Gaijin Ghetto indeed...

[kurogane]

I can totally see that cop telling him to get the fuck out of the road or something similar.

That is what happened. The dead fat-tard and his accomplice friend were walking down the middle of the street and the cop drove up and told them to get on the sidewalk. At 292 pounds it's not hard to imagine he was presenting a significant obstacle to traffic flow.

But let's use your rather classically American attitude as an illumination of what many First Worlders see as the classic American dilemma: the indulgence of criminal stupidity as an innate right.

Why should 2 fat cigar thieves feel free to walk down the middle of a city street rather than avail their porked up criminal asses of the available sidewalk, and why should a patrol constable not use his authority to suggest they do so? Or is promoting public order and safety really considered to be Little Shit not worthy of the time of even those charged to do exactly that?

This idea that the police are the root of the problem mystifies me, though I agree their Nazi Jackboot approach doesn't help any at all. I have been through US Customs enough to know that a badge and some authority are all you need to make a comically fat subliterate retard into a swaggering power drunk bully. It works rather well with fat women and Canadian Customs, too, BTW.

[Salty]

I can totally see that cop telling him to get the fuck out of the road or something similar.

That is what happened. The dead fat-tard and his accomplice friend were walking down the middle of the street and the cop drove up and told them to get on the sidewalk. At 292 pounds it's not hard to imagine he was presenting a significant obstacle to traffic flow.

But let's use your rather classically American attitude as an illumination of what many First Worlders see as the classic American dilemma: the indulgence of criminal stupidity as an innate right.

Why should 2 fat cigar thieves feel free to walk down the middle of a city street rather than avail their porked up criminal asses of the available sidewalk, and why should a patrol constable not use his authority to suggest they do so? Or is promoting public order and safety really considered to be Little Shit not worthy of the time of even those charged to do exactly that?

This idea that the police are the root of the problem mystifies me, though I agree their Nazi Jackboot approach doesn't help any at all. I have been through US Customs enough to know that a badge and some authority are all you need to make a comically fat subliterate retard into a swaggering power drunk bully. It works rather well with fat women and Canadian Customs, too, BTW.

I miss-posted my Lessons not learned above, and seem to have hijacked the thread in doing so. So please let me transition here…

I wholly agree that the US police could use some charm training and not so much military asshole training, because they can come across as power hungry asses on occasion. But I have also known some very polite US police officers, and have been let off with a Have a good day when I could have received a traffic ticket too. This both in the US, and here in Japan too. (Note the transition….)

Police here in Japan, from my experience – never show the asshole demeanour, and do not appear to be power hungry. Of course to a drunkard with rights in Roppongi, their smile may not travel as well as it does for me.

[matsuki]

I just read a bit about this poor fat stoop Brown that got his retarded ass shot 6 times; I am not sure I quite get this: he robbed a store, started an altercation with a patrolling police officer, tried to run his comically fat ass away and got shot 6 times.

So, what exactly is the problem that has led to so much protest and violence? Isn't it racist to suggest that a white police officer shouldn't shoot a violent black criminal? Have Americans really gotten this stupid? Or is it the internet and vulgar media fomenting entitlement addled crybabies.

Allowing that 6 bullets might be seen as 4 too many, of course.

But...but...but...he was black! and he wasn't armed (cause that totally stopped him from robbing that store with violence) so it must be racist and murder because the cop was white

All the bullshit about throwing his hands up, don't shoot, blah blah blah seems to have been dis-proven and the fact that the dude was charging at the cop after assaulting him...not running away. I think it's white guilt and the fear of being labelled a racist if you don't support the protests.

Put video recorders on all the cops and end the bullshit already. (same for Japanese cops, interrogations, etc.)

[kurogane]

Yes to all that. Martin Luther King is currently consoling Rosa Parks, who has broken down in tears of disbelief and dismay.

Have any black leaders come out on the side of reason? This was one of the most justified shootings I have ever heard of. The states really has lost its moral bearings. I mean that sympathetically to you Good Uns out there.

[matsuki]

Yes to all that. Martin Luther King is currently consoling Rosa Parks, who has broken down in tears of disbelief and dismay.

