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Postby Wage Slave » Wed Dec 10, 2014 6:52 pm

So it seems that some of Takechinchin's circle of pals are in full outraged denial mode over Angela Jolie's film Unbroken.

Japanese nationalists have labelled Angelina Jolie a racist and there have been calls for her to be banned from the country for directing the movie "Unbroken".

The film, which is scheduled to be released in the United States on Christmas Day, is based on the nonfiction book by Laura Hillenbrand about the life of Olympic athlete Louis Zamperini, who died in July. "Unbroken: A World War II Story of Survival, Resilience and Redemption" was published in 2010, with Japanese objections primarily focused on the experiences of Mr Zamperini at the hands of prison guards after his capture in the Pacific.
Eight of the 11 crew aboard The Green Hornet, a B-24 Liberator, were killed when the aircraft crashed on a search-and-rescue mission south of Hawaii in May 1943. Only Zamperini and the pilot, Russel Phillips, were alive when they were taken aboard a Japanese warship off the Marshall Islands 47 days later.

Zamperini was severely beaten and mistreated until the end of the war, in August 1945, with Mutsuhiro Watanabe – whom the POWs nicknamed "The Bird" – singling him out for particularly harsh treatment. Watanabe once forced the malnourished and weak Zamperini to hold a heavy length of wood over his head for 37 minutes before punching him in the stomach. Japan's nationalists are particularly incensed at descriptions in the book of POWs being "beaten, burned, stabbed or clubbed to death, shot, beheaded, killed during medical experiments or eaten alive in ritual acts of cannibalism".
"It's pure fabrication," Hiromichi Moteki, secretary general of the Society for the Dissemination of Historical Fact, a nationalist pressure group, told The Telegraph.

"If there is no verification of the things he said, then anyone can make such claims," he added. "This movie has no credibility and is immoral." In comments on social media, posters have accused director Angelina Jolie of "racial discrimination" and of defaming Japan, while others are calling for her to be denied entry to Japan in the future and for protests at cinemas that decide to show the film.

A petition on Change.org has attracted more than 8,000 signatures and demands that Ms Jolie – whom it describes as a "demon" – halt distribution of the film on the grounds that it is "contradictory to the facts." However, activists attempting to encourage Japan to face up to its brutal imperial past say criticising "Unbroken" is taking "denier-history to a new level".

"It is one thing to question the memories of illiterate women who were forced into sexual slavery for the Japanese military," said Mindy Kotler, director of Asia Policy Point. "It is quite another to question the memory of a white male Olympian who was a disciple of Billy Graham. "Further, there is plenty of documentation on the abuse and tortures inflicted upon POWs," she told The Telegraph. "There is also plenty of eyewitness and forensic evidence of Japanese cannibalism of prisoners as well of fellow soldiers. "With the majority of war crimes trials and much of the Tokyo War Crimes Tribunal focused on atrocities against POWs, discrediting POW testimony is an important step toward discrediting the war crimes trials," she added. "This is the objective of it all.

"It is outrageous and reprehensible to deny what happened to Louis Zamperini. "It will not be something that the US government will be able to ignore," she added. "Both the San Francisco Peace Treaty, which is predicated on acceptance of the Tokyo War Crimes Tribunal, and the honour of American veterans need to be defended."


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/japan/11280115/Japans-nationalists-attack-Angelina-Jolie-war-film.html

I can't say I care much for the way she expresses herself here:

"It is one thing to question the memories of illiterate women who were forced into sexual slavery for the Japanese military," said Mindy Kotler, director of Asia Policy Point. "It is quite another to question the memory of a white male Olympian who was a disciple of Billy Graham. "Further, there is plenty of documentation on the abuse and tortures inflicted upon POWs," she told The Telegraph. "There is also plenty of eyewitness and forensic evidence of Japanese cannibalism of prisoners as well of fellow soldiers.


But I suppose you have to admit that in terms of real politik this time the Nats are picking a fight with absolutely the wrong people as well as being full of falsehood. Can you imagine revisionist German Nationalists carrying on like this over the many films made about the Nazi Germany's behaviour? If anyone is damaging Japan it is the people who will not stop denying Imperial Japan's actions - All that hard work done to make amends and move on is being undone. And the more denials there are, the more people look to the evidence and are reminded again and again of what was done by the Japanese Imperial Army.

