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Re: Car Camping in Japan... where to rent a car?

Postby kurogane » Tue Apr 29, 2014 3:49 pm

jake9115 wrote:by the way i spent a good deal of time professionally driving and working in an ambulance at night to earn money as a grad student, so it's not like I'm some asshole who can't drive!


Does that make you an asshole that can drive, or did I read that wrong? :razz: ;)

Anyhoo, good idea about borrowing a car. To continue with the Gunpowder Highway theme (it's actually the Saltpeter Highway, but that sounds like a metaphor for anaphrodisiacs):

FYI, you can view quite a bit of both ends of that road (Hwy 54) on Google Streetview to get an idea. It appears the area around Bunao Toge (Bunao Pass) is definitely blocked off and overgrown, so toughing it through is not an option. You could do a one or 2 nighter up from Kanazawa, then back around, another night on the east side of Bunao Toge, and then back down and kick around the UNESCO World Heritage Site villages of Shirakawa and Gokayama, maybe with a splurge on a stay in a real Gassho B&B (I can recommend the good ones). You could then take Gifu Hwy 360 over the hump to Hida Takayama and Hida Furukawa, both groovy little olden towns, and much cooler in summer than the lowlands.

Anyways, here is another plan I dreamed up, staying with the microexploration of one area, in this case, Hokuriku: take a slow train from Tokyo to the Sea of Japan coast, say Shinetsu. It's about 4 hours and 3000 yen by Shinkaisoku. You'll probably have to transfer, as there are few through trains with the Kaisoku. Then, down by train by the same method to Kanazawa. Again, 4 hours-ish, and 3000 yen. Stay a night at one of the guest houses there for about 2500 per head. Rent a car out of Kanazawa and drive up the Gunpowder highway, around to the Gassho Line, and maybe even out to Noto Hanto / Wajima. Back to Kanazawa, drop off car, and go on from there. You might also be eligible for the Seishun 18 Kippu, which is 12000 for 5 tickets. One ticket is good for one day, but they are only good at that price on regular slow trains and Kaisoku.

Another micro-exploration idea would be Tango Hanto in Kyoto (Tenki Tenki Tango!!!!): you could probably do that as an extension of the Hokuriku chapter. After the Kanazawa bit, you hop another train down the Sea of Japan coast to say, Maizuru or Miyazu, rent another car and spend a day or two driving around the Tango Peninsula. Here We are running into the problem that Russell and Wagyl mentioned above, namely that I haven't been there in 6 years, and a lot of the rather fancy rural camping sites and facilities may have been closed or rundown. Info on Da Webz is sparse and sketchy, even in Japanese, so it makes planning difficult.

As a general comment, none of these otherwise laudable facilities were ever intended as a genuine public service for the enjoyment of Outsiders: they were devised and run as traps to get Dem Cursed City Folk to drop their hard earned wages in the respective villages. And they failed, and now we have the haunted remnants to remind us that the very idea of Public in Japan is very weird. They were always little more than a rural concrete/construction lobby boondoggle sold as local tourism development initiatives, and once the weight of the maintenance budgets fell on the local authorities they lost interest and let them go to seed. Some sites might be useable, but even at ones that are you will draw funny looks if not outright resentment from the locals, many of whom either run a B&B or are related to somebody that does.

I would also recommend dropping this fixation on a Kei car. Any enjoyable drive will be made that much more enjoyable in a car that is a car, not a toy designed for toilet paper runs and picking up grandma from the enema clinic. Keis are the frilly pink panties of automobiles. The gas savings will be minimal unless you start driving cross country, for which you don't have the budget anyways.

At any rate, belatedly, I join the others in wishing you well and a great trip. Now, one thing: has anybody mentioned yet that it is going to be HOTTTTTttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttt???? :razz: :rolleyes:


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Re: Car Camping in Japan... where to rent a car?

