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CENSORED by the Japan Times

Postby havill » Tue Sep 09, 2014 10:02 am

The following comment was censored from the Japan Times after it was brought to the attention of the Community Section Editor via email. It was posted five days ago (meaning the removal wasn't an automated spam prevention filtering mistake), garnered 49 up-votes and 166 Comments

In response to the latest "Just Be Cause" ("Visible minorities are being caught in police dragnet") column, I wrote:

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Dr. ARUDOU Debito wrote:When asked what he was doing, he said he was meeting friends. When asked his nationality, he mentioned his dual citizenship. Unfortunately, he carried no proof of that.


There’s a huge omission in these three sentences. According to Asahi’s article, which Dr. Arudou cites as his source, the “[mentioning] his dual citizenship” did not occur on the street as this and the later paragraph would lead you to believe; the chronology between the escorting to the station and the discovery of his nationality is backwards in this article.

According to the Nikkei article, which Dr. Arudou also sourced, this information became clear only later, at the station, via interpreter. It’s curious that Dr. Arudou decided not to mention that they needed to use an interpreter to discover basic facts that would exonerate him.

In the Asahi article, which Dr. Arudou also sourced — implying he read it — it said that the suspect, when initially approached, spoke “broken Japanese” (“katakoto no nihongo”) when saying “I came to see a friend” etc (“tomodachi ni ai ni kita” nado). THAT (the broken Japanese and inability to articulate his nationality in Japanese) was the reason they asked him (they did not arrest him yet) to voluntarily accompany the officers to the police station. It is very curious that Dr. Arudou left out this key detail.

I suspect the reason Dr. Arudou omitted all the details regarding communication difficulty is because it ruined his desired narrative angle: the police’s decision to detain this poor fellow was based entirely on his “physical appearance” (mentioned four times) and had nothing to do with poor basic communication skills (mentioned zero times in Dr. Arudou’s article, yet referenced in both the Asahi and Nikkei articles [edit: as well as news24, mainichi, & jiji]).

Perhaps Dr. Arudou is so obsessed with “race”, due to his thesis focus, that he failed to consider that there are possibly other reasons why the police suspected he didn’t have Japanese nationality: he wasn’t able to speak (or understand) Japanese well enough to tell the police he was a Japanese national.

It’s very true that it is possible to be a legal Japanese national and not be able to speak a lick of Japanese or speak it poorly (although statistically very unusual). As the police implied in their apology, they need to take that possibility into account for future encounters.

It’s a shame that Dr. Arudou omitted (Japanese language communication problems) and distorted (by reversed the chronology of) these important facts from his article.

Additionally, Dr. Arudou appears to have made some translation errors reading other news reports:

Dr. ARUDOU Debito wrote:the cop … took him in for questioning — for five hours. Then they arrested him … according to a Nikkei report … and interrogated him for another seven.

Doing the math, that means he was interrogated/questioned for twelve total hours.

However, reading the Nikkei and other sources, we see that he was arrested at 5 p.m. (or more specifically, around 5:05~5:10 p.m.) and only held for seven hours. In other words, Dr. Arudou misread / mis-translated the Japanese news sources: he probably thought it said FIVE (5) HOURS (not “o’clock”) PLUS (+) an additional SEVEN (7) hours.

It is regrettable that Dr. Arudou misread / mistranslated / misreported his sources.
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Re: CENSORED by the Japan Times

Postby IparryU » Tue Sep 09, 2014 10:31 am

You are the first person that I noticed who calls this lefty loosy "Dr"....
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Re: CENSORED by the Japan Times

Postby havill » Tue Sep 09, 2014 10:38 am

IparryU wrote:You are the first person that I noticed who calls this lefty loosy "Dr"....


He changed EVERY single social network profile and byline to include it, and I believe in calling people what they want to be called (within limits).

In this case, me emphasizing his new title actually works against the image he's trying to project when associating his new title with his recent "work".
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Re: CENSORED by the Japan Times

Postby IparryU » Tue Sep 09, 2014 10:41 am

havill wrote:
IparryU wrote:You are the first person that I noticed who calls this lefty loosy "Dr"....


