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Re: CENSORED by the Japan Times

Postby omae mona » Mon Sep 29, 2014 9:17 pm

Tremendous post, 6810. I think I agree with everything you wrote.

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dimwit wrote:That being said, Japan does have an appalling lack of transparancy and especially accountability. And yes, racism is a problem here. Most of us ignore it and get on with our lives. Some people see it very directly affecting their lives. So there is a role for someone to honestly raise the issue, as much for Japanese people as for foreigners.


As compared to where? I honestly believe this to be a case of individuals who have yet to acquire local linguistic agency and therefore assume a lack of transparency, ulterior motives etc.


I was going to write about this before you beat me to it, particularly on the subject of transparency. Every time I've heard the "no transparency" claim, it's come from people who don't understand news they read or watch in Japanese. And they're generally just repeating a claim they heard elsewhere in English language media or online forums. This was especially true in the aftermath of the 2011 earthquake.

I'm a bit more sympathetic to claims of lack of accountability. I'm using the 2011 earthquake as an example. Whether prosecutors are not ambitious, or whether the laws were just not strict enough to begin with, I am somewhat amazed at the lack of repercussions for TEPCO thus far. Much more so, I am amazed at the lack of outrage toward the government for not getting evacuees out of horrible temporary housing. But then again, there are similarly outrageous situations in my home country. While you could compare BP's 2010 oil spill (BP pled guilty to criminal charges 2.5 years later), on the flip side you can look to the Hurricane Katerina aftermath and lack of prosecution of financial firms in 2008 as parallels for "lack of accountability". I'd like all these countries to do better, personally.
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Re: CENSORED by the Japan Times

Postby matsuki » Mon Sep 29, 2014 9:40 pm

omae mona wrote:Every time I've heard the "no transparency" claim, it's come from people who don't understand news they read or watch in Japanese. And they're generally just repeating a claim they heard elsewhere in English language media or online forums. This was especially true in the aftermath of the 2011 earthquake.


omae mona wrote:I'm a bit more sympathetic to claims of lack of accountability. I'm using the 2011 earthquake as an example. Whether prosecutors are not ambitious, or whether the laws were just not strict enough to begin with, I am somewhat amazed at the lack of repercussions for TEPCO thus far.


I think this is where much of the transparency issue comes into play. Speaking from first hand experience, the whole system of checks and balances when it comes to the public, police, prosecutors, and courts is just going through the motions without the actual checks and balances. (but with all those hankos, it's all good on paper) When you have former government employees and people with questionably neutrality involved, things tend to get less transparent and people/companies held less accountable. Happens in the U.S. too, as you noted, though I'd say to a lesser extent. (the musical chairs, amakudari, etc. is stronger here)

omae mona wrote:Much more so, I am amazed at the lack of outrage toward the government for not getting evacuees out of horrible temporary housing.


This is what bothers me the most...I guess without the proper life experience they don't realize how shafted they're getting but the complacency here is a huge part of why things never seem to change.

omae mona wrote:But then again, there are similarly outrageous situations in my home country. While you could compare BP's 2010 oil spill (BP pled guilty to criminal charges 2.5 years later), on the flip side you can look to the Hurricane Katerina aftermath and lack of prosecution of financial firms in 2008 as parallels for "lack of accountability".


Yep, no country is perfect in this respect, but that's not an excuse to fail your people either.

omae mona wrote:I'd like all these countries to do better, personally.


This is what we all want....
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Re: CENSORED by the Japan Times

Postby havill » Tue Sep 30, 2014 5:20 pm

Speaking of being censored and stealth edits in response to me finding out inconvenient facts, this just happened:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Debi ... uitting.22

So much for debito.org and its obsession with the "historical record".
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Re: CENSORED by the Japan Times

Postby wagyl » Tue Sep 30, 2014 5:31 pm

I am glad I don't care enough about anyone or anything to go to the effort of getting involved in editing Wikipedia. I don't, however, judge anyone else's hobby, so so long as you are having fun/feeling fulfilment, go for it.

(I am also glad that I don't have to stalk the talk pages of Wikipedia articles on myself to see where I should be tweaking my image)
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Re: CENSORED by the Japan Times

Postby matsuki » Tue Sep 30, 2014 5:45 pm

wagyl wrote:I am glad I don't care enough about anyone or anything to go to the effort of getting involved in editing Wikipedia. I don't, however, judge anyone else's hobby, so so long as you are having fun/feeling fulfilment, go for it.