Have any black leaders come out on the side of reason? This was one of the most justified shootings I have ever heard of. The states really has lost its moral bearings. I mean that sympathetically to you Good Uns out there.

Black leaders are just as bad spin artists as the regular press, evil marketers, etc.

To use your Rosa Parks example:

Claudette Colvin (born September 5, 1939) is a pioneer of the African-American civil rights movement. On March 2, 1955, she was the first person arrested for resisting bus segregation in Montgomery, Alabama, preceding the more publicized Rosa Parks incident by nine months.

Colvin was among the five women originally included in the federal court case, filed on February 1, 1956 as Browder v. Gayle, and testified before the three-judge panel that heard the case in the United States District Court. On June 13, 1956, the judges determined that the state and local laws requiring bus segregation in Alabama were unconstitutional. The case went to the United States Supreme Court, which upheld their ruling on December 17, 1956. She was the last witness to testify and was considered the "star" witness. Three days later, the Supreme Court issued an order to Montgomery and the state to end bus segregation in Alabama.

For a long time, Montgomery's black leaders did not publicize Colvin's pioneering effort because she was a teenager and became pregnant while unmarried. Given the social norms of the time and her youth, the NAACP leaders worried about using her to represent their movement.

Basically, PR friendly Rosa Parks gets all the credit for staging a more dramatic copycat act of what Claudette Colvin actually did. Most Americans have no clue who Colvin is and falsely think the Rosa Parks incident was the first of it's kind and some kind of spontaneous "stand up for my rights moment." Ironically, though Parks was chosen for being the best candidate for seeing through a court challenge, Browder v. Gayle was what ended up in court and despite Colvin being the "star witness" in that case, Rosa Parks still gets all the credit today.

[wagyl]

Cool! While Claudette is a grubby little minx, I'm glad I stayed awake during Black History Month this time!

[matsuki]

BTW Kuro...Brown's mother and supporters are still claiming this video of his robbery before the shooting isn't him and the stolen cigs were planted on him as some sort of smear campaign...



They lost me at reality...

[Salty]

I don`t fault Brown`s mother – she is grieving and holding on to all she has. She isn`t required, nor ready to – face reality. She wasn`t a witness. It doesn`t much matter what she says.

[kurogane]

I wouldn't want to blame her or fault her either, but this "It's True because I know my son" crap only makes her look like an emospastic welfare warthog having a hissy fit rather than any sort of proper spokesperson. This delusional denial of the obvious and the wider inability of most blacks shown in the vulgar media to make cogent, articulate statements and commentary is a major detriment to any progress. Back in the day they would have had Negro Notables from the Church or the NAACP making articulate, powerful comments and appeals and all we get are these repulsive, repetitive interviews with monosyllabics named after imaginary Zulu warrior queens and sugary snack foods blathering on about The Emotional and Personal Impact of this Terrible Tragedy. If the 60s hadn't been so crap for so many blacks I'd almost wish we could go back, if only for the sheer beauty of the way the Negro people used to speak.

[Salty]

So I googled `present day US African American leaders` and got zip. Only history sites. Surely there are a few around, but I haven`t been able to find them, nor have I seen any interviews of them, or their statements post- the Brown killing verdict announcement.

Except for Obama, none speaking out against the rioting. None telling blacks to get their shit together, become educated, get a good job, work hard, and contribute to society. These were drilled into me, if not on a daily basis, at least frequently enough that they became personal goals. What gives? Have I just missed these leaders?

[kurogane]

I would actually be happy enough if they would just learn to speak some recognisable variety of fuckin' English. Hell, if Ken Takakura could manage it surely a purported native speaker could.

[jingai]

Well, this thread went downhill in a hurry. Sure, mock how minority speakers speak English, their native language. Tell us all why stealing is a capital offense. Assert that nobody in the black community in the US believes in hard work or self-restraint or is calling for non-violent shows of their frustration with how police treat minorities in general.

It all sounds very old-fashioned and out of touch with the reality in the US.