He changed EVERY single social network profile and byline to include it, and I believe in calling people what they want to be called (within limits).

In this case, me emphasizing his new title actually works against the image he's trying to project when associating his new title with his recent "work".

meh...

I didn't really notice who it was about do to all the Dr calling and what not. Then I actually started reading it and noticed his full name.
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Re: CENSORED by the Japan Times

Postby wagyl » Tue Sep 09, 2014 11:04 am

FG, trendsetting as usual, noticed the Dr. ARUDOU Debito thing back in May. I would link but it is in a more restricted part of this forum than this thread.
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Re: CENSORED by the Japan Times

Postby omae mona » Tue Sep 09, 2014 2:18 pm

havill wrote:It is regrettable that Dr. Arudou misread / mistranslated / misreported his sources.


Well, having seen it happen over and over again, all in a way that too-conveniently hides facts that undermine the point he is trying to make, I vote for "misreported". It's gone way past regrettable; I'd call it "inevitable".

For years, the good doctor has had a point to make, with sadly little evidence to back it up. So he finds news items that are close enough, in which his trusting readers will accept his twisted translation/summary without fact checking.

What is regrettable is that the JT has slowly switched from news to advocacy. They run news stories they think will please their readership, and when they need to play fast and loose with facts in order to titillate everybody, they just shove it in the community section and claim it's "opinion". Now they are squelching any comments that would reveal their lack of editorial oversight.
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Re: CENSORED by the Japan Times

Postby matsuki » Tue Sep 09, 2014 3:05 pm

I don't really see why he had to leave anything out or overstate anything to convey it was a fucked situation started by nothing but the "scary gaijin" appearance. Obviously shit got worse, being detained because he couldn't speak enough Japanese to tell them "fuck off, I'm Japanese." (Sucks to be him) Either way, detention for 7 hours and an arrest record doesn't sound like the situation was handled in a reasonable manner.
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Re: CENSORED by the Japan Times

Postby omae mona » Tue Sep 09, 2014 3:34 pm

chokonen888 wrote:I don't really see why he had to leave anything out or overstate anything to convey it was a fucked situation started by nothing but the "scary gaijin" appearance. Obviously shit got worse, being detained because he couldn't speak enough Japanese to tell them "fuck off, I'm Japanese." (Sucks to be him) Either way, detention for 7 hours and an arrest record doesn't sound like the situation was handled in a reasonable manner.


At the risk of turning this thread into a discussion of the case (which should be a different thread) rather a than a discussion of censorship I'll throw in my 2 cents.

Debito lied (yes, I'll use that term because I think he knew what he was doing) and said the suspect stated he was Japanese while speaking to cops on the street. In reality, we know he said no such thing until he was in the station and the interpreter arrived (which probably took hours). This completely changes critical facts about whether the situation was handled in a reasonable matter.

I think there is room for debate about whether the guy should have been approached by the police in the first place. But once they did, this guy behaved exactly like a foreigner without ID; there was no reason for the cops to even think there was a chance he was Japanese. He didn't say so, and he could not speak Japanese. Debito omitted this intentionally to make people think the cops behaved unreasonably detaining a guy after he told them he was Japanese. It's a complete lie.
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Re: CENSORED by the Japan Times

Postby matsuki » Tue Sep 09, 2014 4:17 pm

omae mona wrote:
chokonen888 wrote:I don't really see why he had to leave anything out or overstate anything to convey it was a fucked situation started by nothing but the "scary gaijin" appearance. Obviously shit got worse, being detained because he couldn't speak enough Japanese to tell them "fuck off, I'm Japanese." (Sucks to be him) Either way, detention for 7 hours and an arrest record doesn't sound like the situation was handled in a reasonable manner.


At the risk of turning this thread into a discussion of the case (which should be a different thread) rather a than a discussion of censorship I'll throw in my 2 cents.

Debito lied (yes, I'll use that term because I think he knew what he was doing) and said the suspect stated he was Japanese while speaking to cops on the street. In reality, we know he said no such thing until he was in the station and the interpreter arrived (which probably took hours). This completely changes critical facts about whether the situation was handled in a reasonable matter.