Just say it was intensely regrettable, many people including Japanese people suffered terribly, we are truly very sorry it happened and it won't ever happen again with us as the cause. And leave it to slowly slip away from the public consciousness. If someone decides to make a film about it, then just nod and carry on. Do not attempt to censor it or, on false premises, attack the people who made it.
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Postby Salty » Wed Dec 10, 2014 7:14 pm

So it seems that the Nationalists just don`t want the history of the war to be known. It wasn`t just POWs that were eaten, but their fellow soldiers too. I don`t know about civilians, but it wouldn`t surprise me if they too didn`t occasionally fall victim to the hunger pangs of our Emperor`s finest.
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Postby Taro Toporific » Sat Dec 13, 2014 7:57 pm

Wage Slave wrote:...in full outraged denial mode over Angelina Jolie's film Unbroken.


Angelina Jolie has chickenpox*, is 'heartbroken' to miss 'Unbroken' premiere
CNN | Sat December 13, 2014
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*As Special Envoy and Ambassador for the United Nations High Commissioner for
Refugees (UNHCR), Angelina Jolie was required to have varicella (chickenpox) vaccine
along with all other possible vaccinations for 3rd-World travel. :roll:
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Postby Tsuru » Sat Dec 13, 2014 8:33 pm

I might have missed something, but how was "The Railway Man" received in Japan?
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Postby Taro Toporific » Sat Dec 13, 2014 9:37 pm

Tsuru wrote:I might have missed something, but how was "The Railway Man" received in Japan?



"The Railway Man" must have came-n-went in less than two weeks. It sure didn't play in my IMAX.

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‘The Railway Man’
By Kaori Shoji | The Japan Times April 17, 2014
Speaking as a Japanese, “The Railway Man” is extremely difficult to sit through, as it deals with the treatment of British POWs by the Japanese Army after they took Singapore during World War II.
Actually, contemplating even a fragment of the events that unfolded in Southeast Asia during that war weighs so heavily on the brain it’s easier to just stop thinking at all. But “The Railway Man” is a story that must be told and we in turn must bear the viewing experience...more...

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Postby Coligny » Sat Dec 13, 2014 10:31 pm

Taro Toporific wrote:
*As Special Envoy and Ambassador for the United Nations High Commissioner for
Refugees (UNHCR), Angelina Jolie was required to have varicella (chickenpox) vaccine
along with all other possible vaccinations for 3rd-World travel. :roll:



Ermargerd...

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he wants us to have mind control lizzard peepul vaccinez...
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Postby Samurai_Jerk » Mon Dec 15, 2014 12:22 am

Wage Slave wrote:I can't say I care much for the way she expresses herself here:

"It is one thing to question the memories of illiterate women who were forced into sexual slavery for the Japanese military," said Mindy Kotler, director of Asia Policy Point. "It is quite another to question the memory of a white male Olympian who was a disciple of Billy Graham. "Further, there is plenty of documentation on the abuse and tortures inflicted upon POWs," she told The Telegraph. "There is also plenty of eyewitness and forensic evidence of Japanese cannibalism of prisoners as well of fellow soldiers.


That is a weird way to make her point. I suspect that we're not getting the full context.
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Postby kurogane » Mon Dec 15, 2014 2:22 am

What, that she's a racist, classist POS cunt? She should be taken out and made to comfort some IS soldiers as they seek to free the world from Western Imperialism. What a POS.

I hope the IS boys like a bit of fat stupid looking hausfrau with their 72 virgins

And here she is:

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Yeeks..........whadda cow.

PS I am thinking of emailing her the following just for shittz and giggles:

It is one thing to discount the horror and human cost of the Shoa because so many of it victims were just Yiddish speaking peasants and ghetto dwellers but it is quite another when one considers it also took the life of a few white Nordic Christians like the Danish pastor and playwright Kaj Munk.



Do you think she'll get it? I am voting no.
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Postby Salty » Tue Dec 16, 2014 1:40 am

kurogane wrote:
It is one thing to discount the horror and human cost of the Shoa because so many of it victims were just Yiddish speaking peasants and ghetto dwellers but it is quite another when one considers it also took the life of a few white Nordic Christians like the Danish pastor and playwright Kaj Munk.



