America is a big baby!

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For those in an America-bashing mood, read Michael Moore's books "Stupid White Men" and "Dude, Where's My Country?". He does a decent job of detailing how Bush stole the 2000 election, how the Bushes are in bed with the Saudis, how the Bush administration implied (erroneously) that 9/11 and Al-Qaeda were linked to Saddam, etc. Great reading.

Just insane.. 'Dude Where's My Country' has a chapter with 7 questions he would like to ask George Bush, I'd love to see those 2 go at in on TV, now that be 'Reality' programming..!!! Also, Moore's spin on the 'terrorists' actually being (15 of 19) Saudi's.. if they had been North Korean or Iranian I'm guessing his comments true in that the media would have been saying it was North Korea (or Iran) that Attacked on 9/11..!!!

Despite what Andocrates says below, I think Michael Moore's books are speaking in street terms to issues that Americans should be asking themselves about the current mess. Finally, if your looking for other sources of material that are interesting in this respect, I'm also enjoying a book by Chalmers Johnson called "BlowBack" and Greg Palast's "The Best Democracy Money Can Buy".

Personally I think Michael Moore is as big an ass as Bush. he's the exact duplicate of Rush Limbaugh and that ilk, same bullshit different accent.

Hmmm.. Have you bothered to read it..?!? I wonder what portions you take issue with.. and how that compares to the depth of 'bullshit' people have been feed from your right-wing media..?!?

He's not telling you the truth he's pushing his own agenda and selling books. No one is in charge of the truth, nor indeed can be. The truth comes from the collective mind of a people.

Thats quaint.. fight fire with fire grandpa used to say. The collective 'mind' of the people has been mislead on so many angles in this whole affair, since the get-go, you can't blame anybody for not having a grasp on the truth anymore. I suppose it's too much to expect 'elected' officials should represent the interests of-by-for the people who put them in office and pay their salary..?!?! Ooops, guess thats another old fashion belief. Ben Franklin must be spinning in his grave these days.

Anyone can make there case if they are allowed to voice their opinion without debate.

Good point, Bush & Co. are making alot of noise & not backing it up with facts (you know the Real kind), let alone facing the music from the domestic press. Don't you think that his handling of events are much more befitting of an impeachment hearing than the Great Clinton Cigar Scandel..?!?

[kamome]

Just insane.. 'Dude Where's My Country' has a chapter with 7 questions he would like to ask George Bush

Yeah, the seven questions are really good. I've been wondering the same things, but this is the first book I've read that collected all of my thoughts together and put them in perspective with citations to magazine and news articles for support.

Don't you think that his handling of events are much more befitting of an impeachment hearing than the Great Clinton Cigar Scandal..?!?

Absolutely. Where the hell are the calls for impeachment? I guess people are too scared to do it while our soldiers are on foreign soil, but the lies, the cherry-picking of intelligence, and other fabrications about American justifications for going to war are every bit as scandalous (if not more so) as the Clinton affair. I think liberals need to be more aggressive on this.

[jez]

Noam Chomsky? good god I feared you were a liberal but I never dreamed you were an anarchist. I think I would do pretty good in your visionary world, being that I'm American and got all these guns lying around.

[jez]

I think he's more in the Green Party-Ralph Nader camp.

Is it possible to not belong to 'a camp' in your vision of the world?

[GuyJean]

Is it possible to not belong to 'a camp' in your vision of the world?

Uh, oh. I feel another 'why can't it be a leaderless-classless-borderless-religionless-structureless-categoryless-monetaryless-kumbaya singin world' speech approaching..

Just imagine..

GJ

[GuyJean]

"The far right and far left need each other to survive. If one ceases to exist then the other loses it's relevance and will also cease to exist."

In some ways, I think we need the left and the right in order to make reality, which is in the middle.. But the pendulum does swing..

Anyone see the CIA doc last night on BS-2? Some freaky shit that most Americans don't want to know..

Part 2 is airing tonight at 10; after the Cold War. It's produced by the French, but in English, and they interview retired agents.. Probably biased, depending who you ask. But I have an acute bullshit detector, since I know it's on BS.

GJ

[jez]

Is it possible to not belong to 'a camp' in your vision of the world?

Uh, oh. I feel another 'why can't it be a leaderless-classless-borderless-religionless-structureless-categoryless-monetaryless-kumbaya singin world' speech approaching.. 8O

What a strange answer to my question. Not sure you understood me.

[jez]

In some ways, I think we need the left and the right in order to make reality, which is in the middle.. But the pendulum does swing..

If 'we' 'know' that the reality is in the 'middle', why is it that other people have to be on the right/left? Are 'we' so special? Are we more intelligent than 'them'? How come we know the 'truth' but 'they' don't?

[Andocrates]

If 'we' 'know' that the reality is in the 'middle', why is it that other people have to be on the right/left? Are 'we' so special? Are we more intelligent than 'them'? How come we know the 'truth' but 'they' don't?