I think there is room for debate about whether the guy should have been approached by the police in the first place. But once they did, this guy behaved exactly like a foreigner without ID; there was no reason for the cops to even think there was a chance he was Japanese. He didn't say so, and he could not speak Japanese. Debito omitted this intentionally to make people think the cops behaved unreasonably detaining a guy after he told them he was Japanese. It's a complete lie.


Too late! :twisted:

Yeah, the timing of events and stretch on the detention time are just plain wrong and does make for a different situation than if he had claimed he was Japanese and still taken to the koban. Even being Debito, I wouldn't be too quick to call it a lie...there is the possibility that the article he linked to may have been "updated" since being linked to. (why would he link/cite to an article that conflicts with his explanation?)

As to 7 hours in detention and arresting him, that's just plain fucked/traumatizing/unnecessary. Anyone with a smartphone could have got "Where is your passport/gaijin card?" and "I'm Japanese" across...and if after that they chose not to believe him, they fucked up by illegally detaining him and wrongfully arresting him. Though it's easy to see why they wouldn't believe him considering his poor Japanese an based upon his appearance, it doesn't change the fact that they were wrong and begs the question, "is it really a good idea to card foreigners based on their looks?" (which is what debito was obviously getting at and doesn't require omitting any facts or embellishing)
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Re: CENSORED by the Japan Times

Postby omae mona » Tue Sep 09, 2014 5:24 pm

chokonen888 wrote:Yeah, the timing of events and stretch on the detention time are just plain wrong and does make for a different situation than if he had claimed he was Japanese and still taken to the koban. Even being Debito, I wouldn't be too quick to call it a lie...there is the possibility that the article he linked to may have been "updated" since being linked to. (why would he link/cite to an article that conflicts with his explanation?)


I read the original Asahi article the day it came out, way before it showed up in Debito's JT piece. I am almost 100% sure the story was the same from the beginning, since I think the alternative version would have made me raise eyebrows a lot more than than it did. But my memory could be wrong.


As to 7 hours in detention and arresting him, that's just plain fucked/traumatizing/unnecessary. Anyone with a smartphone could have got "Where is your passport/gaijin card?" and "I'm Japanese" across...and if after that they chose not to believe him, they fucked up by illegally detaining him and wrongfully arresting him. Though it's easy to see why they wouldn't believe him considering his poor Japanese an based upon his appearance, it doesn't change the fact that they were wrong and begs the question, "is it really a good idea to card foreigners based on their looks?" (which is what debito was obviously getting at and doesn't require omitting any facts or embellishing)


I see your point, but I honestly believe there is a VERY good chance that he still did not communicate his citizenship for many hours, and the issue that took up so much time was not that the police did not believe him, but rather that he never told them. There are a huge number of people who don't quite understand their own immigration status and the rules. I've met some of them, and read about others, and it's flabbergasting. I think the guy possibly did not remotely understand why he was being held by police, and as a result did not even think to tell them he had Japanese citizenship (if he even grasped that fact).

Anyway, the point is that despite the possible pros and cons of what the police did, Debito changed the facts around to skew opinion. And now the JT is suppressing efforts to correct the actual facts, perhaps because it embarrasses them.
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Re: CENSORED by the Japan Times

Postby Wage Slave » Tue Sep 09, 2014 5:27 pm

Was he a Swahili speaker or something? If so, it all makes sense.
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Re: CENSORED by the Japan Times

Postby Samurai_Jerk » Tue Sep 09, 2014 5:34 pm

omae mona wrote:
chokonen888 wrote:Yeah, the timing of events and stretch on the detention time are just plain wrong and does make for a different situation than if he had claimed he was Japanese and still taken to the koban. Even being Debito, I wouldn't be too quick to call it a lie...there is the possibility that the article he linked to may have been "updated" since being linked to. (why would he link/cite to an article that conflicts with his explanation?)

I read the original Asahi article the day it came out, way before it showed up in Debito's JT piece. I am almost 100% sure the story was the same from the beginning, since I think the alternative version would have made me raise eyebrows a lot more than than it did. But my memory could be wrong.