As for guilt or innocence, that would have come out in the trial. All we have are the officer's self-serving take on the events, an autopsy report and conflicting witness accounts. Brown shouldn't have died that day and it raises serious questions. We can't continue to have a justice system that large segments of the population think is rigged and illegitimate and expect peace.

[kurogane]

Sure, mock how minority speakers speak English, their native language...........................
It all sounds very old-fashioned and out of touch with the reality in the US.

I am more than sufficently in touch with the current reality in the US, especially this indulgence and celebration of subliterate blathering; no native speaker should appear in front of a TV camera and use wheeze as a pronoun. It's a verb. The verb to be should also be conjugated with some attention to grammatical niceties. People that can't do that don't need to be allowed to speak on camera. As Marx noted, if they can't speak for themselves they must be spoken for.

What I don't get is all this hysterical sympathy for a violent emospazzed criminal too stupid to feign innocence and just walk home after he committed a violent crime just around the corner; the Grand Jury heard the evidence and decided that he deserved the Darwin Award he roped that poor cop into giving him. It would be kind of funny if he sued the retard's parents for loss of income but he's probably too decent to do that. At any rate, the only real victims here are that cop, the parents that can at least claim shock and grief to excuse their emospastic stupidity, and a certain degree of my respect and admiration for a formerly abysmally treated group of people whose leaders seem unable to convince their emotionally incontinent followers that acting like a bunch of rampaging monkeys trashing their own cages is not the best way to address a resilient social issue. If I weren't well trained enough I might be stupid enough to think that discriminated minorities really are the architect of their own situation. And I will bet you an ice cold root beer there are more than enough netizens that are stupid enough to think it that the Interwebz is fairly buzzing with old school racist BS that argues exactly that. And having watched a full 12 seconds of those ridiculous demonstrations it’s hard to argue that even bigotry that stupid is any stupiderer than the demonstrators and their pathetic attention to such an open and shut case.

[Mike Oxlong]

I thought this NFL player Benjamin Watson wrote well about it, though I don't agree with his final paragraph.

At some point while I was playing or preparing to play Monday Night Football, the news broke about the Ferguson Decision. After trying to figure out how I felt, I decided to write it down. Here are my thoughts:

I'M ANGRY because the stories of injustice that have been passed down for generations seem to be continuing before our very eyes.

I'M FRUSTRATED, because pop culture, music and movies glorify these types of police citizen altercations and promote an invincible attitude that continues to get young men killed in real life, away from safety movie sets and music studios.

I'M FEARFUL because in the back of my mind I know that although I'm a law abiding citizen I could still be looked upon as a "threat" to those who don't know me. So I will continue to have to go the extra mile to earn the benefit of the doubt.

I'M EMBARRASSED because the looting, violent protests, and law breaking only confirm, and in the minds of many, validate, the stereotypes and thus the inferior treatment.

I'M SAD, because another young life was lost from his family, the racial divide has widened, a community is in shambles, accusations, insensitivity hurt and hatred are boiling over, and we may never know the truth about what happened that day.

I'M SYMPATHETIC, because I wasn't there so I don't know exactly what happened. Maybe Darren Wilson acted within his rights and duty as an officer of the law and killed Michael Brown in self defense like any of us would in the circumstance. Now he has to fear the backlash against himself and his loved ones when he was only doing his job. What a horrible thing to endure. OR maybe he provoked Michael and ignited the series of events that led to him eventually murdering the young man to prove a point.

I'M OFFENDED, because of the insulting comments I've seen that are not only insensitive but dismissive to the painful experiences of others.

I'M CONFUSED, because I don't know why it's so hard to obey a policeman. You will not win!!! And I don't know why some policeman abuse their power. Power is a responsibility, not a weapon to brandish and lord over the populace.

I'M INTROSPECTIVE, because sometimes I want to take "our" side without looking at the facts in situations like these. Sometimes I feel like it's us against them. Sometimes I'm just as prejudiced as people I point fingers at. And that's not right. How can I look at white skin and make assumptions but not want assumptions made about me? That's not right.

I'M HOPELESS, because I've lived long enough to expect things like this to continue to happen. I'm not surprised and at some point my little children are going to inherit the weight of being a minority and all that it entails.

