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Those Kiwis have been sprung!

Postby wagyl » Sat Sep 20, 2014 4:38 pm

This is just a photo I saw on twitter, I am not sure of the context but it appears to be related to whaling.
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For the linguistically challenged: New Zealand's true objective: to harm Japan's international image.

This is NHK by the way.
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Postby Wage Slave » Sat Sep 20, 2014 4:45 pm

Re our discussions earlier. Would you say this is propaganda? Or would you choose another word?
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Re: Those Kiwis have been sprung!

Postby kurogane » Sat Sep 20, 2014 4:49 pm

wagyl wrote:
For the linguistically challenged: New Zealand's true objective: to harm Japan's international image.

This is NHK by the way.


And to play the fence, how is it not absolutely true, and therefore newsworthy? Whaling isn't illegal, but Panda Lovers usually are.
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Re: Those Kiwis have been sprung!

Postby Yokohammer » Sat Sep 20, 2014 4:51 pm

I'd be interested in knowing the context of the tweet.

NZ just got a resolution passed at the recent IWC meeting to indefinitely postpone Japan's return to "research whaling," (which Japan is saying they're going to do next season), so it is very likely related to that. Unfortunately that resolution is not legally binding.

But of course the problem is that despite the ICJ ruling this year Japan has basically announced that they're determined to go ahead and kill more whales anyway, so they're doing a perfectly capable job of damaging their own reputation.
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Re: Those Kiwis have been sprung!

Postby Russell » Sat Sep 20, 2014 4:53 pm

Looks like the NHK has a victim complex.
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Re: Those Kiwis have been sprung!

Postby wagyl » Sat Sep 20, 2014 4:57 pm

Wage Slave wrote:Re our discussions earlier. Would you say this is propaganda? Or would you choose another word?

It is a tricky and interesting question. It seems a tad strong for opinion, but probably fits in that category. What are your thoughts?

As I say, I haven't seen the context of this particular NHK report, but I would hazard a guess that unlike the Debito piece, it doesn't venture into the territory of misreporting events (the reason the accused was first approached, the length of time he was held)
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Postby omae mona » Sat Sep 20, 2014 4:58 pm

Yokohammer wrote:I'd be interested in knowing the context of the tweet.

NZ just got a resolution passed at the recent IWC meeting to indefinitely postpone Japan's return to "research whaling," (which Japan is saying they're going to do next season), so it is very likely related to that. Unfortunately that resolution is not legally binding.


I've read that as well, and I agree it's probably related. Does anybody know why they IWC can't/won't pass one which *is* legally binding? I'm very curious.
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Re: Those Kiwis have been sprung!

Postby wagyl » Sat Sep 20, 2014 5:03 pm

kurogane wrote:
wagyl wrote:
For the linguistically challenged: New Zealand's true objective: to harm Japan's international image.

This is NHK by the way.


And to play the fence, how is it not absolutely true, and therefore newsworthy? Whaling isn't illegal, but Panda Lovers usually are.


If that is so, then is NZ more interested in making Japan look bad, than they are in stopping whale harvesting? If making Japan look bad is the objective, then there are sexier things to target: claim that Toyota knowingly ignored issues with sudden spontaneous acceleration, for example.
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Re: Those Kiwis have been sprung!

Postby Yokohammer » Sat Sep 20, 2014 5:04 pm

omae mona wrote:
Yokohammer wrote:I'd be interested in knowing the context of the tweet.

NZ just got a resolution passed at the recent IWC meeting to indefinitely postpone Japan's return to "research whaling," (which Japan is saying they're going to do next season), so it is very likely related to that. Unfortunately that resolution is not legally binding.


I've read that as well, and I agree it's probably related. Does anybody know why they IWC can't/won't pass one which *is* legally binding? I'm very curious.

I think it's just that the IWC doesn't have that sort of authority. I think Japan could simply end its membership in the IWC and massacre as many whales as it likes, but the benefits of staying in (i.e. they can exploit the "research" loophole in whale-rich waters, plus the ability to influence voting through various well-known but nefarious means) outweigh the benefits of dropping out. Don't quote me on that though.
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Re: Those Kiwis have been sprung!

Postby Wage Slave » Sat Sep 20, 2014 5:05 pm

wagyl wrote:
Wage Slave wrote:Re our discussions earlier. Would you say this is propaganda? Or would you choose another word?

It is a tricky and interesting question. It seems a tad strong for opinion, but probably fits in that category. What are your thoughts?

As I say, I haven't seen the context of this particular NHK report, but I would hazard a guess that unlike the Debito piece, it doesn't venture into the territory of misreporting events (the reason the accused was first approached, the length of time he was held)


It is entirely subjective I reckon. And that is the point about words with strong connotations. Personally, I probably wouldn't use the word propaganda.

