan at the head, even western countries would recognize this coalition as mostly Japan vs. China.
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Postby Samurai_Jerk » Thu Jul 10, 2014 8:12 am

chokonen888 wrote:
Samurai_Jerk wrote:
chokonen888 wrote:
Russell wrote:
chokonen888 wrote:Well, I do like the whole anti-China coalition concept....but Japan has no business being the one to organize it.

Why not?


With Japan at the head, the easy red herring that works so well in "Asian logic" will mean the dumbfuck masses of China will instantly be convinced this is some sort of Imperial Japan revival to take over China or some shit. Boycotting Japanese products, destroying Japanese factories in China, just all out Japan-hate off the current charts. Put one of the other SE Asian countries at the head and have Japan "support" them and it becomes a different animal (at least on the surface)


That wouldn't make a difference. They would just spin it as Japan being the puppet master.


True, but the spin would be less credible. With Japan at the head, even western countries would recognize this coalition as mostly Japan vs. China.


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