I'M HOPEFUL, because I know that while we still have race issues in America, we enjoy a much different normal than those of our parents and grandparents. I see it in my personal relationships with teammates, friends and mentors. And it's a beautiful thing.

I'M ENCOURAGED, because ultimately the problem is not a SKIN problem, it is a SIN problem. SIN is the reason we rebel against authority. SIN is the reason we abuse our authority. SIN is the reason we are racist, prejudiced and lie to cover for our own. SIN is the reason we riot, loot and burn. BUT I'M ENCOURAGED because God has provided a solution for sin through the his son Jesus and with it, a transformed heart and mind. One that's capable of looking past the outward and seeing what's truly important in every human being. The cure for the Michael Brown, Trayvon Martin, Tamir Rice and Eric Garner tragedies is not education or exposure. It's the Gospel. So, finally, I'M ENCOURAGED because the Gospel gives mankind hope.

[Samurai_Jerk]

the Grand Jury heard the evidence and decided that he deserved the Darwin Award he roped that poor cop into giving him.

You're going on the assumption that the courts are generally fair, that the police didn't fake or hide evidence, and that the prosecution actually wanted to pursue this case. The problem is that a lot of black people assume the opposite so the grand jury's decision means little to them. I'd like to be able to say that they're delusional but given the history of exactly these types of thing happening in the US their paranoia is at least understandable if not totally justified.

[matsuki]

the Grand Jury heard the evidence and decided that he deserved the Darwin Award he roped that poor cop into giving him.

You're going on the assumption that the courts are generally fair, that the police didn't fake or hide evidence, and that the prosecution actually wanted to pursue this case. The problem is that a lot of black people assume the opposite so the grand jury's decision means little to them. I'd like to be able to say that they're delusional but given the history of exactly these types of thing happening in the US their paranoia is at least understandable if not totally justified.

Grand Jury, not a DA, chose not to indite him. Police hiding evidence or the prosecutor not doing his job here on such a high profile case would have been insane though I agree, there are problems with both of those issues in lower profile cases...but I don't see it as a race issue as much as assholes in uniform/power abusing their positions. Cameras on all officers, patrol cars, etc. at all times won't solve everything but it's a damn good start and will definitely discourage assery of all kinds on their part.

[kurogane]

I hope I am on record as a strong and loyal friend of the Negro (my Negro friend claims I have an Inner Black Woman, which is why I dance to Negro music so nicely), and I get what you both are saying, but I still have to repeat:

Why this case???? Even allowing for all the mis and disinformation and the crazed preestablished perceptions, the only conclusion most people should be able to come in this case is that the kid dug his own grave. But yeah, I get that there is now such a strong mindset about it that any White Cop that shoots a Black Kid is automatically guilty, any investigation is automatically a whitewash, and every dead criminal is a community hero. And that is the real tragedy here; there are plenty of people that deserve both justice and support but this makes it look as though the Negro now thinks that any black kid should be able to do anything he wants and be free from the threat of legal punishment of any sort, especially if the cop is white. It really is a Welfare Warthog half-brained common sense raised to the level of a philosophy. The Negros that inspired me in the 60s would be appalled at this perversion of their efforts and their struggle. That is my aforementioned Inner Black Woman speaking, of course.

To a First Worlder that grew up free of any racial issues at all it almost seems comical, but the poor cop has had his life ruined and another mother who probably was a good and loving one (even if she is now a babbling moron) has lost a son (even if he was a fat, violent, thieving POS), and that's just not funny.

[matsuki]

Why this case????

Pretty much my only point through all this. I don't disagree with the problems, racial or otherwise, with the police in that area, and the rest of the U.S....but this has turned into the most insanely over-hyped case eVar!!Don't dare question the movement or hype!! In many of the other forums I visit/lurk on, anyone that isn't siding with "this is injustice!!" is assumed to be white and auto-labelled a "closet racist" by the loudest fucks everywhere. WTF??

[Samurai_Jerk]

Grand Jury, not a DA, chose not to indite him.