Do you think she'll get it? I am voting no.


Yes indeed - I am quite sure that she would miss the point.
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Postby Takechanpoo » Tue Dec 16, 2014 8:35 pm

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these ads justify j-nationalists angers to some extent.
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Postby kurogane » Tue Dec 16, 2014 9:05 pm

That olympic ring one is pretty funny, but that is From The People that Brought You Pearl Harbor level, to be sure.

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Why do weepy white people get so nasty when they deal with Japan?? I will bet they wouldn't dream of mocking up the gate to Auschwitz in an ad related to Munich's Oktoberfest and any similarly parodic depiction of a greasy Italian soldier surrendering while begging for food and cigarettes would get those nice old men from the Italian Anti-Defamation League out in the street in their soiled tank tops and polyester pants.

Are those actual ads Takechin?

EDIT: according to a Hollyfag site I just read they might not be official posters.
http://www.awardscircuit.com/2014/07/19/check-jack-oconnells-bloody-eye-poster-unbroken/

The thing that upsets me is how much this title sounds like a ripoff of that cool Bruce Willis / Samuel L. Fishburne comic book movie from a way back. That was a cool movie.
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Postby matsuki » Wed Dec 17, 2014 12:23 am

kurogane wrote:Why do weepy white people get so nasty when they deal with Japan?? I will bet they wouldn't dream of mocking up the gate to Auschwitz in an ad related to Munich's Oktoberfest and any similarly parodic depiction of a greasy Italian soldier surrendering while begging for food and cigarettes would get those nice old men from the Italian Anti-Defamation League out in the street in their soiled tank tops and polyester pants.


Well...you don't see German nationalists/politicians denying Aushwitz and such. If the German gov. had the kinda nutjobs Japan has, I don't think their whiteyness would save them from this kind of backlash.
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Postby kurogane » Wed Dec 17, 2014 2:23 am

Yeah, but these aren't Chinese or Korean victims or governments, these are preachy middling class white finger waggers. My gut feeling is that they are too thick to not know the Japanese were no Germans, but more importantly it is one of the few legitimate avenues to be racist towards people whose culture they Love! (gush!) but whom they haven't yet forgiven their temerity for not doing as they were told. Not that any of that ilk are smart enough to realise that. I don't disagree with you, as I hope you know, but I think the reason you give is a symptom not a cause. People have been banging on about The Damn Japs since I was 5 or 6 and that was a long time before any of this new Weird LDP+ > Right body were being heard in English. Lots of Sooshee Lovers I know don't really like them as people. It's really rather weird. And I also hate international activists. They're usually just emospastic racists too stupid to know it. They're such simple minded prigs. The world would be much better off if that ilk just STFU and dealt with their own steaming piles of shit. I am not saying the movie itself shouldn't have been made, mind.

Besides, all the Germans did was kill Jews. Most white people can sort of live with that. The problem with the Japanese is that they did it to Real White People, as that lovely Thunk Tank lady quoted above pointed out. But as much as I enjoy this new unapologetic vibe I sure do wish they'd do it like adults instead of panty pissing 7 year olds. As Wage Slave wrote above (that was Beyootiful, man) they've already apologised as much as they are ever likely to, they've paid off the whiney fucks more than 5 times over anyways, so now all they need to do is to stop apologising, to turn the tables when the continentals bring it up yet again, but ferchrissakes stop apologising to the freaks and weirdos for having apologised and just let it die the sad, sordid death it should. The Treaty of San Fransisco ended the Pacific War anyways; besides, the US and Britain caused that. The continental invasion was quite different, but that has nothing to do with preachy white people indulging their unconcious bigotries.

Also, Germans can't talk about it like that because that's illegal. Japan actually has strenuously protected freedom of speech laws. In this case it's more freedumb than anything useful, but that's the way it goes.
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Postby wagyl » Wed Dec 17, 2014 8:23 am

kurogane wrote:Besides, all the Germans did was kill Jews.

Err, not quite. The Jewish people just put out the best press releases afterwards.
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Postby Yokohammer » Wed Dec 17, 2014 8:37 am

The problem with Japan's apologies is that they are so transient. At some point someone who can't bear the thought of any kind of stain on Japan's history will come along and renege ... in an official capacity even. It has happened over and and over again, so it's easy to understand that the people who are being jerked around by all this apologising and unapologising feel that no true apology has yet been given.