(I am also glad that I don't have to stalk the talk pages of Wikipedia articles on myself to see where I should be tweaking my image)


Pretty much THIS!

Though (without knowing the details of that specific incident, and just making a generalization) can understand why a FG would want to be officially fired over the bullshit "they made me quit" to avoid taking responsibility and skirt the laws crap that goes on here.
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Re: CENSORED by the Japan Times

Postby kurogane » Tue Sep 30, 2014 6:01 pm

wagyl wrote:I am glad I don't care enough about anyone or anything to go to the effort of getting involved in editing Wikipedia.


I got cajoled into helping with the Japan section way back when (2006-ish???), and barely lasted a month. The Japan crowd is a viper's nest, though there are lots of really cool and helpful/positive people too. I got done down for politely suggesting that the author of an otherwise enjoyable article correct his assertion that Kyoto is 300 or so kilometres east of Tokyo.

The consensus was that direction is relative and that I was a Fact Nazi. I still smile when I think of how stupid those fuckwits must be on an IQ test.

Good work there Havill. But you do need a hobby, son :rolleyes:
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Re: CENSORED by the Japan Times

Postby wagyl » Tue Sep 30, 2014 6:07 pm

kurogane wrote: I got done down for politely suggesting that the author of an otherwise enjoyable article correct his assertion that Kyoto is 300 or so kilometres east of Tokyo.

I'm not surprised you fucking Occidentalist. Time to take off your "West is best!" t-shirt.
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Re: CENSORED by the Japan Times

Postby omae mona » Tue Sep 30, 2014 7:12 pm

havill wrote:Speaking of being censored and stealth edits in response to me finding out inconvenient facts, this just happened:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Debi ... uitting.22

So much for debito.org and its obsession with the "historical record".


What a delightful clusterfuck. The Internet is turning out to be a pretty unfriendly place for hypocrites and liars. They should stick to speaking at private events without any permanent record so they can continue to rewrite history as needed. Too bad it's hard to do when you're living in a different country than all your followers.
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Re: CENSORED by the Japan Times

Postby wagyl » Tue Sep 30, 2014 7:23 pm

omae mona wrote:
havill wrote:Speaking of being censored and stealth edits in response to me finding out inconvenient facts, this just happened:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Debi ... uitting.22

So much for debito.org and its obsession with the "historical record".


What a delightful clusterfuck. The Internet is turning out to be a pretty unfriendly place for hypocrites and liars. They should stick to speaking at private events without any permanent record so they can continue to rewrite history as needed. Too bad it's hard to do when you're living in a different country than all your followers.

It would be interesting to know how many followers are living in Japan and how many are back in their home countries and reinforcing memories of their disappointments. I'm not entirely clear where the good doctor bases himself these days, and for most people that international man of mystery look is fine but since he trades so much on his knowledge of current conditions it does make a difference for him.
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Re: CENSORED by the Japan Times

Postby kurogane » Tue Sep 30, 2014 8:28 pm

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kurogane wrote: I got done down for politely suggesting that the author of an otherwise enjoyable article correct his assertion that Kyoto is 300 or so kilometres east of Tokyo.

I'm not surprised you fucking Occidentalist. Time to take off your "West is best!" t-shirt.


Yeah, I suppose my Western Imperialist attitude showed through when I insisted compass points were not relative.... :oops:

BTW, I know at least 5 hardcore Debitotantes in Vancouver. Every one of them is a returned NOVA/JETi. I always found it weird how so many people that parade their Japan Thang are so desperate to think so badly of the place they claim to know and love. Not one of them speaks more than rudimentary Japanese, btw, to go back to that lingusitic broker/conduit argument somebody mentioned about the Fat Man's chosen schtick.

At any rate, he is a waste of oxygen. I always laugh at people stupid enough to think that doing worse than nothing is better than doing nothing at all.
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Re: CENSORED by the Japan Times

Postby legion » Tue Sep 30, 2014 8:48 pm

Apparently Peter Barakan resigned from the board of Inter FM because they didn't like him talking about Fukushima's little problem on his morning show.
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Re: CENSORED by the Japan Times

Postby Yokohammer » Tue Sep 30, 2014 8:51 pm

legion wrote:Apparently Peter Barakan resigned from the board of Inter FM because they didn't like him talking about Fukushima's little problem on his morning show.