As to 7 hours in detention and arresting him, that's just plain fucked/traumatizing/unnecessary. Anyone with a smartphone could have got "Where is your passport/gaijin card?" and "I'm Japanese" across...and if after that they chose not to believe him, they fucked up by illegally detaining him and wrongfully arresting him. Though it's easy to see why they wouldn't believe him considering his poor Japanese an based upon his appearance, it doesn't change the fact that they were wrong and begs the question, "is it really a good idea to card foreigners based on their looks?" (which is what debito was obviously getting at and doesn't require omitting any facts or embellishing)


I see your point, but I honestly believe there is a VERY good chance that he still did not communicate his citizenship for many hours, and the issue that took up so much time was not that the police did not believe him, but rather that he never told them. There are a huge number of people who don't quite understand their own immigration status and the rules. I've met some of them, and read about others, and it's flabbergasting. I think the guy possibly did not remotely understand why he was being held by police, and as a result did not even think to tell them he had Japanese citizenship (if he even grasped that fact).

Anyway, the point is that despite the possible pros and cons of what the police did, Debito changed the facts around to skew opinion. And now the JT is suppressing efforts to correct the actual facts, perhaps because it embarrasses them.


While I don't like the fact that cops will often stop people randomly here to check ID's just because they look like foreigners, in this case there was a complaint made. Even if the guy was doing nothing wrong and the person who called was just a xenophobic chicken shit, the cops still have to investigate if they get a call about someone acting suspiciously. At the very least we know the guy was unable to communicate in Japanese and had no ID. For all we know he may have also been belligerent or drunk or both. It could also be a case where not really knowing what was going on he thought it better to keep his mouth shut till an interpreter showed up rather than risk getting himself into more trouble. I would also guess that you don't want to fuck with cops in the PI so he maybe have been scared out of his mind if that's what he's used to dealing with.
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Re: CENSORED by the Japan Times

Postby wagyl » Tue Sep 09, 2014 6:13 pm

chokonen888 wrote:(why would he link/cite to an article that conflicts with his explanation?)

I suspect that the good Doctor plasters over the gaps in his understanding with assumptions that the world is as twisted as he fears (or maybe wishes) it is. It gives him a reason to fight the good fight.

His aim is for Japan to be the paradise that the United States is.
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Re: CENSORED by the Japan Times

Postby havill » Tue Sep 09, 2014 7:35 pm

omae mona wrote:I read the original Asahi article the day it came out, way before it showed up in Debito's JT piece. I am almost 100% sure the story was the same from the beginning, since I think the alternative version would have made me raise eyebrows a lot more than than it did. But my memory could be wrong.


I kept copies from most of the original sources from the date the article came out (snippets here re the 通報 and 職務質問). Asahi's story has not changed.:

日経
 牛久署によると、13日昼すぎ、牛久市のJR常磐線ひたち野う しく駅近くで「不審な外国人がいる」と駅前の交番に通報があっ た。」
http://www.nikkei.com/article/DGXLASDG1 ... 0C1CC0000/

日テレ
 警察によると、13日昼過ぎ、茨城県牛久市のJR常磐線のひたち野うしく駅前 で、「不審な外国人がいる」との通報があった。
http://www.news24.jp/articles/2014/08/14/07257222.html

毎日
 同署によると、13日午後5時5分ごろ、同県牛久市の住民から 「不審な外国人がいる」と通報があった。」
http://mainichi.jp/select/news/20140814 ... 3000c.html

朝日
 署によると、茨城県牛久市内で13日昼ごろ、署員が男性を職務質問したとこ ろ、男性は片言の日本語で「友だちに会いに来た」などと話した。外国 人と思 い込んだ署員は交番に任意同行を求め、男性が旅券を持っていなかったことか ら、午後5時すぎに現行犯逮捕した。
http://www.asahi.com/articles/ASG8G3GMFG8GUTIL00T.html

日経
 交番で署員が男性から事情を聴き、外国人なのにパスポートを常に携帯する義 務を守っていないと判断し、午後5時10分ごろ、現行犯逮捕した。

毎日
 「駆け付けた署員が「どこの国の人?」と日本語で質問すると、男性は「フィリ ピンと日本」と答えた。旅券(パスポート)は所持していなかった。署 員は、 男性の容姿が東南アジア系で日本語も片言しか話せないことから、入国管理局に フィリピン旅券での入国記録を問い合わせ、記録がないため現行 犯逮捕したと いう。