Make a proper apology and stick by it, that is all that is required.
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Postby Coligny » Wed Dec 17, 2014 9:08 am

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When exactly did France attack pearl harbour ?
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Postby Samurai_Jerk » Wed Dec 17, 2014 11:26 am

kurogane wrote:That olympic ring one is pretty funny, but that is From The People that Brought You Pearl Harbor level, to be sure.

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Why do weepy white people get so nasty when they deal with Japan?? I will bet they wouldn't dream of mocking up the gate to Auschwitz in an ad related to Munich's Oktoberfest and any similarly parodic depiction of a greasy Italian soldier surrendering while begging for food and cigarettes would get those nice old men from the Italian Anti-Defamation League out in the street in their soiled tank tops and polyester pants.

Are those actual ads Takechin?

EDIT: according to a Hollyfag site I just read they might not be official posters.
http://www.awardscircuit.com/2014/07/19/check-jack-oconnells-bloody-eye-poster-unbroken/

The thing that upsets me is how much this title sounds like a ripoff of that cool Bruce Willis / Samuel L. Fishburne comic book movie from a way back. That was a cool movie.


While I doubt those posters are official (especially not the second and third ones) they're referencing the fact Zamperini was an Olympian so you're Auschwitz/Oktoberfest analogy doesn't really work. However, I agree that racism against Japanese people and Asians in general seems to be more acceptable to might whiteys. I think that like Sarah Silverman said it's because people aren't afraid of them.
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Postby kurogane » Wed Dec 17, 2014 12:10 pm

Samurai_Jerk wrote:
While I doubt those posters are official (especially not the second and third ones) they're referencing the fact Zamperini was an Olympian so you're Auschwitz/Oktoberfest analogy doesn't really work. .


Aaaaah, of course. :doh: I was thinking it was a slight against the 2020s. Good work.


Samurai_Jerk wrote:
However, I agree that racism against Japanese people and Asians in general seems to be more acceptable to might whiteys. I think that like Sarah Silverman said it's because people aren't afraid of them.


You referenced my gold standard. She isn't always the funniest, but she has balls most comedians could only dream of, Dave Chappelle included. I don't know if you saw much of it in the Seattle area but the willingness Mighty Whiteys that grew up with them feel to slag any Asians and especially Japanese has always amazed me. I would say half of my childhood friends should be up on hate crime charges just to give their mollycoddled bubble bound minds a good kick. And a half of them did the Eikaiwa/WH thing. And they all love Sushi, Chow Mein and Tandoori. For some reason they like Iranians. Interesting point about the fear factor. Me likey.

Wagyl,
I was being sarcasmanistic. The Holocaust is the worst thing that ever happened. Ever. Hence my ironic reversal of the rather hyperbolic but still trenchant criticism of Mindy Kotler(that's no Mork's Mindy, nosirree bub). Too bad she phrased it so badly she gutted the whole thing. I sent her Thunked Tank blog page my little parody piece but it still hasn't appeared on the comments page.

On the other hand, The Spin has begun. http://newasiapolicypoint.blogspot.jp/

Maybe my little kick to the head had an effect after all, though true to form she doesn't actually apologise. It was all our misunderstanding apparently :rolleyes: That ain't no Mork's Mindy, nosiree.




Coligny,
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Yokohammer,
Beauifully put, and I agree. I do still maintain that a lot of the people that feel jerked around still fall into the category I am demonising (how many Angry Whiteys were actually affected?), but I certainly agree that continental Asians, whiney turds though they so often like to be, have valid objections to the flip flopping. Nice point about the psychology of it: it's The Face Thing they simply can't live with. I also think it has something to do with their inability to not see the world in hierarchical terms: Asians are lesser, so the criticisms rankle their sense of superiority and the deference thought due. A bit speculative but there it is.
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Postby matsuki » Wed Dec 17, 2014 12:23 pm

kurogane wrote:as I enjoy this new unapologetic vibe I sure do wish they'd do it like adults instead of panty pissing 7 year olds.


fair enough...overstating things just gets the nationalists all riled up to point out the minutia of the overstatements.