It's the prosecution who presents the evidence to the grand jury so a DA who is friendly with the police could easily do his best to not present the most compelling case.

Why this case????

Pretty much my only point through all this

I don't know why you two keep asking the same question when it's already been answered. It's not only about this case and people don't believe the police.

[kurogane]

I know you know what we mean and that you get it, but the problem there is we're effectively admitting that The Negro is incapable of rational thought. I have vague memories of that sort of thing being said in 1968 Alabama (CBC uses subtitles). I really would hate to have to even begin to think that Bubba had a point.


It is probably better that another fat criminal died (no 18 year old should weigh more than 212 pounds anyways). He was of very little use to the species. The fact that anyone cares beyond his immediate grieving family is an outrage.

[Samurai_Jerk]

I know you know what we mean and that you get it, but the problem there is we're effectively admitting that The Negro is incapable of rational thought. I have vague memories of that sort of thing being said in 1968 Alabama (CBC uses subtitles). I really would hate to have to even begin to think that Bubba had a point.


It is probably better that another fat criminal died (no 18 year old should weigh more than 212 pounds anyways). He was of very little use to the species. The fact that anyone cares beyond his immediate grieving family is an outrage.

That's not what I'm saying at all. If anything given the history of how black people have been treated in the US, I think it's very rational for them to be suspicious. Hell, I'm a white middle class descendant of Confederate slave owners and I don't trust the pigs based on my limited experience in dealing with them.

[wagyl]

I know you know what we mean and that you get it, but the problem there is we're effectively admitting that The Negro is incapable of rational thought. I have vague memories of that sort of thing being said in 1968 Alabama (CBC uses subtitles). I really would hate to have to even begin to think that Bubba had a point.


It is probably better that another fat criminal died (no 18 year old should weigh more than 212 pounds anyways). He was of very little use to the species. The fact that anyone cares beyond his immediate grieving family is an outrage.

That's not what I'm saying at all. If anything given the history of how black people have been treated in the US, I think it's very rational for them to be suspicious. Hell, I'm a white middle class descendant of Confederate slave owners and I don't trust the pigs based on my limited experience in dealing with them.

I don't know why you are bothering to reply, SJ, since Kuro is veering off into Soylent Green standard enforced morality here: you've eaten a lifetime's worth of food already, time to meet your maker.
(Then again, I haven't had the best record in holding back from replying when choosing not to reply might have been the better option, so far be it from me to give anyone advice...)

[kurogane]

Yeah, fair enough, eh!? Still, I am not being completely insincere. As SJ noted, American blacks have every reason to be at least skeptical, often suspicious, and always vigilant, but this case does not deserve this much attention, anger or hysteria. It makes people look like braying morons incapable of reason or logic. Besides, that dead kid looks like he had already eaten 3 lifetime's worth of soylent green.

And that's a wrap for me.

[wangta]

I get that American police forces are renowned for their cretinous brutality and racist thuggery and that deserves comment, action and oversight, but this newish idea that obeying lawful police commands is a personal decision just makes me wonder if Oprah wasn't the worse thing to happen to black culture in the last 30 years. You simply can't have that many monosyllabic Shatiquas and Blondells thinking that their voice matters when it comes to dealing with a bunch of racist assholes whose uniforms simply scream Reinhard Heydrich Fan Club. So we're clear, I blame the cops and that weird American militaristic police culture, but self-preservation is a good thing too.

Pure genius Kurogane. Ones like this are why I come to fg (as well as from other posters).

I think the main problem with M Brown's death was it just seemed more of the usual shit from trigger happy cops in the US. There's a whole shitload of vids on youtube showing their ol bullshit, nastiness and actions that beg the question of whether they are actually policemen or vigilantes from Blackwater or whatever that company is. Apparently there are just about no black policemen or few policing Ferguson and one of the results is a festeringly bad relationship between the younger black people there and the police.

I think it panned out this way - the PO who did it was sick to death of gobshite blacks justifying all their crime petty and otherwise by screaming about their rights and racism etc etc and over-reacted to Michael Brown and his mate fresh out of doing strong arm robbery to a kid working at a convenience store.