Postby jake9115 » Wed Apr 30, 2014 12:37 am

First, I accept defeat, and no longer will continue with my K-car fetish (since i'm not planning on visiting THAT many enema clinics :oops: ). Anything that is drivable and has folding back seats to allow me to sleep if needed would be awesome, and I'm hoping borrowing a car will work out. Another idea, I found a bunch of websites with host families who let you stay for the night, get a shower, have some food, etc., for like $20. Anyone have experience with these? Seems like a great deal and a good chance to meet some random nihonjin around the country, which is a huge bonus. I got seriously drunk at a bar called Kamiya on some bullshit called デンキプラム with a 70 year-old random Japanese dude, and those kind of happenings can't be planned!

Kurogane, I like your ideas... After searching around (a lot of it using google steetview to find the kind of scenery and stuff I am interest in) I decided that Shirakawago and the noto peninsula and wajima are certainly places I'll be visiting. My wife is interested in the melon and sushi around shizouka and I want to see fujisan, so my initial though was a week long trip that would start in tokyo, take highway 413 past to lake Yamana, curve around the north side of fujisan and through the aokigahara forest, head south past fujinomiya, and then proceed to shizouka, and then north through gifu/shirakawago, and then up to wajima and the rest of noto.

I'm going to check out all of the towns and highways you suggest on streetview and include them in the trip. If you know of a nice gassho to spend for the night, please let me know! I've found this website so far that looks pretty reasonable: http://www.japaneseguesthouses.com/ryok ... irakawa-go

Those night trains are another good thought, I didn't realize they were that cheap! Something to certainly consider. And I'm hoping to battle the heat by spending the nights in the mountainy areas of the Japanese alps, and I'll probably bring a cheapo tent incase the car is just too hot.
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Re: Car Camping in Japan... where to rent a car?

Postby kurogane » Wed Apr 30, 2014 7:24 am

jake9115 wrote:  First, I accept defeat, and no longer will continue with my K-car fetish (since i'm not planning on visiting THAT many enema clinics :oops: ).  


Hehehe. You'll also be more comfortable. Keis are for people with Asian proportions. I couldn't even safely drive them until they got bigger ad I am only long legged, not tall.. You can save your Kei fetish for when you have to go pickup your wife from HER enema clinic......................... :wink:

I can't help with the car but it's a good idea. As for home stay, right, good one. One note: if you aren't legally married you should just say you are. Peoples can still be weird about that one. Also, as a general note, I understand you're doing the planning, but you really do need to put the wife to work here. She can rent a car, lease a car, make all the reservations, etc. Don't let her fall into the Native Woman Passive Role. No offence or presumption intended, of course. I am sure she is both loverly and loverble.

Also, they aren't night trains. There are only 1 or 2 of those left, sadly, and the sleeper surcharge is quite something. They're basicially nostalgia trains for the denture wearers. What I am talking about is non express, non Shinkansen regional Rapid trains. They run along any regional main line, and they're cheap. To get from Tokyo to Kanazawa in a day on those you would need to leave at 7 am-ish and plan for 8 hours, but it would only be 6000 yen. CHEEP!!!!!!!!!


jake9115 wrote: Kurogane, I like your ideas... After searching around (a lot of it using google steetview to find the kind of scenery and stuff I am interest in) I decided that Shirakawago and the noto peninsula and wajima are certainly places I'll be visiting. My wife is interested in the melon and sushi around shizouka and I want to see fujisan, so my initial though was a week long trip that would start in tokyo, take highway 413 past to lake Yamana, curve around the north side of fujisan and through the aokigahara forest, head south past fujinomiya, and then proceed to shizouka, and then north through gifu/shirakawago, and then up to wajima and the rest of noto.  


Actually, yeah, doing a melon & fish run through Shizuoka/Tokai would take you down towards the narrow part of the hump anyways. Hwy 152 goes due north from Hamamatsu, and you can take a left at 361 to get through to Hida Takayama via the upland route, and then onto SKG (Shirakawa-go, ne) via 360, depending on its condition. It's quite a rabbit track. There's actually a funky highland track route that gets you most of the way, but it's complicated, and could be closed off or rundown like other old forestry roads, and probably no good in a non-4WD. FYI, it's called the Ushikubi Pass Road, and runs into #34 at the east end. Going west to east, figuring the proper entrance is tough; from the east, probably not so much (the options are rather obvious), so that could be an alternative entry to SKG. This guy seems to have done it in 2010, from east to west. http://netishim.seesaa.net/article/200566186.html At any rate, I like his style, except for the night mission idea.