時事
 同署によると、13日午後5時10分ごろ、牛久市内で男性を職務質問した際、 住所などを答えず、旅券を持っていなかったことから現行犯逮捕した。
http://www.jiji.com/jc/zc?k=201408/2014081400233

日テレ
 警察によると、13日昼過ぎ、茨城県牛久市のJR常磐線のひたち野うしく駅 前で、「不審な外国人がいる」との通報があった。警察は交番で20歳 の男性 を事情聴取したところ、片言の日本語でフィリピン人であることをほのめかしパ スポートを持っていなかっため、男性を出入国管理及び難民認定 法違反の疑い で現行犯逮捕した。しかし、逮捕後に男性は日本国籍を持っていることがわか り、逮捕から約7時間後に釈放された。
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Postby havill » Tue Sep 09, 2014 7:42 pm

The interesting thing is 日テレ said he hinted at being Filipino in broken Japanese... (probably because he didn't know how to say "but I also have Japanese nationality" in Japanese)... which would obviously have given the cops a fairly good reason to believe he's not Japanese: he hinted at that verbally.

Also, the Mainichi says they went through the trouble of looking at passport records on file, and had no record that he had entered the country.
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Postby havill » Tue Sep 09, 2014 7:52 pm

P.S. If you're wondering what happens when the cops stop somebody because they look foreign* and you tell them in Japanese, 「日本国籍を持っています。帰化者なんです」 in albeit lightly accented, but not broken, and perfectly understandable Japanese, this is one personal experience:

http://www.turning-japanese.info/2013/1 ... estic.html

* Although it was training night, and the rookie cops were stopping more than just foreigners.
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Postby Yokohammer » Tue Sep 09, 2014 8:09 pm

havill wrote: ... Although it was training night, and the rookie cops were stopping more than just foreigners.

I have a real problem with this. I understand they do this "training" thing at the airports too. But to me the fact that they think it's OK to interfere with people's lives as they go about their daily business for "training" purposes is more than arrogant.


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Re: CENSORED by the Japan Times

Postby havill » Tue Sep 09, 2014 8:21 pm

Yokohammer wrote:I have a real problem with this. I understand they do this "training" thing at the airports too. But to me the fact that they think it's OK to interfere with people's lives as they go about their daily business for "training" purposes is more than arrogant.


May I ask how do you suggest police go about getting this training then?

"Simulations" at police academy? Problem is, the police know it's a simulation. They know the other guy is role playing. No Fear Factor that is a part of a police officer's job. No adrenaline rush from knowing the guy might be a FG that had one too many at the Hub and knows his gaijin card is expired so he decides to make a run for it, con you, or assault you.

On the other hand, you don't want to throw them in the deep end without any swimming lessons on paddle boards: like Kabukicho on a Friday night. Lack of real world training and getting used to people dealing with you as a police officer means they (the police officer) might do something rash when dealing with the next level of belligerence.

You want real random people, doing rather routine things (boarding or leaving a train station going home etc)... just enough to throw a little randomness in (i.e. chokonen888 screaming at them "fuck off" in Japanese).
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Postby Samurai_Jerk » Tue Sep 09, 2014 8:35 pm

Yokohammer wrote:
havill wrote: ... Although it was training night, and the rookie cops were stopping more than just foreigners.

I have a real problem with this. I understand they do this "training" thing at the airports too. But to me the fact that they think it's OK to interfere with people's lives as they go about their daily business for "training" purposes is more than arrogant.


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Postby Yokohammer » Tue Sep 09, 2014 8:39 pm

havill wrote:
Yokohammer wrote:I have a real problem with this. I understand they do this "training" thing at the airports too. But to me the fact that they think it's OK to interfere with people's lives as they go about their daily business for "training" purposes is more than arrogant.


May I ask how do you suggest police go about getting this training then?