But as an officer of the law his job was to stay cool when members of the public are not and from reasonable news articles it seems the kid was handled with excessive force. He had an altercation with the PO, the PO said he was fearful for his life but it does seem weird that Brown should have a death wish and get into it with an armed cop. Some news reports said he was heading away from the PO when he was fatally shot.

But I think that people in the US and elsewhere are starting to get tired of the constant slavery meme being brought out when this happens and quite rightly point out that in Chicago young black men have declared open season upon each other, murdering a number of black children caught in the crossfire.

The numbers are increasing and I for one don't blame the US public for seeing Prez Obama as a hypocrite for focusing on individual black youths killed in admittedly needless tragedies (Trayvon whose only crime was to wear a hoodie and cut through a gated neighbourhood and Mike Brown whose crime was actual and followed up by one of stupidity) while failing to make similar urgent addresses about blacks turning the southside of Chicago into a war zone of their own volition.

The black 'activists' who continually turn up for these cases and ignore black on black crime which is increasing and horrendous as well as ignoring black flash mobbing of non black people in shopping malls and disproportionate levels of black crime by the younger black male demographic have become professional race baiters regardless of their just cause. It's their constant turning of it all into the same old race debate with no new focus and their ignorance of realities such as how the black community in Chicago is furious at inaction by fellow blacks such as them that makes it an endless cycle of victimhood instead of more clarity and focus.

[Mike Oxlong]

I get that American police forces are renowned for their cretinous brutality and racist thuggery and that deserves comment, action and oversight, but this newish idea that obeying lawful police commands is a personal decision just makes me wonder if Oprah wasn't the worse thing to happen to black culture in the last 30 years. You simply can't have that many monosyllabic Shatiquas and Blondells thinking that their voice matters when it comes to dealing with a bunch of racist assholes whose uniforms simply scream Reinhard Heydrich Fan Club. So we're clear, I blame the cops and that weird American militaristic police culture, but self-preservation is a good thing too.

Canuckistan too, since at least the G8/G20 Summits in Ontario 2010. That's just when I first kinda went "huh?!".

[Samurai_Jerk]

I'm surprised this Ferguson discussion hasn't been split off and moved to Beyond Fucked yet.

Anyway, I usually hate it when a white lib social justice warrior writes something like this but I think Tim Wise did a pretty good job.

I suppose there is no longer much point in debating the facts surrounding the shooting of Michael Brown. First, because Officer Darren Wilson has been cleared by a grand jury, and even the collective brilliance of a thousand bloggers pointing out the glaring inconsistencies in his version of events that August day won’t result in a different outcome. And second, because Wilson’s guilt or innocence was always somewhat secondary to the larger issue: namely, the issue of this gigantic national inkblot staring us in the face, and what we see when we look at it—and more to the point, why?

[Coligny]

I get that American police forces are renowned for their cretinous brutality and racist thuggery and that deserves comment, action and oversight, but this newish idea that obeying lawful police commands is a personal decision just makes me wonder if Oprah wasn't the worse thing to happen to black culture in the last 30 years. You simply can't have that many monosyllabic Shatiquas and Blondells thinking that their voice matters when it comes to dealing with a bunch of racist assholes whose uniforms simply scream Reinhard Heydrich Fan Club. So we're clear, I blame the cops and that weird American militaristic police culture, but self-preservation is a good thing too.

Canuckistan too, since at least the G8/G20 Summits in Ontario 2010. That's just when I first kinda went "huh?!".

time for them to join the club... we have the cool stuff since the 60's

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Renault Saviem VAB Mk1 with anti riot front blade.
(the blade is mandatory since the shape of the hull designed for amphibious water stream crossing -away or toward Germany- make it excellent at running over people... as well as first class MRAP)

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Renault Alpine 310 V6

[matsuki]

But I think that people in the US and elsewhere are starting to get tired of the constant slavery meme being brought out when this happens and quite rightly point out that in Chicago young black men have declared open season upon each other, murdering a number of black children caught in the crossfire.