"That's a blatent lie, Aso-san only raped 30 Chinese, not 40!!!

kurogane wrote:Also, Germans can't talk about it like that because that's illegal. Japan actually has strenuously protected freedom of speech laws. In this case it's more freedumb than anything useful, but that's the way it goes.


With the way politics/elections "work" in this cuntry, I'm not so sure free speech is what I'd call protected.
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Postby kurogane » Wed Dec 17, 2014 12:40 pm

chokonen888 wrote:
"That's a blatent lie, Aso-san only raped 30 Chinese, not 40!!! Your charges are baseless because you have misstated the exact number of victims!!!!!


That dismissive quibbling absolutely infuriates my Inner Spock (who isn't even supposed to get angry, I know). FTR, in my professional MYHOMO it is a full on cultural thing, though not universal and usually male. Maybe the other academicals can comment too, but it absolutely appalled me to see how common that sort of tactic is used to Utterly Refute an opposing argument on a topic as benign as kinship patterns in highland Japan, never mind one about war crimes. The type that resort to that actually seem mentally incapable of realising that a slight mistake in actual numbers does not negate the entire argument. Anthropologically it fascinates me. It is as though they are actually incapable of a commensurate logic or rationality. Any mistake in detail completely washes out the entire argument. And as that old saying goes never attribute to malice what is better explained by stupidity, in this case a culturally validated form of it. Japanese scholars that would agree with you and me can have a terrible time of it until they get enough authority to tell everyone to FO.

As for free speech, I say let anyone say anything and deal with the results, but the past few years have certainly been trying. Like I said, the price of freedom is often freedumb.
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Postby matsuki » Wed Dec 17, 2014 2:29 pm

Shut up Kuro! If you were Japanese, you'd understand!! hahahahahhaha
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Postby kurogane » Wed Dec 17, 2014 2:46 pm

A fair point. I had quite forgotten about that wild card.................. :rolleyes:

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Postby Samurai_Jerk » Sun Apr 26, 2015 3:10 pm

Japan's views of WWII history rankles some US veterans

Lester Tenney endured three years as a Japanese prisoner during World War II, but he has made peace with his former enemy. Yet as Japanese Prime Minister Shinzo Abe prepares to address Congress on Wednesday, in the 70th anniversary year of the war's end, something rankles Tenney about Japan's attitude toward its past.

"They don't want the young people to know what really happened," complains Tenney, now 94.

The Associated Press spoke to three U.S. war veterans about their surrender in the Philippines in 1942 and their exploitation as slave laborers in Japan. It's an episode of history most notorious for the Bataan Death March, when tens of thousands of Filipino and American POWs were forced 65 miles on foot to prison camps. Thousands are believed to have perished.

The AP also asked the veterans for opinions about Japan today. Japan issued a formal apology to American POWs in 2009 and again in 2010, and has paid for some veterans to travel to Japan, leaving them with a more positive view of the Japanese people.

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Tenney, with the Army's 192nd Tank Battalion, said he was made to march for eight days after his capture.

"You had to stand on your own two feet and you had to keep moving. If you fell down, you died. If you had to go to the bathroom, you died. If you had a malaria attack, you died. The Japanese would just kill you, period. You had to stay on your feet. ... If you looked at a Japanese soldier in the wrong way, he would beat the hell out of you."

After a 28-day journey by ship to Japan, Tenney worked at a coal mine near the town of Omuta run by the Mitsui Mining Co., shoveling coal 12 hours a day for three years.

He said British, Australian and Indonesian prisoners also worked there and they had no protective gear, and they would injure themselves intentionally to get days off. His weight dropped from 189 pounds to 97 pounds. He said Mitsui has never responded to his letters calling for an apology.

(Mitsui & Co., which was disbanded after the war and then re-established as a major industrial group, denies having any legal or historical responsibility for Mitsui Mining Co.'s treatment of forced laborers before or during the war. It says therefore it cannot comment on complaints or requests for apologies.)

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Harold Bergbower, 94, was a private with the Air Force's 28th Bomb Squadron when he was captured on the southern Philippine island of Mindanao and sent eventually to Davao penal colony.

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Bergbower spent two years in brutal labor, scooping ore into open furnaces at a steel mill in the city of Toyama.