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Here's the thing, your average guy or girl on the street going about his or her business is not actually "average," in the sense that each individual is having some sort of day. It could be a great day, it might be just normal/mediocre, it might be really shitty, or any shade in between. The guy getting off the train might have been fired from his job and is on his way home to explain it to his family. The girl getting out of the cab might just be returning from the hospital where she's been told she has cancer. A family member might have gone missing. The funeral of a loved one. ... I hope you get the idea. These types of situations are not exactly unusual. These are people, not crash test dummies, and the idea that it's OK to stop them and put them through what might be another distasteful experience is, to my mind, repulsive.

(Reminds me of the day I was in the subway going home from the hospital where my dad was dying and some fuckwitted gaijin, noting my lack of joy, thought it would be a good idea to walk up to me and ask "Having a bad day or something?" That was bad enough, but if it had been a cop using me for "training" it would have been a thousand times worse).

No, sorry, I really think it's a fucked thing to do.
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Re: CENSORED by the Japan Times

Postby Wage Slave » Tue Sep 09, 2014 8:47 pm

And yet police forces in other countries manage to train their officers without this sort of tactic. Still, horses for courses I suppose if they can't think of any other way, or better way.

Remember that guy who found some hash in his luggage when he got to his hotel because customs had decided to do a training exercise with his luggage and then missed it. Could have been a very valuable lesson for the inspecting officer, complete with an authentic foreigner in authentic denial mode.
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Re: CENSORED by the Japan Times

Postby Russell » Tue Sep 09, 2014 9:26 pm

Yokohammer wrote:
havill wrote:
Yokohammer wrote:I have a real problem with this. I understand they do this "training" thing at the airports too. But to me the fact that they think it's OK to interfere with people's lives as they go about their daily business for "training" purposes is more than arrogant.


May I ask how do you suggest police go about getting this training then?

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Here's the thing, your average guy or girl on the street going about his or her business is not actually "average," in the sense that each individual is having some sort of day. It could be a great day, it might be just normal/mediocre, it might be really shitty, or any shade in between. The guy getting off the train might have been fired from his job and is on his way home to explain it to his family. The girl getting out of the cab might just be returning from the hospital where she's been told she has cancer. A family member might have gone missing. The funeral of a loved one. ... I hope you get the idea. These types of situations are not exactly unusual. These are people, not crash test dummies, and the idea that it's OK to stop them and put them through what might be another distasteful experience is, to my mind, repulsive.

(Reminds me of the day I was in the subway going home from the hospital where my dad was dying and some fuckwitted gaijin, noting my lack of joy, thought it would be a good idea to walk up to me and ask "Having a bad day or something?" That was bad enough, but if it had been a cop using me for "training" it would have been a thousand times worse).

No, sorry, I really think it's a fucked thing to do.

Good post.

Takes me back to the time when the Missus was stopped when driving her car 7 km/h too fast, and it soon appeared that the cops made it a sport to fine as many special cars as possible (ours has a tent on the roof). All the cops wanted to take a look inside, and one could be heard saying that they "did not have such a car yet!"

Problem was, my wife was on her way to her father, who was in the terminal stage of lung cancer in hospital. She did not tell those cops, but I told her afterwards she should have. Actually, I was raving mad and wanted to file a complaint, but she let it go.

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Re: CENSORED by the Japan Times

Postby wagyl » Tue Sep 09, 2014 9:38 pm

It is always a difficult decision whether it is better to provide any extra information. I can see a the police using the information that your wife was travelling to the hospital for that stressful and maybe urgent reason as a justification that she was preoccupied and not taking enough care, which lead to her speeding. Or they might let it all slide. You may as well roll the dice to guess the outcome.
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Postby GomiGirl » Tue Sep 09, 2014 11:07 pm

The thread is going off the rails and I am just going to add my two yen to completely derail it. :-)

I was at traffic lights today and I witnessed an interesting scenario unfold.

Two cops on bikes approached a Japanese chap on his bike who was also waiting for the lights to change. They told the guy to take out his ear buds from his iPod (this is a rule???).

Anyhooo, the J-guy basically just waved off the copper and didn't look at him. He did pull out one ear bud in a bit of a huff but that was it. The copper kept trying to engage him and he just kept waving him off like he was a nampa tout. Then copper #2, chimed in and got onto the radio and was calling back to base to check the bike registration which he was fairly obvious about observing. The first one was on his radio as well - calling for back-up I think.