“[Those expletives] who are looting, those aren’t real black people, those are scumbags. Real black people, they’re not out there looting. I just watched a great story on CNN where bunch of folks wouldn’t let them burn down an establishment, it was a great story…. But unfortunately, the way the media portrays a lot of black people, we only put the negative black people on television. We don’t put the good hard-working black people. That’s what I said and that’s what I meant. There’s a perception amongst some black people that if you’re not a thug or a hood rat, you don’t wear your pants down by your [expletive] you’re not black enough. And they’re always holding us back, plain and simple. And I a’int shutting up and I a’int backing down.”

“I’m not saying who is right or wrong, I’m just hearing the true story that came out of the grand jury investigation…. Let me just say this. I think that we, we – I know I’m black, but I’m going to try to always be honest and fair – we have to be really careful with the cops. If it wasn’t for the cops, we’d be living in the wild wild west in out neighborhoods. We can’t pick out certain incidents that don’t go our way and act like the cops are all bad. I hate when we do that. Think about it. Do you know how bad some of these neighborhoods would be if it wasn’t for the cops? It’s always great to play monday morning quarterback…. Like I say, I don’t know what happened in Ferguson, nobody knows what happened. I want to take the time as a responsible person [and] read the grand jury statement.”

http://ftw.usatoday.com/2014/12/charles ... n-ferguson

[kurogane]

Aaaah, Sir Charles.............mine faith in the Negro leadership has been restored. I love the way he can be so profanely articulate (always a personal goal) and The He makes a great point about what would happen without all those so-called over armed white bigots prowling the neighbourhoods. I do dislike that tendency to exclude people from membership based on behaviour ('those aren't real black people', etc), but that seems common enough in so much North American social discourse we're probably all guilty of that obsession with authentic representation.

Good find, Choko.

Also, I agree with what Mike Ox said above about our own maple syrup militarisation. The VPD has become increasingly piggish over the past few years, especially in the attitude of the street patrols and they are way out of bounds whenever faced with peaceful demonstrations that oppose the current Party Line. The Olympic demonstrations were marred by pseudo-anarchist douchebags but that wasn't nearly enough reason to go apeshit on the peaceful social activists. The irony was how they laid down like a bunch of junkie hookers for both Stanley Cup riots. I do believe we also have a limited but notable race problem with police in Toronto, Montreal and Halifax, the only cities with any significant Negro Canadian populations. The VPD is infamous for their mistreatment of natives but the Somalian refugees don't tend to get into much trouble and the remaining 6 Vancouver Negroes with whom I play soccer are all law abiding professionals

[Salty]

I'm surprised this Ferguson discussion hasn't been split off and moved to Beyond Fucked yet.

Anyway, I usually hate it when a white lib social justice warrior writes something like this but I think Tim Wise did a pretty good job.

I suppose there is no longer much point in debating the facts surrounding the shooting of Michael Brown. First, because Officer Darren Wilson has been cleared by a grand jury, and even the collective brilliance of a thousand bloggers pointing out the glaring inconsistencies in his version of events that August day won’t result in a different outcome. And second, because Wilson’s guilt or innocence was always somewhat secondary to the larger issue: namely, the issue of this gigantic national inkblot staring us in the face, and what we see when we look at it—and more to the point, why?

Black people have to learn everything about white people just to stay alive. White people just don't get that.

OK, so it has been over 30 years since I lived in the US, but I continued to frequently travel there until about 7 years ago. So I have some familiarity with the country, large cities, the people and the culture. And while I do not think I am a racist – I am baffled by this statement. That is, exactly why must blacks learn everything about white people just to stay alive?

Whites do not routinely attack, maim, or kill blacks – nor do blacks routinely do these to whites. I know that I have seen many black police officers. I know I have seen many black teachers. I know I have seen many black company employees and managers. There were a fair representation of blacks in my undergraduate and graduate programs. Blacks lived on the same street I lived on, ate at the same restaurants, rented the same cars I rented, flew on the same airlines, used the same hospital and clinics, went to the same club I frequented, etc., etc. So what is the cause, and since when do blacks need to learn all about whites to stay alive? No, I do not get it either.