Another option I just thought of was to take Hwy 152 N to #256 and pop W through Gujo Hachiman. They have a raucous Obon Festival that is really quite a sight, with full, free and drunken participation by all comers considered de rigeur. But that's Aug 13-16 or so. Still, a very cool old riverside town with a good traditional townscape, and that takes you onto Hwy 156, the Shirakawa Highway. I would recommend trying to enter Shirakawa from the south: it's the traditional route, the scenery is better, and it builds the anticipation better than coming in from the north. And then you are set up for the run north and down and out to Noto. Which would actually make you one of relatively few to have busted a full cherry on the Shirakawa Highway proper (Gifu to Takaoka). It's the old trade route to get silk and saltpeter down to the towns and various comestibles up to the hills. It is also said to be one of the main routes used by the Taira Clan as they fled extermination by the Minamoto in the 12th Century after their decimation at Dannoura.

And for those who care, Wagyl's delightful Oyaji Gyaggzu aside, places named Taira in that incongruously mountainous area are named so because they claim a direct lineage from those refugees, said to have been the first pioneer settlers in the area, though as it is explicitly said they then "mixed with the locals already there", one does wonder if they weren't just shiftless bums looking for a handout. It could well be they brought more advanced architectural techniques from the Imperial Court that developed into the particular Gassho style, though a large, steeply sloping deltoid roof frame thickly thatched in Very Snowy Country hardly requires an anthropological ephipany to buy as a plausible punctuated indigenous adaptation to local conditions.

jake9115 wrote:  If you know of a nice gassho to spend for the night, please let me know! I've found this website so far that looks pretty reasonable: http://www.japaneseguesthouses.com/ryok ... irakawa-go   


I didn't look at the link, and most Gassho B&B are well run and pleasant, but I always recommend Yokichi or Magoemon: they're located on the river, and both owners are pleasant and personable and they're only a 5 minute walk from the inevitable Onsen. It's not actually a natural spring, but it's a nice bathhouse.

It probably does 8000 per night (each), but that is with 2 meals, and occasional splurging is good for you anyways, and really good for You Know Who................there's also a bar: The Kariyudo (The Hunter). Tell Ryu I said hi. He's the really, really big guy with the good smile reading 34 year old Manga.
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Re: Car Camping in Japan... where to rent a car?

Postby Russell » Wed Apr 30, 2014 10:48 pm

Jake, I just got wondering whether there are no package tours, in which flight tickets are combined with a rental car against a discount. There are tours like that inside Japan (for example to Okinawa), but I am not sure about travel from abroad to Japan.
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Re: Car Camping in Japan... where to rent a car?

Postby jake9115 » Thu May 01, 2014 5:47 am

Hey Russell,

Thanks for the suggestion, I've looked into a few of those kind of deals, and generally they are more expensive because I am buying the airfare through a travel agency, and their surcharge outweighs any group discount.


So!!

I am posting a general appeal to any FGs who may have a spare car to lend for a few days! Rather than lots of money, I'd be happy to figure out some kind of non-monetary renumeration, like my suggestions before about bringing a bunch of groceries/items from the USA, or in exchange for some antique cookware (if you're wives care about that sorta thing), or whatever I can help with. I'm currently working as a computational scientist, so I could, uh, program... some scripts... for computations... if you needed for some reason :roll: . In any case, I'd of course bring the car back cleaned and washed inside and out and with a full tank. If possible, I would like to borrow the car for about a week, and would likely use it to go from Tokyo to the Noto Peninsula in Ishikawa prefecture and back, which is something like 1,600km. I'd also be happy to pay for an oil change since I would be adding on kilometers!