Interesting. Has he come out and said that himself? On a blog or something?


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Re: CENSORED by the Japan Times

Postby legion » Tue Sep 30, 2014 8:58 pm

He's being quite calm about it, but the DJ's sound pretty miffed. Afraid my source is the wife cos she is an Inter Fm fan, particularly What The Friday, which is no more.
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Re: CENSORED by the Japan Times

Postby Yokohammer » Tue Sep 30, 2014 9:04 pm

legion wrote:He's being quite calm about it, but the DJ's sound pretty miffed. Afraid my source is the wife cos she is an Inter Fm fan, particularly What The Friday, which is no more.

I had heard that he'd sort of flipped 'em the bird and stepped down, and that there were political issues involved, but the reason wasn't really clear. Barakan is pretty much a mainstay at InterFM, so this is kind of big news (to me).


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Re: CENSORED by the Japan Times

Postby legion » Tue Sep 30, 2014 9:09 pm

He will still work there as a DJ, but much less, so no more John Martyn or Sandy Denny in the morning for me.

I won't miss his boku ha gaijin tendency tho
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Re: CENSORED by the Japan Times

Postby havill » Tue Sep 30, 2014 9:49 pm

kurogane wrote:Good work there Havill. But you do need a hobby, son :rolleyes:


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Re: CENSORED by the Japan Times

Postby Russell » Tue Sep 30, 2014 10:50 pm

kurogane wrote:
wagyl wrote:I am glad I don't care enough about anyone or anything to go to the effort of getting involved in editing Wikipedia.


I got cajoled into helping with the Japan section way back when (2006-ish???), and barely lasted a month. The Japan crowd is a viper's nest, though there are lots of really cool and helpful/positive people too. I got done down for politely suggesting that the author of an otherwise enjoyable article correct his assertion that Kyoto is 300 or so kilometres east of Tokyo.

The consensus was that direction is relative and that I was a Fact Nazi. I still smile when I think of how stupid those fuckwits must be on an IQ test.


Actually, they were right on the direction, but slightly wrong on the distance.

Kyoto is some 39,700 km east of Tokyo...
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Re: CENSORED by the Japan Times

Postby Yokohammer » Wed Oct 01, 2014 6:23 am

Russell wrote:
kurogane wrote:
wagyl wrote:I am glad I don't care enough about anyone or anything to go to the effort of getting involved in editing Wikipedia.


I got cajoled into helping with the Japan section way back when (2006-ish???), and barely lasted a month. The Japan crowd is a viper's nest, though there are lots of really cool and helpful/positive people too. I got done down for politely suggesting that the author of an otherwise enjoyable article correct his assertion that Kyoto is 300 or so kilometres east of Tokyo.

The consensus was that direction is relative and that I was a Fact Nazi. I still smile when I think of how stupid those fuckwits must be on an IQ test.


Actually, they were right on the direction, but slightly wrong on the distance.

Kyoto is some 39,700 km east of Tokyo...

Ooh you sly dog, you.
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Re: CENSORED by the Japan Times

Postby havill » Wed Oct 01, 2014 8:45 am

I guess he's going to have to delete this article too:

http://www.debito.org/?p=10483

where he complains about his enemies hiding embarrassing information on the internet.
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Re: CENSORED by the Japan Times

Postby kurogane » Wed Oct 01, 2014 12:17 pm

havill wrote:
kurogane wrote:Good work there Havill. But you do need a hobby, son :rolleyes:


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At least you know you're doing it, eh!!???? :clap:

Russell,

Brilliant. That took me 3 reads and a think. But I thunked it. I only wish I had thought of that tack at the time.

Seriously, though, my Wikipediac Relativity experience scared me off the internet more than any of the pinheads on Gaijinpot ever could have. I even thought I heard Magellan screeching from his grave.


PS It just occurred to me to wonder if any of the resident jackal-bites that drove me off Wikipedia were actually clever enough to mean what Russell did. Judging by their written English, I am still going with NFW. Still............. :idea: :?:
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