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His view of Japan changed when he went on a friendship visit in 2011 and returned to the factory where he'd been enslaved. Staff there apologized "from the heart" for what the POWs had been through. "I came away with a much different impression of Japan. We couldn't have been treated any better."

Bergbower, who lives near Phoenix, said he has forgiven the people of Japan, but not the government.

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Darrell Stark, 93, was a new recruit of the Army's 31st Infantry Regiment when he was captured and eventually shipped to Yokkaichi, where he was forced to shovel coal at a copper mill.

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He went to Japan on a friendship visit last October, and the current deputy director of the mill clasped his hand and apologized.
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Postby matsuki » Mon Apr 27, 2015 8:43 am

Samurai_Jerk wrote:Japan's views of WWII history rankles some US veterans

Lester Tenney endured three years as a Japanese prisoner during World War II, but he has made peace with his former enemy. Yet as Japanese Prime Minister Shinzo Abe prepares to address Congress on Wednesday, in the 70th anniversary year of the war's end, something rankles Tenney about Japan's attitude toward its past.

"They don't want the young people to know what really happened," complains Tenney, now 94.

The Associated Press spoke to three U.S. war veterans about their surrender in the Philippines in 1942 and their exploitation as slave laborers in Japan. It's an episode of history most notorious for the Bataan Death March, when tens of thousands of Filipino and American POWs were forced 65 miles on foot to prison camps. Thousands are believed to have perished.


Gloss over and ignore the not so shiny parts of history...great plan :roll:

BTW, 65 miles is brutal....but how about 300?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Long_Walk_of_the_Navajo
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Re: We Japanese Have Been Defamed! POW Atrocities Never Happ

Postby Takechanpoo » Mon Apr 27, 2015 11:21 am

its just because of food shortage(unbelievably there is no logistics in the system of empire japan military :shock: ). so the supervising japanese soldiers starved to death in the same way, too.
the roads itself they followed are ordinary ones, not like dangerously rugged mountain paths.
so-called bataan death march is one of exaggerated ones to propaganda j-"evilness".
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Re: We Japanese Have Been Defamed! POW Atrocities Never Happ

Postby Wage Slave » Mon Apr 27, 2015 12:01 pm

Takechanpoo wrote:its just because of food shortage(unbelievably there is no logistics in the system of empire japan military :shock: ). so the supervising japanese soldiers starved to death in the same way, too.


Sometimes they did. True. Routinely they had to take food by force, without payment, from the locals which didn't endear to say the least. Nor were they resupplied with ammunition, instead having to rely on captured stores for resupply. The British Army in Burma finally realised that in any battle with the Imperial Japanese Army if you could hold out for three weeks you had them beat because they would start to run out of food and bullets. That's when the tide turned.

They also died from cholera, dysentery and the other diseases that were wilfully allowed to spread through the prisoner population. And wounded or sick Japanese soldiers sometimes had even less access to medical care than the prisoners. ie zero.

the roads itself they followed are ordinary ones, not like dangerously rugged mountain paths.
so-called bataan death march is one of exaggerated ones to propaganda j-"evilness".


With all that and much more on the record quibbling over which roads were used in Bataan is utterly irrelevant. It's the body count, stupid. The Imperial Japanese Army was evil. It had no respect for human life, even the lives of Japanese civilians, whatsoever and on the contrary glorified both death and killing for the sake of killing.
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Re: We Japanese Have Been Defamed! POW Atrocities Never Happ

Postby Takechanpoo » Mon Apr 27, 2015 12:31 pm

Sometimes they did

nah, 70-80% of death toll of j-soldiers is for starving.
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Re: We Japanese Have Been Defamed! POW Atrocities Never Happ

Postby Wage Slave » Mon Apr 27, 2015 12:47 pm

Takechanpoo wrote:
Sometimes they did

nah, 70-80% of death toll of j-soldiers is for starving.


Link?
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Re: We Japanese Have Been Defamed! POW Atrocities Never Happ

Postby Takechanpoo » Tue Apr 28, 2015 12:47 am

wrong.
its 60
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Re: We Japanese Have Been Defamed! POW Atrocities Never Happ

Postby Coligny » Tue Apr 28, 2015 1:44 am

i give you 65, last offer...
Marion Marechal nous voila !

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