CrankyBastard wrote:Funny thing is though, dementia will probably start kicking in soon and then I'll be back to square one,
I wonder if an advantage of a second language would double the time it'll take.
Actually (not joking): http://bit.ly/1owvMCd
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CrankyBastard wrote:Funny thing is though, dementia will probably start kicking in soon and then I'll be back to square one,
I wonder if an advantage of a second language would double the time it'll take.
Dreamy_Peach wrote:It's a delusion that if you speak fluent Japanese you'll have more friends and have a better job. It's one of the most serious misgivings that afflict people who have only been here for a couple of years, like this author.
Learn Japanese if you like the language - its sound, structure, kanji etc. But for economic reasons I'm sceptical on a cost/benefit basis. Even if you have the Japanese, maybe it will have some marginal influence on your career or social prospects, but at least in the work field it comes down to your foreignness or specialist knowledge or skills. Japanese is an add on in many respects.
Socially, it makes little real difference. You won't make friends with JP only speaking men in the first place, nor would you probably want to. JP women are more sociable and friendly. Maybe it's good for speaking with them but most will speak English anyway.
Coligny wrote:I hazn't st00died Japanesego... I'd rather speak with the smart ones who speak english than the unwashed masses limited to their countryside variation of the slaughter...
Before SJ push his usual schtick that I can't criticize without having learned... The same way you can't tell bad food without being a professional cook or tell a bad car without being a fully qualified engineer
If you can't make friends with the locals, you're an arrogant asshole.
Yokohammer wrote:I have one really good male Japanese friend who thinks of me as a brother more than a friend, I think. Altough he's back in Tokyo while I'm up here in the northern tundras he brought his bride-to-be all the way up here just to introduce her to me before they got married. That kind of friend. I'd trust the guy with anything. But that's the only one I'm that close to. Lots of others I get along with just fine, but real friends are a rarity in any culture.
Samurai_Jerk wrote:Yokohammer wrote:I have one really good male Japanese friend who thinks of me as a brother more than a friend, I think. Altough he's back in Tokyo while I'm up here in the northern tundras he brought his bride-to-be all the way up here just to introduce her to me before they got married. That kind of friend. I'd trust the guy with anything. But that's the only one I'm that close to. Lots of others I get along with just fine, but real friends are a rarity in any culture.
While I do think there are some cultural difference that can make it tough to get close with Japanese people, I also think that a lot of guys who come here fresh out of college don't realize that the difficulty in making "real" friends like they had back home is more about age than it is about being in Japan. If you grow up and live in one place and then relocate to a new city where you don't know anyone for a job years after you've completed school, you probably won't make friends like you had back home even if it's in the same country. I've lived in the Tokyo area for nearly 12 years and have some good foreign and Japanese friends that I've known for years. However, there are only a couple that I would put on the same level as my junior high and high school buddies in NY. Same goes for friends I made working in Seattle in my late 20's.
havill wrote:
[list][*]Your Japanese isn't good enough to hold an intelligent, lengthy, interesting conversation.
[*]... and/or: You're a bitter bore (the "Type 7"s) that has a negative viewpoint about everything in Japan all the time (except for food & drink and service — the "consumer gaijin").
Coligny wrote:havill wrote:
- Your Japanese isn't good enough to hold an intelligent, lengthy, interesting conversation.
- ... and/or: You're a bitter bore (the "Type 7"s) that has a negative viewpoint about everything in Japan all the time (except for food & drink and service — the "consumer gaijin").
I'm always disturbed by these kind of listing because the authors never tells me which kind of gaijin I'm allowed to be in his Japan...
havill wrote:Coligny wrote:havill wrote:
- Your Japanese isn't good enough to hold an intelligent, lengthy, interesting conversation.
- ... and/or: You're a bitter bore (the "Type 7"s) that has a negative viewpoint about everything in Japan all the time (except for food & drink and service — the "consumer gaijin").
I'm always disturbed by these kind of listing because the authors never tells me which kind of gaijin I'm allowed to be in his Japan...
Coligny wrote:6810 wrote:lulz... me teiks itt u harvnt lurnt da local lengwidge then?
Keep coming up with reasons to justify why you haven't learned thelanguagepidgin yet...
Fixed dat' fer youz...
I hazn't st00died Japanesego... I'd rather speak with the smart ones who speak english than the unwashed masses limited to their countryside variation of the slaughter...
Before SJ push his usual schtick that I can't criticize without having learned... The same way you can't tell bad food without being a professional cook or tell a bad car without being a fully qualified engineer...
A local just speak japanese...