In any case, thanks for the suggestions everyone, I'm real excited about this trip and appreciate the insiders' perspective!
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Re: Car Camping in Japan... where to rent a car?

Postby Taka-Okami » Thu May 01, 2014 9:26 am

Have you ever tried to 'sleep' in a car before? I have, and it sucks, you generally get very little sleep which makes you cranky for the rest of the day.

My advice is to hire the 'kei' and stay in back packers or youth hostels typically only 2 or 3 thousand yen per night for a dorm.

The other thing you can do is WWOOF (Willing Workers on Organic Farms) where you put in a few hours work in return for free food and a roof over your head.
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Re: Car Camping in Japan... where to rent a car?

Postby jake9115 » Thu May 01, 2014 9:57 am

Yep, I've slept in cars before, and although it sucks but the worst part for me was the fear of having police/assholes interrupt the night. Cars with back seats that fold flat can be really accommodating, but I see your point and have heard the masses and am changing up my plan to rely less on car camping.

I'll be bringing a tent with me from the States and will probably sleep outside in the tent to stay cooler and be able to stretch out. Also, I'm gonna splurge on a nice gassho and plan some homestays. So all in all, I may not even sleep in the car, but instead next to the car in a tent or in a actual bed! So that still leaves me with the important problem of...


NEEDING A CAR!! :!:
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Re: Car Camping in Japan... where to rent a car?

Postby jake9115 » Thu May 01, 2014 9:58 am

Nice point with the WWOOF program, I've thought about that in the past but assumed it was only for multi-day stints. I'll give it another looksie.
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Re: Car Camping in Japan... where to rent a car?

Postby wagyl » Thu May 08, 2014 10:22 pm

Sorry I've been absent from the discussion: I was just on a trip taking me as far north as Aomori and as far south as Wakayama in a 660cc van with five of those nights sleeping in the car. I think most "never sleep in a car" horror stories are from people who didn't sleep in the right car.

That will put a cat among the pigeon plans! But before the conversation goes in that direction, I am sorry but you can not borrow my car, I will probably be using it myself.
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Re: Car Camping in Japan... where to rent a car?

Postby Coligny » Thu May 08, 2014 11:33 pm

Missing parameter: japanese summer heat and humidity.
Hell, i even get to sleep strapped to my deskpit ejector seat with its glorious 1cm foam padding on hardwood. With Parisian spring weather, not 35°/80% humidity
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Re: Car Camping in Japan... where to rent a car?

Postby matsuki » Fri May 09, 2014 1:15 am

wagyl wrote:Sorry I've been absent from the discussion: I was just on a trip taking me as far north as Aomori and as far south as Wakayama in a 660cc van with five of those nights sleeping in the car. I think most "never sleep in a car" horror stories are from people who didn't sleep in the right car.

That will put a cat among the pigeon plans! But before the conversation goes in that direction, I am sorry but you can not borrow my car, I will probably be using it myself.


I can fit a double sized mattress perfectly in the back of my minivan but the whole greenhouse effect all that glass has on the interior temps would roast me in the summer. (and open windows would turn the interior into a bug farm) So I'd still recommend going the tent route in the summertime, unless it can't be avoided. (They even make inflatable tents now so ANYONE can quickly set one up/take one down in minutes.)
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Re: Car Camping in Japan... where to rent a car?

Postby jake9115 » Sat May 10, 2014 3:22 am

Ouch, green house effect, forgot about that. Especially with the long summer days, i bet the internal temp of the back of a car will get pretty smokey.

So I bought a tent! Sweet little 3-person tent from amazon for $50: http://www.amazon.com/Coleman-Sundome-3 ... man+tent+3 and an inflatable air mattress to go with it. I also found a great website (in japanese but very usable without speaking japanese) for finding campsites as well as amenities, prices, etc.: http://www.hatinosu.net/camp/

The other sites ppl have mention in this thread are really helpful too. I'm definitely choosing camping sites in the mountains and planning the trip accordingly to sleep in the cooler high elevation areas.

Still need a car though :lol:
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Re: Car Camping in Japan... where to rent a car?

