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wagyl wrote:Since this question will by nature get personal to your circumstances you might think about getting it shifted to a more private forum, but speaking generally proof that you are supporting two underage Japanese citizens will be a positive thing. Without that, I would think that you would be treated like any other single, and they would want to see a 10 year residence record from you.
I strongly suspect that their biggest factor, apart from having put in the time, is whether you can support yourself without becoming a burden on the state. Proven income earning capacity, and assets if you have them, will help.
I really don't know whether Immigration pays much attention to any record they might keep of previous, failed applications, but depending on how they treat that fact, you could say "apply anyway, you have little to lose and lots to gain."
If you are asking what your chances are, I really don't know. My first paragraph addresses some factors unique to you, so probably no one can tell you. You might want to think about whether there is a reason for you to apply now rather than in three years time (and there may be some reasons personal to your future plans which do suggest now is a better time for you, but only you know that).
Edited to add one more factor:
Is your current visa the longest term that was available at the time you applied for it (three years or five years)? I have no hard facts, but the story used to be that people applying for PR on a one year visa were automatically knocked back.
wagyl wrote:Gut instinct says that if you apply this time, while you are still under a single year visa, they will knock you back. Basically, having only a one year visa now means that just one year ago they were not sure enough about you to give you a three year visa (and I remember the details there...) I would wait to see if I get a three or five year visa this time, and then apply if I did.
If anyone has direct knowledge of a successful PR application while still under a single year visa, now is the time to tell me I am talking shit.
GomiGirl wrote:Get thee to an immigration lawyer - stat!!
Better chance of getting it first time.
IparryU wrote:I will be here to support my children and that is pretty much my only reason why I am still here to be honest. I am also going to get the ex to write something to help me out. She will also be the guarantor, so I am hoping that this will improve my odds a bit.
One thing that I was worrying about is if they try to push a divorce fraud on us as she is collecting money from the govt for being a single mom. There were a few people in our daycare that divorced just to get their kids in the same daycare. The dad would "move" to his parents house so all the paperwork is legit. We are divorced for the purpose of not being compatible with each other, but we both agree on one thing... take care of our kids and give them the best life we could provide them. Even Choko knocks on me about it... saying that I am basically married, but not.
IparryU wrote:GomiGirl wrote:Get thee to an immigration lawyer - stat!!
Better chance of getting it first time.
recommendations GG?
matsuki wrote:Reason I'm applying for PR - Any key phrase here that is golden? Something I can just add on to and personalize? Obviously I don't want to just come out and say something like "to be eligible for loans "
matsuki wrote:So based on a few "no PR, no care" walls I've run into lately, I'm looking to finally apply for PR. It's been 9 years straight this time and I'm currently on a 5 year work visa. Had a student visa back in the day, went through all the lengths of work visas to the current 5 year. No longer married (that I know of but I do need to check out the juminhyo sometime in the near future)
Working on filling out the paperwork now and had some questions....
Reason I'm applying for PR - Any key phrase here that is golden? Something I can just add on to and personalize? Obviously I don't want to just come out and say something like "to be eligible for loans and not have to visit immigration every 5 years."
Family in Japan - Should I include my son? No idea where he and crazy mama are and he's not on the books in Japan as mine but he has his US passport and registered as mine in the US. In the same boat, should I include the ex wife? On good terms with her and while not romantically involved, practically still like family. My gut says yes on both accounts but would appreciate opinions for or against including either.
Guarantor - More than a few people to choose from here, should I just go with the boss who is not yet retired/wealthiest? (also easiest) Older hockey buddy at a major corp? or?
Personal History - The Engrish just says "personal history" whereas the Japanese says 今回の入国後の学歴・職歴 Sooooo just list my previous two positions and the certifications and such I've received since my first visa this time around? Few of those and I can probably fill all the boxes but while it's not exactly academic, is getting a J-driver's license worth adding here? Giving up my furrin hockey player status to commit to only Japanese hockey? (assuming this is to show my potential/skills/commitment/etc here, that would seem applicable, no?)
Last of all, picture....printed with the form or are they anaru about it being a pasted on "photo-print?"
Russell wrote:I wouldn't put in any facts about your son and his crazy mother, because this may give the wrong impression. Neither would I put in your ex, because she is your ex, and thus not relevant. Basically, they look for residents who do not disturb their society too much, and putting all that shit in there doesn't help in my humble opinion (unless, of course, they ask for it).
wagyl wrote:As to whether to mention a complicated marital history and DNA contribution to the citizenry: you are essentially applying as a single person, and I am not convinced that the ties you can demonstrate show a stable relationship with the country. Always look at the form from the point of view of Immigration: their concern is whether you will be a burden on Japan. If your earnings were being used to contribute to the upkeep of child or to support a wife, they would have an interest in making that support for a Japanese national more stable by granting PR to that breadwinner, but in any other circumstances it is not really a plus. It is not necessarily a minus, but it is not a plus.