It may or may not misreport events but I am sure NZ would say it is misrepresenting their intentions and aims.
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Re: Those Kiwis have been sprung!

Postby wagyl » Sat Sep 20, 2014 5:28 pm

Yokohammer wrote:
omae mona wrote:
Yokohammer wrote:I'd be interested in knowing the context of the tweet.

NZ just got a resolution passed at the recent IWC meeting to indefinitely postpone Japan's return to "research whaling," (which Japan is saying they're going to do next season), so it is very likely related to that. Unfortunately that resolution is not legally binding.


I've read that as well, and I agree it's probably related. Does anybody know why they IWC can't/won't pass one which *is* legally binding? I'm very curious.

I think it's just that the IWC doesn't have that sort of authority. I think Japan could simply end its membership in the IWC and massacre as many whales as it likes, but the benefits of staying in (i.e. they can exploit the "research" loophole in whale-rich waters, plus the ability to influence voting through various well-known but nefarious means) outweigh the benefits of dropping out. Don't quote me on that though.


I would agree that as far as my completely amateur understanding goes, the international Whaling Commission has no teeth (it only has a baleen). Everything revolves around cooperative agreement to recommendations. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internatio ... er_the_IWC
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Re: Those Kiwis have been sprung!

Postby kurogane » Sat Sep 20, 2014 5:54 pm

wagyl wrote:
kurogane wrote:
wagyl wrote:
For the linguistically challenged: New Zealand's true objective: to harm Japan's international image.

This is NHK by the way.


And to play the fence, how is it not absolutely true, and therefore newsworthy? Whaling isn't illegal, but Panda Lovers usually are.


If that is so, then is NZ more interested in making Japan look bad, than they are in stopping whale harvesting? .


Well, they are fat preachy White Folk that speak like monkeys, so probably about 50/50. Fully agreed on the triviality of the issue, but Toyota isn't a state organ, though I liked it.

Agreed on the IWC issue as well. It has very little regulatory authority. Sort of like the League of Nations, without the happy ending.
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Re: Those Kiwis have been sprung!

Postby Takechanpoo » Sat Sep 20, 2014 7:46 pm

although i would never accept the crazy fantasy by the crazy whale cultists, japan should stop whaling for a while.
that dooms day is coming again....

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Re: Those Kiwis have been sprung!

Postby Russell » Sat Sep 20, 2014 8:19 pm

Takechan, just two questions.

1. Why do you think Japan should stop whaling for a while?

2. What was Japan accused of in this video of 1933?
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Re: Those Kiwis have been sprung!

Postby Wage Slave » Sat Sep 20, 2014 8:38 pm

Occupying Manchuria by force which they didn't deny but claimed was theirs by right and vital to their interests.

"The assembly's report, recommending that Japan withdraw her troops occupying Manchuria and restore the country to Chinese sovereignty, was adopted, 42 to 1, Japan voting against it. Paul Hymans, presiding, announced it was unanimous, since the vote of interested parties does not count."


Yosuke Matsuoka (the man in the video) also said, "Japan has been and will always be the mainstay of peace, order and progress in the Far East." which must be one of the most inaccurate and deceitful statements of all time.

More trenchantly he argued:

"In objecting to proposed international control of Manchuria, he asked, "Would the American people agree to such control of the Panama Canal Zone; would the British permit it over Egypt?"

http://www.johndclare.net/league_of_nations6_news.htm

They were hell bent on having a big slice of that empire thing and no-one was going to stand in the way of what they saw as their right to have Asia, The Pacific and quite possibly Australia as theirs.

As for what that has to do with Japan giving up whaling for a while I am not at all clear.
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Re: Those Kiwis have been sprung!

Postby Russell » Sat Sep 20, 2014 9:01 pm

Thanks Wage Slave.

I guess the parallel felt by Takechan is that all those barbarian countries conspire against Japan both times.
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Postby kurogane » Sun Sep 21, 2014 11:44 am

Wage Slave wrote:Yosuke Matsuoka (the man in the video) also said, "Japan has been and will always be the mainstay of peace, order and progress in the Far East." which must be one of the most inaccurate and deceitful statements of all time.


It's certainly up there on my list.


Wage Slave wrote:More trenchantly he argued:
"In objecting to proposed international control of Manchuria, he asked, "Would the American people agree to such control of the Panama Canal Zone; would the British permit it over Egypt?".


And this was the point that the Anglo-American Imperial Cartel (the people that brought you the Rape of India!) realised that Japanese don't obey orders to do as we say not as we do and that they had wakenえd a sleeping tiger of their own making. Which is not to downplay the horrific Japanese actions during that long slide into self-destruction.
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