Because one person alone can be pretty sharp, but that same person in a group of 100 people turns into a sheep. No country is as crippled by the herd instinct as Japan, but all countries do have some group think problems.

The postors on this board do not represent the general public, not that were necessarily smarter, but we do have a larger view of the world.

[kamome]

If 'we' 'know' that the reality is in the 'middle', why is it that other people have to be on the right/left? Are 'we' so special? Are we more intelligent than 'them'? How come we know the 'truth' but 'they' don't?

'Jez', you 'are' beginning to 'get' on 'my nerves'.

[GomiGirl]

I don't fit in with the left or the right.. nor do I want to have my ideals shaped by somebody else's ideologies. I try to approach each issue on it's merits rather than how others think about it..

but then I am unique!!

[jez]

If 'we' 'know' that the reality is in the 'middle', why is it that other people have to be on the right/left? Are 'we' so special? Are we more intelligent than 'them'? How come we know the 'truth' but 'they' don't?

'Jez', you 'are' beginning to 'get' on 'my nerves'.

'So sorry'.

[jez]

The postors on this board do not represent the general public, not that were necessarily smarter, but we do have a larger view of the world.

We are human beings. Surely if we are able to see 'reality', then others are too. If not, let's give up debating now:we are wasting our time.

[Caustic Saint]

If 'we' 'know' that the reality is in the 'middle', why is it that other people have to be on the right/left? Are 'we' so special? Are we more intelligent than 'them'? How come we know the 'truth' but 'they' don't?

'Jez', you 'are' beginning to 'get' on 'my nerves'.

Nah. Just imagine somebody saying that sentence aloud and using exaggerated, Dr. Evil "finger quotes" for every 'quoted' word. Makes for an amusing mental picture.

[AssKissinger]

If 'we' 'know' that the reality is in the 'middle', why is it that other people have to be on the right/left? Are 'we' so special? Are we more intelligent than 'them'? How come we know the 'truth' but 'they' don't?

Where's the ignore button when you need it?

[Big Booger]

I'll back Jezzypoo. He's got a right to say what he feels, no matter if I agree or not. That is the beauty of open forums like FG. But if you don't want to hear his slobberings, I can understand that.

[NeoNecroNomiCron]

The 'flagrant' 'use' of '"quotation marks"' is 'almost' like the return or shibuya me's '"rambunctious"' use of the bold button.

[AssKissinger]

Yeah but Shibuya Me has (had?) a lovable kind of charm. Jez is just plain annoying...maybe it's his avatar.

[NeoNecroNomiCron]

[jez]

Yeah but Shibuya Me has (had?) a lovable kind of charm. Jez is just plain annoying...maybe it's his avatar.

No I would cant agree Shibuya had more of a loathsome annoyance. Teh only person that actually can annoy me. I quite like Jez's posts but I don

[NeoNecroNomiCron]

How I love being talked about....

I am not saying your are but i have my suspicions anyway here is a link Trolling HOWTO

[jez]

I am not saying your are but i have my suspicions

Sorry you feel that way. Perhaps you should try looking into what I've been saying. Thanks for the link-could come in handy, you never know

[NeoNecroNomiCron]

I am not saying your are but i have my suspicions

Sorry you feel that way. Perhaps you should try looking into what I've been saying. Thanks for the link-could come in handy, you never know

If you have read my previous post indeed I have been reading what you have been saying. Most of which I do agreee with. But at teh same time because you have been saying it so much it seems like troll bate/ crap flooding. Although your arguement is often sound it is falling on ears that have heard it all / unwilling to listen / do not care.

[jez]

Neo,
I know you and I have similar opinions, as I can see from your posts on Benjamin Zephaniah.
If trolling means repeating the same things over and over to people who won't listen, then perhaps I am a troller. What I say, however, is what I believe in. People aren't forced to listen/respond to me. They choose to.

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Since this thread seems to have wandered way off the original post..

I am in the US now till June. It's really a bad time to be here because America is so afraid of terrorism, it's sickening. Let the towel heads come and we'll shoot them down like dogs in the street. Every rumor and fart out of an Arab makes us tremble like little girls.

I thought this might lighten things up a little:

US Attorney General John Ashcroft was visiting an elementary school.
After 15 minutes speaking he says, "I will now answer any questions
you have."

Bobby stands up and says: "I have four questions:
1. How did Bush win the election with fewer votes than Gore?
2. Why haven't you caught Osama bin Laden?
3. Why are you using the American Patriot Act to limit civil liberties?
4. Where are the weapons of mass destruction in Iraq?"

Just then the bell goes off and the kids rushed out to play. Upon
returning, Mr. Ashcroft said: "I am sorry we were interrupted. I
will answer any questions you have."

A little girl called Julie stands up and says: "I have six questions:
1. How did Bush win the election with fewer votes than Gore?
2. Why haven't you caught Osama bin Laden?
3. Why are you using the American Patriot Act to limit civil liberties?
4. Where are the weapons of mass destruction in Iraq?
5. Why did the bell ring twenty minutes early?
6. Where's Bobby?

[soulkraka]

LMAO