99% of the web is for him like a dark internet
His new-sources are Fuji TV or NHK
At best his childhood readings included little black sambo
On the really limited chance that he read books (not manga, sorry, it's not reading) he only had access to censored/translated version. Same goes for movies. Even more frightening, in a technical field he has no access to original foreign material and bulletins. His history books reading involve more suspension of disbelief than watching Iron Man 2...
From a sociological standpoint, the intellectual gallapagos-ization can be fascinating...
For a discussion about where the Ukraine crisis is going... That might be a little more troublesome... Unless you want to hear that travel by plane is still much safer than by car... Because stats are numbers and numbers are science... And stuff...
Takechanpoo wrote:and i am sure you are hated and abused by japanese inshitsu(陰湿) style by your japanese coworkers
Wage Slave wrote:I thought he was a kept man. But a pimp you say? How does that work then?
Wage Slave wrote:I thought he was a kept man. But a pimp you say? How does that work then?
havill wrote:Dreamy_Peach wrote:I would humbly say that it is pretty fluent.
No way we can assess that over the internet, so I'll take your word for it. What we can assess from your previous posts here, though, is that you're awfully knowledgeable and familiar with the gaijin/Roppongi/expat bar life.
Russell wrote:
Absent that, he is just a gigolo. (and a proud one at that...)
SJ wrote:
ヒモ literally means pimp but it's also used to describe a guy whose wife supports him
Dreamy_Peach wrote:My god, you went and read my previous posts. I'm sorry for the waste of your time.
Takechanpoo wrote:so how do you justify that you and your pathetic..uh... proud french auto firm cannot live without infesting Nissans sales and patents which those speaking-only-japanese guys invented? eh? as you do know, nobody buy damn french cars except french fellows in the world and even in europe
and sadly even Nissan is on the verge of being fucked up.
how pathetic
Takechanpoo wrote:and i am sure you are hated and abused by japanese inshitsu(陰湿) style by your japanese coworkers and you lurk on this FG.com every single days
originally you were hated and bullied in french and escaped to japan but also are hated and bullied even here.
and then next your going to escape to thailand or other mongo countries? eh?
i guarantee you will be also hated and bullied there again and again
Coligny wrote:The jokes are writing themselves on this thread... one word for pimp to house(pet/husband)
Samurai_Jerk wrote:Coligny wrote:The jokes are writing themselves on this thread... one word for pimp to house(pet/husband)
It's not a serious expression and is generally used as a joke, dumbass. It's funny that you have so much trouble with a pidgin since they are know to be very easy languages to master.
legion wrote:Kind of weird we split the world into gaijin and locals, if you think about it you probably know Iranians, Pakistanis, Brazilians, Kiwis, Ozzies, Yanks, Canadians, Koreans, Mongolians, Frogs, Krauts, Italians, Brits, Paddies, Spanish, and a few Japanese. Over the years I've had buddies from all over the place, some are still here, some are dead, some left, some moved elsewhere in Japan. Never really sliced and diced them according to nationality, more according to are they drinking buddies or not. I even like some of the guys I work with tho' I do try to keep work and social life apart.
That last bit might be the issue, I think we tend not to hang out with people from work too much cos the conversation can be kind of limited.
Coligny wrote:Just for info, it's considered a joke in which ken and during which season/timespan ? Because as usual, I suppose that if it's a joke north it certainly is an insult to someone's mother in the south while being a ingredient for cooking elsewhere...
And while I don't mind insulting someone's mom, fucking up a recipe by accident is downright tragic...
legion wrote:Kind of weird we split the world into gaijin and locals, if you think about it you probably know Iranians, Pakistanis, Brazilians, Kiwis, Ozzies, Yanks, Canadians, Koreans, Mongolians, Frogs, Krauts, Italians, Brits, Paddies, Spanish, and a few Japanese. Over the years I've had buddies from all over the place, some are still here, some are dead, some left, some moved elsewhere in Japan. Never really sliced and diced them according to nationality, more according to are they drinking buddies or not. I even like some of the guys I work with tho' I do try to keep work and social life apart.
That last bit might be the issue, I think we tend not to hang out with people from work too much cos the conversation can be kind of limited.
Coligny wrote:Samurai_Jerk wrote:Coligny wrote:The jokes are writing themselves on this thread... one word for pimp to house(pet/husband)
It's not a serious expression and is generally used as a joke, dumbass. It's funny that you have so much trouble with a pidgin since they are know to be very easy languages to master.
Aww you wuz making a jokez...
Then it's ok you funny guy...
Just for info, it's considered a joke in which ken and during which season/timespan ? Because as usual, I suppose that if it's a joke north it certainly is an insult to someone's mother in the south while being a ingredient for cooking elsewhere...
And while I don't mind insulting someone's mom, fucking up a recipe by accident is downright tragic...
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