The lights took forever to change and all the while the J-guy on the bike (a fairly average cheap mama-chari that had seen some use) just tried to ignore the cops but you could tell that the coppers were getting all hot and bothered and were trying to get this guy for something if only as he was being insolent and dismissive.

The lights change and the J-guy rides off fairly quickly - well as quick as a gearless mama-chari can go - and the two coppers followed along after him on their bikes. Then there was a female copper joining the pursuit on her bike as well. I couldn't help but chuckle as there were 3 plods - one of them a largish woman and the other two were young, wet behind the ears, skinny guys

I don't know how it ended but I thought it was amusing to see it go down. It could have all been avoided if the J-guy had just bowed and apologised when he was first asked to take out his ear buds I reckon but trying to brush off a J-copper is never a good idea perhaps?
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Re: CENSORED by the Japan Times

Postby wagyl » Tue Sep 09, 2014 11:41 pm

Over-use of the tenth letter of the alphabet.

J-wife
J-dude
J-copper.

So many times the J does no more than display the writer's own prejudices.

For example, in this most recent case, I want to ask... is there any country where it is a good idea to brush the coppers off?

Japan and the Japanese are not really as unique as we sometimes seem to want to make them out to be. I suppose it gives us a little frisson, that we are living is such an exotic place surrounded by inscrutibles.
And they are certainly not as unique as the Japanese wish themselves to be.
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Re: CENSORED by the Japan Times

Postby yanpa » Tue Sep 09, 2014 11:49 pm

GomiGirl wrote:Two cops on bikes approached a Japanese chap on his bike who was also waiting for the lights to change. They told the guy to take out his ear buds from his iPod (this is a rule???).

OT, but if it isn't it should be. IIRC it is, along with using lights at night. And not ringing your bell imperiously at people on the pavement.
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Postby GomiGirl » Wed Sep 10, 2014 12:04 am

wagyl wrote:Over-use of the tenth letter of the alphabet.

J-wife
J-dude
J-copper.

So many times the J does no more than display the writer's own prejudices.

For example, in this most recent case, I want to ask... is there any country where it is a good idea to brush the coppers off?

Japan and the Japanese are not really as unique as we sometimes seem to want to make them out to be. I suppose it gives us a little frisson, that we are living is such an exotic place surrounded by inscrutibles.
And they are certainly not as unique as the Japanese wish themselves to be.


I was just trying to make the point that this was not an FG targetting issue in this case. Too many people have been squawking lately about how "walking while gaijin" has been a bigger problem recently.

Lots of chatter even here about how to deal with coppers when they approach you which is why I added the story. Clearly ignoring them is not a good idea for anybody.

sheesh.
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Postby wagyl » Wed Sep 10, 2014 12:20 am

Yep, I picked up that it was a Japanese guy who was acting prickish, and I recognise that your point was that it is not just gaijin who are subject. Your report was useful and valued.

My issue was with "trying to brush off a J-copper is never a good idea perhaps?" as that suggested something special about Japanese police which is not present in other law enforcement organisations. I know I often hold posters here to rigourous standards of expression, and I seem to be on a real roll recently, but if you think there truly is something special about Japanese police that means we should not brush them off and where we would usually brush off the police in our own countries, I would be interested to hear more. (Or in other words, are there any countries where it is a good idea to brush the coppers off?)
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Re: CENSORED by the Japan Times

Postby GomiGirl » Wed Sep 10, 2014 12:39 am

Ok fair point. I have lived in Tokyo longer than any other city so I can't compare interactions with law enforcement anywhere else.

I shall try to control my use of certain letters of the alphabet from now on.


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Postby wagyl » Wed Sep 10, 2014 10:54 am

Cool. You just came in with that egregious J at a bad time, and I guessed that you were a big enough girl to be able to handle my comment.

My pet peeve is the J-wife. I have the strong suspicion that the majority of guys having problems with their J-wives would have similar problems with wives with any variety of prefix, but it becomes convenient to their ego to apportion the blame on a letter.
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