Postby yanpa » Thu Aug 07, 2014 9:11 am

These motherfuckers might be worth checking out for camping-related vehicular hire: http://www.wickedcampers.co.jp/

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Postby wagyl » Thu Aug 07, 2014 11:33 am

yanpa wrote:These motherfuckers might be worth checking out for camping-related vehicular hire: http://www.wickedcampers.co.jp/

(warning: mildly obnoxious, "jumpy" design with annoying Javascript fade-ins)


Not the only thing dodgy about the site. I'm sure if I looked deeper I could find worse, but
them motherfuckers! wrote:During fall, depart from Takasaki and explore Gunma area. Overnight in Ikaho Onsen. Visit Lake Akagi (koyo and a walking path around the lake), Numata city (famous for the big red masks). There is a mother farm in the area, famous udon town. Kronenberg Ranch (German theme), and a bunch of other stuff. If you have time, Minakami Onsen and Tanigawadake cable car. Tanigawadake is reputed to be the tallest mountain in Japan which means it has some snow all year round.

I want to see that mother farm near the mountain reputed to be the tallest in Japan!

(The booking number listed on the site is their Australian domestic-only-access freedial number, so good luck trying that. Idly seeing if there was a geographical number tied to that freedial got no results, so you can only make your booking while you are in Australia. And I suppose that also means that you can't call them with an issue while you are on the road here [hopefully when you pick up the car you will be told other ways to contact them. In fact, their Contact Us page lists a mobile number and an apartment in Noda, Chiba.]. All in all a website high on what they think of as cool, and low on practicality.
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Postby Samurai_Jerk » Thu Aug 07, 2014 11:45 am

The David Cronenberg-themed ranch sounds fun but I thought Yo' Momma's Farm was in Chiba.
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Postby wagyl » Thu Aug 07, 2014 11:55 am

Samurai_Jerk wrote:The David Cronenberg-themed ranch sound fun but I thought Yo' Momma's Farm was in Chiba.


The one in Chiba is listed among the highlights of Chiba, but who knows, maybe southern Boso peninsula is regarded as being "in the area" from Takasaki.

Also something tells me that Akagi Kronenberg will ultimately be a disappointment, but I am a cynic like that.
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Re: Car Camping in Japan... where to rent a car?

Postby Samurai_Jerk » Thu Aug 07, 2014 12:02 pm

wagyl wrote:
Samurai_Jerk wrote:The David Cronenberg-themed ranch sound fun but I thought Yo' Momma's Farm was in Chiba.


The one in Chiba is listed among the highlights of Chiba, but who knows, maybe southern Boso peninsula is regarded as being "in the area" from Takasaki.


It's reputed to be in Gunma.
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Postby wagyl » Thu Aug 07, 2014 12:10 pm

Samurai_Jerk wrote:
wagyl wrote:
Samurai_Jerk wrote:The David Cronenberg-themed ranch sound fun but I thought Yo' Momma's Farm was in Chiba.


The one in Chiba is listed among the highlights of Chiba, but who knows, maybe southern Boso peninsula is regarded as being "in the area" from Takasaki.


It's reputed to be in Gunma.

Together with Tanigawa, the highest mountain in Japan, so I do not place much store on that site's repute.
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Re: Car Camping in Japan... where to rent a car?

Postby Takechanpoo » Wed Dec 24, 2014 7:43 pm

all Subaru vehecles ranked as TSP+ of IIHS in 2015
http://www.iihs.org/iihs/ratings/TSP-List
http://www.leftlanenews.com/iihs-top-sa ... video.html

and J-car are 23 of 33 TSP+ ones :mrgreen:
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Postby Coligny » Wed Dec 24, 2014 8:06 pm

Takechanpoo wrote:all Subaru vehecles ranked as TSP+ of IIHS in 2015
http://www.iihs.org/iihs/ratings/TSP-List
http://www.leftlanenews.com/iihs-top-sa ... video.html

and J-car are 23 of 33 TSP+ ones :mrgreen:


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