Russell wrote:Reason for applying for permanent status I gave that I wanted to buy a house in Japan and have a more stable life. Actually, I bought it 15 years later, but who cares. The point being that if you want to buy a house, you show the signs of wanting a stable life (plus!), and supporting the construction industry (huge plus!). You may also add that you want to start a business of renting vacation homes in the Inaka (I'm referring to your construction efforts going on). Or anything business-related should sound positive, I guess.
wagyl wrote:I was probably fewer moons ago than Gramps, but I didn't even have the excuse of loan applications to state as my reason. From memory I used some bullshit like "employer is concerned about my ability to guarantee that I could continue residence and my employment and it would help them if my immigration status was longer than (the then current longest) three years and more stable, and also, for their flexibility, if my employment status was not limited to humanities/international services." This was notwithstanding that my immediate boss was not in fact prepared to go guarantor -- he was (accurately, as it turns out) worried that the extra freedom of PR may lead to me seeking greener pastures than he provided.
wagyl wrote:For guarantor I used someone I could describe as none other than a friend: he was a houseshare friend from eight or so years previously. As you see in the form, guarantor has to provide documentation of income and good tax behaviour, to show his or her status as a fine upstanding citizen who has capacity to bail you out. Your boss is probably the best choice, especially if easiest. I didn't have that option.
Russell wrote:I am not an expert in ice hockey, but if you judge yourself to be of the level of qualifying for the national team, you should definitely put it in there. In that case, your ice hockey buddy may be a good reference.
wagyl wrote:The hockey shows participation in community and society in Japan, so I think that will help, even if only a little. The drivers license .... well, if there is a blank space on the form crying out for something in it, maybe put it in but if there are greater achievements to showcase I don't think much harm will be done if it doesn't make the grade.
wagyl wrote:How long would you have to wait to get to 10 years in the country? I would tend to wait until that milestone has passed, if only to tick a box and give them one less reason to reject you easily, unless there is some reason you can use like visa renewal coming up before that deadline.
Coligny wrote:Hmmm...
You have a dog... and in Tokyo...
If anyone is a dog/pet person at the immigrashiun that might help a bit...
matsuki wrote:Coligny wrote:Hmmm...
You have a dog... and in Tokyo...
If anyone is a dog/pet person at the immigrashiun that might help a bit...
Good point, no place on the form for that but should be included in my supporting documents.
Russell wrote:matsuki wrote:Coligny wrote:Hmmm...
You have a dog... and in Tokyo...
If anyone is a dog/pet person at the immigrashiun that might help a bit...
Good point, no place on the form for that but should be included in my supporting documents.
I think Mr. C is joking...
Coligny wrote:Not really actually. Having a pet in japan/tokyo is not exactly a milk run.
wangta wrote:Best wishes for your PR attempt matsuki. If it's Shinagawa, expect anything. Somebody I worked with two years ago was rejected for PR despite having 10 and a little over years in Japan, a record of something like over seven years w/ the same employer and a very high level of Jp language ability. Plus kokumin kenkohoken and juminzei payments.
That was fucking fucked - the rejection I mean. He was single - seems to me from various things I've heard that single gaijin who want PR are not prioritised.
matsuki wrote:Just a quick update to this - friend of a friend is an immigration attorney so I had a free consult with her. Based upon all my info and everything, she thinks obtaining PR should be cake. She drew up a 90% complete letter for my exec friends to complete and took copies of the documentation proving I own land here. She says this is where who you know giving immigration a written "love this guy" may speed things up.
The one hiccup I found out is this...the attorney followed up with the ex and apparently she somehow filed the kekkon/rikon todoke without me. All fine and dandy except what I was unaware of, and the ex confirmed the shiyakusho never mentioned it....by law, if you wife up here, you are required to change your visa status to spousal visa. I knew it was possible and would remove the work criteria limits...but you are required to make the change within a couple months of kekkontodoke filing or else you're technically in violation of of the immigration laws. According to the attorney, this is strictly enforced and violators may be arrested/deported. She thinks it won't be an issue as the inaka shiyakusho are sorta known for failing to notify FG of this requirement BUT she said it is a potential issue if they choose to make it one...
matsuki wrote:by law, if you wife up here, you are required to change your visa status to spousal visa. I knew it was possible and would remove the work criteria limits...but you are required to make the change within a couple months of kekkontodoke filing or else you're technically in violation of of the immigration laws. According to the attorney, this is strictly enforced and violators may be arrested/deported. She thinks it won't be an issue as the inaka shiyakusho are sorta known for failing to notify FG of this requirement BUT she said it is a potential issue if they choose to make it one...
legion wrote:If it becomes an issue just ask them for the best way to resolve it. Straight off the bat, before they go down the mental process of potential punitive measures put them on the quest for the wa.
wagyl wrote:matsuki wrote:by law, if you wife up here, you are required to change your visa status to spousal visa. I knew it was possible and would remove the work criteria limits...but you are required to make the change within a couple months of kekkontodoke filing or else you're technically in violation of of the immigration laws. According to the attorney, this is strictly enforced and violators may be arrested/deported. She thinks it won't be an issue as the inaka shiyakusho are sorta known for failing to notify FG of this requirement BUT she said it is a potential issue if they choose to make it one...
I haven't seen anything on the Immigration site to back this up -- the only thing vaguely relevant that I saw was in a FAQ about what to do if divorced while on a spouse visa. As you say it is just that you are on a more restricted visa than the one you are entitled to, so it makes little sense, but you know and I know that whether something makes any sense is not a consideration in this field.
If such a rule does exist, it would have to be quite nuanced. For example, as stated that sounds like if a person with PR or a Zainichi marries a Japanese person they must step down to a spouse visa, and I doubt that that is the case, either.
legion wrote:If it becomes an issue just ask them for the best way to resolve it. Straight off the bat, before they go down the mental process of potential punitive measures put them on the quest for the wa.
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